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From: "Marin David Condic" <dont.bother.mcondic.auntie.spam@[acm.org>
Subject: Re: why not "standardize" the Booch Components?  (was Re: is Ada dying?)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:47:46 -0400
Date: 2001-10-12T13:47:49+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9q6sa5$41u$1@nh.pace.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: slrn9sdbi9.k4.lutz@taranis.iks-jena.de

People regularly use the standard function libraries supplied with C. They
also regularly use the standard libraries provided by Ada. I think there
might be a different perception of a library that comes along with most/all
compilers versus one that is downloaded off the net.

People might presume that something that comes with the compiler is of
better quality and more likely to be portable. You get some library off the
net and you don't know if it will work with all compilers in all
environments and you might wonder about its reliability and quality. One
might also start presuming that a library distributed with a compiler is
something they can call their vendor and complain about and get something
done to fix it. Downloading it from some website free of charge might lead
people to assume they are on their own and no bug fixes will ever come
unless they do it themselves.

(Side bar: How many times have we seen posts from Ada newbies talking about
C/C++ ways of doing things and ultimately they are presuming that some
function they are used to using is part of the language? It may only be a
function that came with one specific compiler or maybe an OS call, but they
*think* it is a standard C/C++ feature. Our arguing against that ignorance
may be noble, but it might be better to simply work with it. If a number of
vendors provided some common component library with their distributions,
you'd have folks going "No. Look. In Ada I can do XYZ and in your language
you can't!!!")

It isn't right or fair - its just the way things are. Compilers may come
with crappy libraries and Netware might be rock-solid, but it is a matter of
perception. And as an old friend of mine was fond of saying "Perception *is*
Reality!"

MDC
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Marin David Condic
Senior Software Engineer
Pace Micro Technology Americas    www.pacemicro.com
Enabling the digital revolution
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"Lutz Donnerhacke" <lutz@iks-jena.de> wrote in message
news:slrn9sdbi9.k4.lutz@taranis.iks-jena.de...
>
> This is correct only if your apply a pure rational view. Unfortunly
serveral
> programmers can't sleep when using a forein - not standard - library.
> Including myself.





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Thread overview: 315+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-07 19:31 is Ada dying? Ralph M�ritz
2001-10-07 19:42 ` martin.m.dowie
2001-10-07 21:03   ` robert
2001-10-08 16:42     ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-08 17:33     ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-09  8:02       ` Reinert Korsnes
2001-10-08  8:56   ` John McCabe
2001-10-08 21:53     ` martin.m.dowie
2001-10-09  8:13       ` John McCabe
2001-10-09  9:12         ` Martin Dowie
2001-10-09 10:39           ` John McCabe
2001-10-09 11:48             ` Martin Dowie
2001-10-09 12:58             ` Peter Amey
2001-10-09 14:51         ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-10  8:08           ` John McCabe
2001-10-09 13:12       ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-09 14:40     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-10  8:13       ` John McCabe
2001-10-10 17:45         ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-11  8:38           ` John McCabe
2001-10-07 20:09 ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-07 20:56   ` Ralph M�ritz
2001-10-08 23:49   ` Poul-Erik Andreasen
2001-10-09  8:19     ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-09 13:38     ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-09 14:50       ` Robert*
2001-10-09 16:05         ` James Rogers
2001-10-09 20:30         ` Al Christians
2001-10-09 20:32           ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-10 17:04           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-10-10 17:02         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-10-10 19:14           ` Robert*
2001-10-07 20:09 ` David Botton
2001-10-08  0:46   ` Richard Riehle
2001-10-08  1:23     ` David Botton
2001-10-08  4:02       ` Robert*
2001-10-08  4:49         ` James Rogers
2001-10-08  5:42           ` Navid Azimi
2001-10-08  6:11             ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-08 16:49               ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-08  9:26             ` John English
2001-10-08 14:37             ` James Rogers
2001-10-08 17:05             ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-08  6:09           ` Robert*
2001-10-08 15:35             ` James Rogers
2001-10-08 17:02               ` Robert*
2001-10-08 18:06                 ` Martin Dowie
2001-10-08 18:44                   ` Robert*
2001-10-09  3:42                   ` minyard
2001-10-12 14:21                     ` martin.m.dowie
2001-10-13 17:18                       ` Richard Riehle
2001-10-08 18:17                 ` James Rogers
2001-10-08 18:42                   ` David Starner
2001-10-11  9:22                     ` AG
2001-10-08 19:22                 ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-09  3:11                   ` Robert*
2001-10-09  4:28                     ` tmoran
2001-10-09  4:54                       ` Robert*
2001-10-09  6:23                         ` tmoran
2001-10-09 19:44                     ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-09 20:41                       ` James Rogers
2001-10-08 19:55                 ` Dalen Kruse
2001-10-09  3:33                   ` Robert*
2001-10-09 10:41                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-09 15:21                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-09 16:12                         ` translations [OT] Wes Groleau
2001-10-09 11:01                 ` is Ada dying? Florian Weimer
2001-10-09 12:40                 ` John English
2001-10-09 14:38                   ` Robert*
2001-10-09 16:22                     ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-10  9:09                     ` John English
2001-10-10  9:16                     ` John English
2001-10-08  8:44           ` Robert*
2001-10-09  4:49             ` Navid Azimi
2001-10-09  9:44             ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-09 10:00               ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-09 10:06                 ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-08  8:59         ` is Ada dying?(Perhaps a CPAN network is in order?) McDoobie
2001-10-07 20:49 ` is Ada dying? Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-08  9:30   ` John English
2001-10-08  0:19 ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-08  5:45 ` Michael Bode
2001-10-09  2:45   ` James Rogers
2001-10-09  5:33     ` Michael Bode
2001-10-09 15:49     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-09 16:23       ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-28  8:25     ` Hyman Rosen
2001-10-28  9:53       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-28 17:20         ` Brian Rogoff
2001-10-29 16:36       ` Tony Gair
2001-10-09 14:10   ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-09 15:14     ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-09 15:32       ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-08  6:40 ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-08  7:38 ` Robert*
2001-10-08  9:31   ` John McCabe
2001-10-08 20:25     ` Richard Riehle
2001-10-09  8:18       ` John McCabe
2001-10-09 15:10         ` Gary Scott
2001-10-10  8:15           ` John McCabe
2001-10-18  1:37             ` Gary Scott
2001-10-18 13:16               ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-18 16:01                 ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-18 17:54                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-18 19:06                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-19  0:00                 ` Gary Scott
2001-10-10  5:03         ` Richard Riehle
2001-10-10  8:25           ` John McCabe
2001-10-10 17:41             ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-11  8:42               ` John McCabe
2001-10-10 13:38           ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11  8:41             ` John McCabe
2001-10-11 13:53               ` Ada on the 1750a (was Re: is Ada dying?) Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 16:21                 ` John McCabe
2001-10-08 17:16   ` is Ada dying? Ted Dennison
2001-10-08 14:59 ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-08 15:02 ` Robert Dewar
2001-10-08 18:11   ` David Starner
2001-10-09 14:42     ` Vincent Marciante
2001-10-08 17:25 ` chris.danx
2001-10-08 19:57   ` Gary Scott
2001-10-08 20:56     ` chris.danx
2001-10-09 15:06       ` Gary Scott
2001-10-09 14:15   ` John English
2001-10-09 17:22     ` chris.danx
2001-10-09 21:42     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-09 22:49     ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-11 12:11       ` webwarrior
2001-10-13 10:36         ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-15  8:21           ` John McCabe
2001-10-15 10:24             ` Robert*
2001-10-15 16:10               ` John McCabe
2001-10-15 20:03                 ` Robert*
2001-10-15 22:05                   ` minyard
2001-10-15 22:16                     ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-16  2:01                       ` minyard
2001-10-16 12:53                   ` John McCabe
2001-10-15 19:43               ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-15 20:07                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-17 15:05               ` Israel Raj T
2001-10-17 16:50                 ` John McCabe
2001-10-17 17:50                   ` Brian Rogoff
2001-10-17 19:40                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-17 20:31                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 12:29       ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Pat Rogers
2001-10-11 13:23         ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 16:14           ` minyard
2001-10-11 18:10             ` Marc A. Criley
2001-10-11 19:37             ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-01 17:24             ` Harri J Haataja
2001-12-04 10:18               ` Harri J Haataja
2001-10-11 20:34           ` Simon Wright
2001-10-12 13:44             ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-13  7:04               ` Simon Wright
2001-10-15 13:43                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 14:14         ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 14:46           ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 14:37             ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-11 15:39               ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 15:24                 ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-11 18:55                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 15:04             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 15:27               ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 14:46           ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Pat Rogers
2001-10-11 15:30             ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 20:52             ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Simon Wright
2001-10-11 15:26           ` Robert*
2001-10-11 16:02             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 15:56               ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-11 17:50                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 18:59                   ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 19:20                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12  0:10                       ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Pat Rogers
2001-10-12 13:18                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12 13:51                           ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-12 13:55                           ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-12 14:04                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12 13:50                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 20:43             ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Simon Wright
2001-10-11 18:59           ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-11 19:33             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 20:52               ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-11 21:32                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12  1:05                   ` mitch
2001-10-12 13:28                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12 14:15                       ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-12 13:39                   ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Simon Wright
2001-10-12 12:11                 ` Marc A. Criley
2001-10-12 13:30                 ` Simon Wright
2001-10-11 20:40           ` Simon Wright
2001-10-11 21:42             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 17:30         ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-11 18:44           ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12  8:30             ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-12  8:41               ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-12  8:48                 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-12 13:47                   ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2001-10-12 14:09                 ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-12 16:50                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-12 18:35                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-13  2:57                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-15 13:47                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16 14:44                         ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-16 15:13                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-16 16:14                             ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-16 16:53                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-16 16:57                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-27 18:51                               ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-29 15:24                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-30  5:49                                   ` Barry Kelly
2001-10-30 15:35                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-30 17:09                                       ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-30 17:41                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-30 18:27                                       ` Darren New
2001-10-30 19:25                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-30 21:44                                           ` Darren New
2001-10-30 23:08                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-31  5:30                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2001-10-31 14:03                                                 ` David Botton
2001-10-31 15:51                                                   ` Matthew Heaney
2001-10-31 16:37                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-31 18:56                                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-01 15:22                                                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-01 16:13                                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-01 16:35                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 17:40                                                             ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-11 19:50                                                               ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-12 17:07                                                                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-12 19:02                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-13  2:42                                                                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-13 14:15                                                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-02  5:21                                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2001-11-01  6:07                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2001-11-01 15:09                                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-11 19:47                                                 ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-31 18:09                                               ` Darren New
2001-10-31 18:27                                                 ` Matthew Heaney
2001-10-31 19:37                                                   ` Darren New
2001-10-31 21:29                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 19:26                                                       ` Darren New
2001-11-01 19:55                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 22:15                                                           ` Larry Hazel
2001-11-01 22:30                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-02 15:34                                                               ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-01 15:37                                                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-01 16:56                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 18:12                                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-01 18:26                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 20:08                                                           ` Darren New
2001-11-01 21:33                                                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-01 22:08                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 22:31                                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-02 15:05                                                       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-11-01  7:23                                                 ` Mark Biggar
2001-11-01 15:08                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 16:18                                                     ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-01 17:15                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 19:06                                                         ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-01 19:29                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 21:40                                                             ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-02  5:27                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2001-11-01 19:31                                                         ` Darren New
2001-11-01 20:11                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 20:15                                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-01 15:09                                                   ` Matthew Heaney
2001-10-30 15:07                                   ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-30 15:43                                     ` Questions - Polimorphism/Dynamic Binding Eric Merritt
2001-10-30 16:28                                       ` David Botton
2001-10-30 17:02                                         ` Eric Merritt
2001-10-30 22:28                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2001-10-30 23:04                                         ` Eric Merritt
2001-10-31  2:16                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2001-10-31 15:46                                             ` Eric Merritt
2001-10-31 16:26                                               ` Matthew Heaney
2001-10-31 16:50                                                 ` Eric Merritt
2001-10-30 15:55                                     ` why not Marin David Condic
2001-11-11 20:00                                     ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-01 17:45                                   ` Jeffrey Carter
     [not found]                                   ` <jbfstt097fvrrqmrl0kuscmbl57n <3BE18A23.BC921FA9@boeing.com>
2001-11-01 18:23                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-11 20:02                                       ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-12 15:53                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-12 19:27                                           ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-01 21:42                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-01 19:58                                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-11-01 20:16                                     ` Eric Merritt
2001-11-01 20:07                                   ` Jeffrey Carter
     [not found]                                   ` <jbfstt097fvrrqmrl0kuscmbl57nOrganization: LJK Software <wxjM7LDNji1I@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-11-01 20:19                                     ` Marin David Condic
     [not found]                                   ` <jbfstt097fvrrqmrl0kuscmbl57n <tu0i54ndv2q94d@corp.supernews.com>
2001-11-02  7:31                                     ` Simon Wright
2001-11-02 15:12                                       ` Matthew Heaney
     [not found]                                   ` <jbfstt097fvrrqmrl0kuscmbl57n <PMdE7.8703$xS6.11455@www.newsranger.com>
2001-11-02  7:40                                     ` Simon Wright
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2001-11-02  7:46                                     ` Simon Wright
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2001-11-02  7:59                                     ` Simon Wright
2001-11-02 15:39                                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-02 18:58                                         ` Darren New
2001-10-16 16:01                           ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16 19:25                             ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-16 20:19                               ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16 17:10                         ` Jeffrey Carter
     [not found]                         ` <us <3BCC69F1.49E8A65@boeing.com>
2001-10-16 19:27                           ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-17  2:19                             ` Jeffrey Carter
     [not found]                         ` <us <9qhoti$d5f$1@nh.pace.co.uk>
2001-10-18 20:04                           ` Simon Wright
2001-10-18 20:56                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-19 11:52                               ` Simon Wright
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2001-10-31  6:52                           ` Simon Wright
2001-11-02 15:20                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-28  7:58                     ` Hyman Rosen
2001-10-13  7:28                   ` Simon Wright
2001-10-12 13:33               ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Marin David Condic
2001-10-12 13:53               ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-12 13:34             ` Simon Wright
2001-10-12 13:32           ` Simon Wright
2001-10-08 21:34 ` is Ada dying? Ehud Lamm
2001-10-11  4:27 ` David Brown
2001-10-11 16:52   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-10-12 14:20     ` Ted Dennison
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