From: "Navid Azimi" <nazimiga@uci.edu>
Subject: Re: is Ada dying?
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 22:42:01 -0700
Date: 2001-10-07T22:42:01-07:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <9prebb$1on$1@news.service.uci.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3BC1305D.1C6910C@worldnet.att.net
James,
Robert is right in many aspects. Ada is *much* more difficult to learn
(resources/information/etc) than Java. I have done both recently and I found
the amount of help available (may it be newsgroups/faq/websites) for Java is
much more than Ada.
Now if Ada was able to pull everything together into one big central
site/package it would help a lot of people, not to mention people who are
trying to learn Ada.
I tried to learn Ada a few months ago, and I couldn't even get a straight
answer to what type of compiler exists. Not one person would give me a right
answer, and to this day, I still don't know.
I found a compiler on the www.adapower.com but it was soo poorly documented
I had no clue how to run it. I couldn't find any examples of quick programs
(hello world) to see how the syntax was, nor was I able to do anything
friendly with it.
I didn't need a huge-tutorial. I know how to program. I just wanted some
quick points about how to compile/run, how the code (syntax) looks like, and
the few *basic* commands, such as: output, loops, functions. Yet, it was soo
tedious that I have given up. I still am on this newsgroup regulargly
because I enjoy reading Qs and As...
- K
PS. Maybe someone can even help me with my probs =)
"James Rogers" <jimmaureenrogers@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:3BC1305D.1C6910C@worldnet.att.net...
> "Robert*@" wrote:
> >
> >
> > Ada as a language is good. Better than C/C++ or Java.
> >
> > What Ada needs is a standard or at least a psudo-standard set of
> > auxilary packages that come well documented (HTML) and ready to plug in
> > and use (similar to that Java huge standard library).
> >
> > Untill this happens, Ada will remain a good language, few admirars,
little
> > used and nothing more.
> >
> > I am taking about packages for doing all sort of usefull pratical
things,
> > like those found in Java packages.
>
> I love the standard Java API classes. They are poorly documented.
> Their algorithms are completely undocumented. You only hope they do
> what you think they will. No worrys though. If a class is found to
> be dangerous it can always be deprecated in a later release.
>
> > ACT has been doing a good job of Adding usefull packages to its GNAT
> > package, but it is still very much too little compared to what Java has,
> > and with no way to for others to help add to it.
> >
> > With Ada, the case now is that if you want a package to do something,
you
> > go and do some search on the web, find some bits and pieces of code,
download,
> > try to build, and see if that will work or not. With Java, I download
the
> > JDK, and everything is there. Well documented, and ready to use.
> >
> > Having a central single place to get things from is a Good Thing (tm).
Examples
> > of such things
> >
> > http://www.sunfreeware.com/ <--- Want any solaris package? go here
> > http://java.sun.com <--- Want the JDK? go here
> > http://www.gnu.org/software/java/ <--- Want the GNU java collection? go
here
> > http://www.gjt.org/ <--- want the Giant Java tree collection? go here
> >
> > etc..
>
> Wait a minute while I count my fingers and toes. It looks to me like
> this is a list of more than one place to find everything. Am I
> missing something here?
>
> This looks a lot like finding the Ada package you want. You still
> need to know the single right place to go amongst what appears to be
> an abundance of single right places.
>
> > Anyway, my point is that, Ada needs such a centalized, single place, to
get
> > standard usefull packages from.
>
> Given what you describe above, I would say that Ada already has that.
>
> It also has a standard, which Java does not. Most of the Java stuff
> is in a single place because the language belongs to one company.
> Java is whatever Sun says it is. Given the changes in the language
> from Java 1.0 to Java 1.1 to JDK 1.2 to JSDK 1.3 to the almost
> released JSE 1.4, I wonder which language you use when you say you
> use Java. Don't forget that you need standard patches to do some of
> the more useful stuff. For instance, you must patch the JSE 1.3
> with JSEE 1.3 to be able to use Enterprise Java Bean technology.
> This means that your client's Java Runtime Environment must
> have the compatible libraries also. A big part of your Java system
> is shipped to your customers as the Java Runtime Environment.
> This presents you with serious compatibility and upgrade issues.
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2001-10-07 19:31 is Ada dying? Ralph M�ritz
2001-10-07 19:42 ` martin.m.dowie
2001-10-07 21:03 ` robert
2001-10-08 16:42 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-08 17:33 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-09 8:02 ` Reinert Korsnes
2001-10-08 8:56 ` John McCabe
2001-10-08 21:53 ` martin.m.dowie
2001-10-09 8:13 ` John McCabe
2001-10-09 9:12 ` Martin Dowie
2001-10-09 10:39 ` John McCabe
2001-10-09 11:48 ` Martin Dowie
2001-10-09 12:58 ` Peter Amey
2001-10-09 14:51 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-10 8:08 ` John McCabe
2001-10-09 13:12 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-09 14:40 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-10 8:13 ` John McCabe
2001-10-10 17:45 ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-11 8:38 ` John McCabe
2001-10-07 20:09 ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-07 20:56 ` Ralph M�ritz
2001-10-08 23:49 ` Poul-Erik Andreasen
2001-10-09 8:19 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-09 13:38 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-09 14:50 ` Robert*
2001-10-09 16:05 ` James Rogers
2001-10-09 20:30 ` Al Christians
2001-10-09 20:32 ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-10 17:04 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-10-10 17:02 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-10-10 19:14 ` Robert*
2001-10-07 20:09 ` David Botton
2001-10-08 0:46 ` Richard Riehle
2001-10-08 1:23 ` David Botton
2001-10-08 4:02 ` Robert*
2001-10-08 4:49 ` James Rogers
2001-10-08 5:42 ` Navid Azimi [this message]
2001-10-08 6:11 ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-08 16:49 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-08 9:26 ` John English
2001-10-08 14:37 ` James Rogers
2001-10-08 17:05 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-08 6:09 ` Robert*
2001-10-08 15:35 ` James Rogers
2001-10-08 17:02 ` Robert*
2001-10-08 18:06 ` Martin Dowie
2001-10-08 18:44 ` Robert*
2001-10-09 3:42 ` minyard
2001-10-12 14:21 ` martin.m.dowie
2001-10-13 17:18 ` Richard Riehle
2001-10-08 18:17 ` James Rogers
2001-10-08 18:42 ` David Starner
2001-10-11 9:22 ` AG
2001-10-08 19:22 ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-09 3:11 ` Robert*
2001-10-09 4:28 ` tmoran
2001-10-09 4:54 ` Robert*
2001-10-09 6:23 ` tmoran
2001-10-09 19:44 ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-09 20:41 ` James Rogers
2001-10-08 19:55 ` Dalen Kruse
2001-10-09 3:33 ` Robert*
2001-10-09 10:41 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-09 15:21 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-09 16:12 ` translations [OT] Wes Groleau
2001-10-09 11:01 ` is Ada dying? Florian Weimer
2001-10-09 12:40 ` John English
2001-10-09 14:38 ` Robert*
2001-10-09 16:22 ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-10 9:09 ` John English
2001-10-10 9:16 ` John English
2001-10-08 8:44 ` Robert*
2001-10-09 4:49 ` Navid Azimi
2001-10-09 9:44 ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-09 10:00 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-09 10:06 ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-08 8:59 ` is Ada dying?(Perhaps a CPAN network is in order?) McDoobie
2001-10-07 20:49 ` is Ada dying? Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-08 9:30 ` John English
2001-10-08 0:19 ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-08 5:45 ` Michael Bode
2001-10-09 2:45 ` James Rogers
2001-10-09 5:33 ` Michael Bode
2001-10-09 15:49 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-09 16:23 ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-28 8:25 ` Hyman Rosen
2001-10-28 9:53 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-28 17:20 ` Brian Rogoff
2001-10-29 16:36 ` Tony Gair
2001-10-09 14:10 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-09 15:14 ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-09 15:32 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-08 6:40 ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-08 7:38 ` Robert*
2001-10-08 9:31 ` John McCabe
2001-10-08 20:25 ` Richard Riehle
2001-10-09 8:18 ` John McCabe
2001-10-09 15:10 ` Gary Scott
2001-10-10 8:15 ` John McCabe
2001-10-18 1:37 ` Gary Scott
2001-10-18 13:16 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-18 16:01 ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-18 17:54 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-18 19:06 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-19 0:00 ` Gary Scott
2001-10-10 5:03 ` Richard Riehle
2001-10-10 8:25 ` John McCabe
2001-10-10 17:41 ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-11 8:42 ` John McCabe
2001-10-10 13:38 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 8:41 ` John McCabe
2001-10-11 13:53 ` Ada on the 1750a (was Re: is Ada dying?) Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 16:21 ` John McCabe
2001-10-08 17:16 ` is Ada dying? Ted Dennison
2001-10-08 14:59 ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-08 15:02 ` Robert Dewar
2001-10-08 18:11 ` David Starner
2001-10-09 14:42 ` Vincent Marciante
2001-10-08 17:25 ` chris.danx
2001-10-08 19:57 ` Gary Scott
2001-10-08 20:56 ` chris.danx
2001-10-09 15:06 ` Gary Scott
2001-10-09 14:15 ` John English
2001-10-09 17:22 ` chris.danx
2001-10-09 21:42 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-09 22:49 ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-11 12:11 ` webwarrior
2001-10-13 10:36 ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-15 8:21 ` John McCabe
2001-10-15 10:24 ` Robert*
2001-10-15 16:10 ` John McCabe
2001-10-15 20:03 ` Robert*
2001-10-15 22:05 ` minyard
2001-10-15 22:16 ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-16 2:01 ` minyard
2001-10-16 12:53 ` John McCabe
2001-10-15 19:43 ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-15 20:07 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-17 15:05 ` Israel Raj T
2001-10-17 16:50 ` John McCabe
2001-10-17 17:50 ` Brian Rogoff
2001-10-17 19:40 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-17 20:31 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 12:29 ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Pat Rogers
2001-10-11 13:23 ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 16:14 ` minyard
2001-10-11 18:10 ` Marc A. Criley
2001-10-11 19:37 ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-01 17:24 ` Harri J Haataja
2001-12-04 10:18 ` Harri J Haataja
2001-10-11 20:34 ` Simon Wright
2001-10-12 13:44 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-13 7:04 ` Simon Wright
2001-10-15 13:43 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 14:14 ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 14:46 ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 14:37 ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-11 15:39 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 15:24 ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-11 18:55 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 15:04 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 15:27 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 14:46 ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Pat Rogers
2001-10-11 15:30 ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 20:52 ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Simon Wright
2001-10-11 15:26 ` Robert*
2001-10-11 16:02 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 15:56 ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-11 17:50 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 18:59 ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 19:20 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12 0:10 ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Pat Rogers
2001-10-12 13:18 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12 13:51 ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-12 13:55 ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-12 14:04 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12 13:50 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 20:43 ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Simon Wright
2001-10-11 18:59 ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-11 19:33 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 20:52 ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-11 21:32 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12 1:05 ` mitch
2001-10-12 13:28 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12 14:15 ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-12 13:39 ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Simon Wright
2001-10-12 12:11 ` Marc A. Criley
2001-10-12 13:30 ` Simon Wright
2001-10-11 20:40 ` Simon Wright
2001-10-11 21:42 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 17:30 ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-11 18:44 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12 8:30 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-12 8:41 ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-12 8:48 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-12 13:47 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12 14:09 ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-12 16:50 ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-12 18:35 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-13 2:57 ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-15 13:47 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16 14:44 ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-16 15:13 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-16 16:14 ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-16 16:53 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-16 16:57 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-27 18:51 ` Pat Rogers
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2001-10-30 5:49 ` Barry Kelly
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2001-10-30 17:09 ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-30 17:41 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-30 18:27 ` Darren New
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2001-10-30 21:44 ` Darren New
2001-10-30 23:08 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-31 5:30 ` Hyman Rosen
2001-10-31 14:03 ` David Botton
2001-10-31 15:51 ` Matthew Heaney
2001-10-31 16:37 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-31 18:56 ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-01 15:22 ` Ted Dennison
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2001-11-01 16:35 ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 17:40 ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-11 19:50 ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-12 17:07 ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-12 19:02 ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-13 2:42 ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-13 14:15 ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-02 5:21 ` Hyman Rosen
2001-11-01 6:07 ` Hyman Rosen
2001-11-01 15:09 ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-11 19:47 ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-31 18:09 ` Darren New
2001-10-31 18:27 ` Matthew Heaney
2001-10-31 19:37 ` Darren New
2001-10-31 21:29 ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 19:26 ` Darren New
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2001-11-01 22:15 ` Larry Hazel
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2001-11-02 15:34 ` Ted Dennison
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