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From: "Marin David Condic" <dont.bother.mcondic.auntie.spam@[acm.org>
Subject: WAY OFF TOPIC was: Re: Ada and the NMD
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 17:31:08 -0400
Date: 2001-09-06T21:31:09+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9n8put$67u$1@nh.pace.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: rPQl7.6990$4z.30964@www.newsranger.com

If there is clear and convincing evidence that X is a problem and the public
believes that Y is a practical solution to the problem, you'll see political
action. Despite what people may choose to believe and/or advocate, there is
no overwhelming, clear, convincing evidence that the earth is in imminent
danger of destruction because of CO2, global warming, global cooling or
whatever the latest "threat" is. (Remember that for an extremely large
number of species on this planet, CO2 is a *good* thing - hence expect them
to flourish.) Even accepting that there is some real threat here, it is not
at all clear that any or all of the solutions proposed by various advocates
are going to be practical and effective. Hence, you get what we've got -
political ambivalence.

What disturbs me about the whole debate is that you'll have "Liberal"
scientists and "Conservative" scientists arguing positions as to what action
to take based on their political ideology - which makes a mockery of
science. The very notion of "Liberal" or "Conservative" scientists
eliminates the science from it. Too many people start from the result they
want and then go collecting data to support getting what they want and that
is not "science". Too often the general public swollows up propoganda
masquerading as "science" and have not even bothered to question the
accuracy of the pronouncements or even question that it might in fact be
propoganda. How many people ever ask: "Are there dissenting opinions?" How
many people ever say: "I ought to read some of those dissenting opinions to
see if maybe they have any merit." And of that subset, how many people read
the dissenting opinions with an open mind rather than just gathering
material on which to base their rhetoric?

 The whole global warming/cooling thing is being clouded by advocacy. At
best an honest scientist would have to conclude that the data itself is
questionable and hence does not at this time support any conclusions about
the current state of affairs and does not support the conclusion that there
is a real and imminent threat at hand. Hence, "science" is not in a position
to make any firm recommendations about the course of action whole nations
should embark on.

Does this mean we should all go about happily adding more and more pollution
to the world? Of course not. Nobody wants to live in an open sewer. At the
other extreme, should we, for example, go about outlawing the existence and
use of any internal combustion engine? That would have devastating economic
and social impact in the process of addressing a yet to be demonstrated
problem and would undoubtedly result in unintended consequences. (It may
only shift the pollution problem in some other direction that may be even
worse than what you've got now.) So I'd suggest that the question should be
studied scientifically - without advocacy - and in the mean time take
reasonable steps to reduce whatever pollution we are creating. We certainly
aren't all going to be dead in 10 years unless we take drastic actions
immediately. (Remember all those horrific ecological disaster predictions
from back in the 60's/70's that claimed we'd all be dead by the year 2000?
Welllllll....... :-)

MDC
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Marin David Condic
Senior Software Engineer
Pace Micro Technology Americas    www.pacemicro.com
Enabling the digital revolution
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"Ted Dennison" <dennison@telepath.com> wrote in message
news:rPQl7.6990$4z.30964@www.newsranger.com...
>
> Quite true. You won't really find much coherent come out of the US
government
> unless the US people themselves are fairly unified on the subject (which
for the
> subject at hand, they certainly are not). As a former speaker of our House
of
> Representatives was fond of saying, "all politics is local".
>






  reply	other threads:[~2001-09-06 21:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-09-06  4:53 Ada and the NMD Al Christians
2001-09-06 10:27 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-09-06 11:55   ` Florian Weimer
2001-09-06 18:03     ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-09-07 19:31       ` Florian Weimer
2001-09-06 11:13 ` Preben Randhol
2001-09-06 13:57   ` Ted Dennison
2001-09-06 15:11     ` Preben Randhol
2001-09-06 15:27       ` James Rogers
2001-09-06 16:25         ` Off Topic: NMD/Environment was: (Re: Ada and the NMD) Marin David Condic
2001-09-06 17:57           ` chris.danx
2001-09-06 18:52             ` Darren New
2001-09-06 19:35               ` chris.danx
2001-09-06 20:01                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-09-06 21:43               ` Preben Randhol
2001-09-06 21:46                 ` Darren New
2001-09-06 22:13                   ` Preben Randhol
2001-09-07  0:28                     ` Jeff Creem
2001-09-07  8:42                       ` Preben Randhol
2001-09-07  1:27                     ` James Rogers
2001-09-07  8:56                       ` Preben Randhol
2001-09-07 13:43                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-09-07 16:10                       ` James Rogers
2001-09-10 14:57                         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-09-07 13:45                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-09-07 16:06                     ` Darren New
2001-09-08  1:59                       ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-09-10 14:48                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-09-10 15:15                       ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-09-08 16:35                     ` Larry Elmore
2001-09-10 14:35                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-09-10 23:01                         ` Larry Elmore
2001-09-07 13:38                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-09-06 18:56             ` Ted Dennison
2001-09-08  0:38               ` Larry Elmore
2001-09-06 17:59         ` Ada and the NMD Ted Dennison
2001-09-06 19:39           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-09-06 20:15             ` Ted Dennison
2001-09-06 21:31               ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2001-09-07 14:12                 ` WAY OFF TOPIC was: " Ted Dennison
2001-09-07 16:25                 ` Robert Dewar
2001-09-06 20:34           ` James Rogers
2001-09-06 21:02             ` OT: US Green politics (was: Ada and the NMD) Ted Dennison
2001-09-07  2:06               ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
2001-09-07 13:59                 ` Off Topic " Marin David Condic
2001-09-07 16:19             ` Ada and the NMD Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-09-10 14:53               ` Ted Dennison
2001-09-06 22:04           ` Preben Randhol
2001-09-07 14:29             ` Ted Dennison
2001-09-08  0:54             ` Larry Elmore
2001-09-06 17:21       ` Dale Pennington
2001-09-06 21:54         ` Preben Randhol
2001-09-10  5:51         ` Richard Riehle
2001-09-10 20:57           ` David Bolen
2001-09-10 21:31             ` Ted Dennison
2001-09-10 21:36             ` Steve Howard
2001-09-06 17:31       ` Ted Dennison
2001-09-09 11:53         ` Stefan Skoglund
2001-09-06 12:27 ` Marc A. Criley
2001-09-06 16:34 ` William Dale
2001-09-06 19:20 ` Ada in air/missile defense systems (was: Ada and NMD) Michael P. Card
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