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From: "Marin David Condic" <dont.bother.mcondic.auntie.spam@[acm.org>
Subject: Re: Proving Correctness (was Java Portability)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:29:17 -0400
Date: 2001-08-13T13:29:18+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9l8kne$72r$1@nh.pace.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3B75C020.E00D149C@home.com

Well, a sane company might *try* to sell something on those terms (pay me
everything now and I'll give you a product later and/or pay me the full
development cost plus profit). However I doubt that ery many sane
*customers* would go for it.

Its not that these sort of arrangements don't ever happen. Note that the
giovernment often engages in exactly this sort of arrangement (Well, maybe
with progress payments rather than up front, but the risk is minimal to the
company. As long as they deliver on time, they get paid - often cost plus,
but not as much as it used to be.) The reason is quite simple: The
government is often buying products where a) the technology is totally
unproven, b) the usage is limited to some very small application domain, c)
they aren't going to let you sell the product anywhere else. The contractor
is in effect in an impossible risk position if the government doesn't fund
the development cost.

There may be times when there are similar situations in the private sector.
(unproven technology, limited usage, proprietary capabilities). You may see
some companies funding a development under these conditions. However, it is
a lot more rare than most developments and as I've pointed out elsewhere,
the customer is in a position to apply a lot of leverage on the suplier and
is not likely to give up the end result without some good and valuable
consideration.

MDC
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Marin David Condic
Senior Software Engineer
Pace Micro Technology Americas    www.pacemicro.com
Enabling the digital revolution
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"Larry Elmore" <ljelmore@home.com> wrote in message
news:3B75C020.E00D149C@home.com...
> >
> > IOW: You go build it - if I like it and find it worth the price you
charge,
> > I buy it. It isn't usually done in the other order - unless you're the
> > government! :-)
>
> I don't think any halfway sane company would even attempt to sell
> anything on those terms (full payment up-front, before anything is
> provided), but I'm sure a lot of custom software is developed with
> partial payments paid upon achievement of intermediate goals, and even
> with some money paid up-front. Certainly a lot of construction jobs are
> done that way.
>






  reply	other threads:[~2001-08-13 13:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 198+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-07-20 16:50 An Ada IDE and discussions Beard, Frank
2001-07-20 19:19 ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-23  8:26 ` nicolas
2001-07-23  8:53   ` Java portability (was: An Ada IDE and discussions) Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-23  9:32     ` Gerhard Häring
2001-07-23 11:26       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-24 18:59         ` Florian Weimer
2001-07-25  8:40           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-25 10:23             ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
2001-07-25 20:50             ` Florian Weimer
2001-07-26  8:07               ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-23  9:48     ` nicolas
2001-07-23 11:23       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-23 12:07         ` nicolas
2001-07-23 13:57           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-23 16:55             ` Marc A. Criley
2001-07-24  9:26               ` nicolas
2001-07-24 12:19                 ` Marc A. Criley
2001-07-24 13:10                   ` nicolas
2001-07-24 20:30                     ` Marc A. Criley
2001-07-25  7:56                       ` nicolas
2001-07-26 13:20                         ` Java portability Georg Bauhaus
2001-07-26 15:13                           ` nicolas
2001-07-27  9:52                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-07-27 10:22                               ` nicolas
2001-07-27 14:17                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-27 16:44                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-27 17:13                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-27 20:09                                       ` Stefan Skoglund
2001-07-27 20:12                                       ` Straight Jackets Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-30  8:12                                     ` Java portability nicolas
2001-07-31  4:40                                       ` Proving Correctness (was Java Portability) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-31  8:12                                         ` nicolas
2001-07-31 13:13                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-31 14:40                                             ` nicolas
2001-08-02  9:52                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-02 10:45                                                 ` nicolas
2001-08-02 13:30                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-02 14:30                                                   ` nicolas
2001-08-02 15:49                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-02 18:57                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-02 20:27                                                     ` Wes Groleau
2001-08-05  2:40                                             ` rob
2001-08-05 10:15                                               ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-02  8:44                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-02 10:02                                             ` nicolas
2001-08-02 13:26                                               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-08-02 14:18                                                 ` nicolas
2001-08-02 21:46                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-03  8:12                                                 ` nicolas
2001-08-03 13:18                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-03 13:59                                                     ` nicolas
2001-08-03 13:51                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-03 14:54                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-03 15:16                                                       ` nicolas
2001-08-03 17:10                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-06  8:52                                                           ` nicolas
2001-08-06  9:39                                                             ` Mike
2001-08-06 11:37                                                               ` nicolas
2001-08-06 13:24                                                                 ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-06 14:30                                                                   ` nicolas
2001-08-06 15:38                                                                     ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-06 16:45                                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2001-08-07  0:14                                                                       ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-07  7:18                                                                         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-08-07 17:43                                                                           ` Stephen Leake
2001-08-07 18:07                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 10:15                                                                             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-08-07  8:06                                                                         ` nicolas
2001-08-07 10:33                                                                           ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-07 11:12                                                                             ` nicolas
2001-08-07  8:44                                                                       ` nicolas
2001-08-07 22:12                                                                         ` Larry Elmore
2001-08-07 22:54                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08  7:45                                                                             ` nicolas
2001-08-11 23:17                                                                             ` Larry Elmore
2001-08-13 13:29                                                                               ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2001-08-08  8:01                                                                           ` nicolas
2001-08-11 23:49                                                                             ` Larry Elmore
2001-08-13 13:51                                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 10:22                                                                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-08-08 13:46                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 14:25                                                                               ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-08-08 15:28                                                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 18:03                                                                                   ` tmoran
2001-08-09 12:29                                                                                   ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-08-09 16:21                                                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-09  7:12                                                                               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-08-11 23:57                                                                             ` Larry Elmore
2001-08-06 14:43                                                                   ` nicolas
2001-08-06 15:37                                                                     ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-06 15:45                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-07  7:20                                                                     ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-08-06 23:14                                                                   ` The pace of change (was Proving Correctness (was Java Portability)) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-08-09 17:44                                                                   ` Proving Correctness (was Java Portability) Stefan Skoglund
2001-08-06 15:41                                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-06 13:14                                                             ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-06 14:16                                                               ` nicolas
2001-08-06 15:45                                                                 ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-06 16:14                                                                   ` nicolas
2001-08-06 16:41                                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2001-08-07  8:11                                                                       ` nicolas
2001-08-07 10:47                                                                         ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-07 11:31                                                                           ` nicolas
2001-08-07 11:50                                                                           ` nicolas
2001-08-07 14:08                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-07 19:19                                                                             ` David Starner
2001-08-07 20:56                                                                               ` tmoran
2001-08-07 22:32                                                                                 ` Ed Falis
2001-08-09 21:20                                                                                   ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-07 22:31                                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08  5:24                                                                                 ` David Starner
2001-08-08 14:34                                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 18:03                                                                                     ` tmoran
2001-08-09  4:31                                                                                     ` David Starner
2001-08-09 20:56                                                                                       ` David Starner
2001-08-09 21:00                                                                                         ` David Starner
2001-08-08 12:17                                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-08 14:54                                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 19:20                                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-08 19:49                                                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-09 12:31                                                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-09 17:34                                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-10  4:29                                                                                       ` Simon Wright
2001-08-13 14:09                                                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-13 14:26                                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-14 11:58                                                                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-13 19:38                                                                                           ` Simon Wright
2001-08-07 20:56                                                                             ` Florian Weimer
2001-08-07 22:43                                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-09-05 15:33                                                                             ` Ted Dennison
2001-08-06 16:37                                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2001-08-06 17:44                                                                   ` tmoran
2001-08-07  8:31                                                                   ` nicolas
2001-08-07  9:06                                                                     ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-08-07  9:20                                                                       ` nicolas
2001-08-07 10:01                                                                         ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-08-07 10:29                                                                           ` nicolas
2001-08-07 10:54                                                                             ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-08-07 11:28                                                                               ` nicolas
2001-08-07 23:02                                                                             ` Larry Elmore
2001-08-08  8:37                                                                               ` nicolas
2001-08-12  0:22                                                                                 ` Larry Elmore
2001-08-07 21:52                                                                           ` Ada Components " Lao Xiao Hai
2001-08-08 17:09                                                                             ` Brian Rogoff
2001-08-08 10:50                                                                         ` More Uniform Ada libraries (was: Proving Correctness) Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                                                         ` <y%Ob7.737$ep5.11352@news1.okOrganization: LJK Software <0TDoe8bALz3g@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-08-08 12:03                                                                           ` nicolas
2001-08-08 12:11                                                                         ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                                                         ` <y%Ob7.737$ep5.11352@news1.okOrganization: LJK Software <uiGL0WHzXluf@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-08-08 13:03                                                                           ` nicolas
2001-08-08 15:05                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 15:51                                                                               ` nicolas
2001-08-08 18:03                                                                                 ` tmoran
2001-08-08 19:16                                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 21:36                                                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2001-08-09  7:47                                                                                   ` nicolas
2001-08-10 15:44                                                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2001-09-04  4:32                                                                                     ` brentcarnellis
2001-09-04  4:36                                                                                       ` Ed Falis
2001-09-05  0:01                                                                                       ` Jeff Creem
2001-09-05  4:13                                                                                         ` brentcarnellis
2001-09-05 13:13                                                                                           ` Samuel T. Harris
2001-09-06  5:08                                                                                             ` brentcarnellis
2001-09-06 13:29                                                                                               ` Samuel T. Harris
2001-09-07  3:56                                                                                                 ` brentcarnellis
2001-09-07 12:45                                                                                                   ` Samuel T. Harris
2001-08-07 12:09                                                                     ` Proving Correctness (was Java Portability) Larry Kilgallen
2001-08-06 16:12                                                               ` Darren New
2001-08-07 12:12                                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-07 12:26                                                               ` nicolas
2001-08-07 12:37                                                               ` nicolas
     [not found]                                                         ` <9kelv1$riq$ <3B72CC18.F07195D1@ebox.tninet.se>
2001-08-12  6:34                                                           ` Simon Wright
2001-08-04  4:14                                                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-08-03 13:43                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-03 14:15                                                   ` nicolas
2001-08-04 22:31                                                     ` AG
2001-08-06  8:19                                                       ` nicolas
2001-08-06 15:56                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-03 16:02                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-03 15:25                                               ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                               ` <9Organization: LJK Software <pLczjM8J5xm3@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-08-03 15:27                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-01 18:49                                     ` Java portability John Doe
2001-08-02  4:38                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-27 19:44                                   ` Stefan Skoglund
2001-07-27 20:43                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-28  1:04                         ` Java portability (was: An Ada IDE and discussions) Lao Xiao Hai
2001-07-28 21:45                           ` Stefan Skoglund
2001-07-26 13:19                     ` Java portability Georg Bauhaus
2001-07-26 15:07                       ` nicolas
2001-07-27  9:36                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-07-27  9:56                           ` nicolas
2001-07-27 13:06                             ` Georg Bauhaus
     [not found]                         ` <9jrcmm$mc0$1@aOrganization: LJK Software <Yjoj5DGkwoqg@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-07-27 11:43                           ` nicolas
2001-07-27 12:02                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-08-02  2:43                       ` Robert Dewar
2001-08-02 13:18                         ` Marc A. Criley
2001-08-02  8:03                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-07-30 20:00                   ` Java portability (was: An Ada IDE and discussions) Dave Adlam
2001-07-24  2:54 ` An Ada IDE and discussions Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
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