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From: Ted Dennison<dennison@telepath.com>
Subject: Re: RISC
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:19:49 GMT
Date: 2001-03-16T22:19:49+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9kws6.218$94.1074@www.newsranger.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 98to0v$6d2$1@nh.pace.co.uk

In article <98to0v$6d2$1@nh.pace.co.uk>, Marin David Condic says...
>
>Yes - this would be *very* nice! There are often in data streams things of
>uncertain quantity which become very hard to represent in the usual Ada
>structures. You get things like "This16 bit word will tell you how many
>doohickies will follow...." and it will be surrounded by fixed data. It
>doesn't map well to records - but maybe some other structure could be
>created to handle it. Typically, you'll end up "rolling-your-own" by
>building some kind of dynamic data structure to hold these things. You
>construct the data structure as you read the data in. Not that hard to do,
>but it would be *really* nice to describe one of these things at a high
>level and just have all that done for you by the compiler.

ASN.1 had a lot of this type of stuff. Take the standard "length octet" for
instance (...please!). Bit 8 selects between "short form" and "long form". In
"short form" the other 7 bits indicate the length of the contents. In "long
form", the other 7 bits indicate how many of the following bytes are used to
determinte the length of the rest of the contents. (Remember, no problem can't
be solved by another level of indirection...) However, if bit 8 is on and the
rest of the bits are off, then it indicates that we are using "indefinite form",
where two terminator octets at the end of the contents determine the length.

A week of wrestling with this kind of stuff several years ago was enough to
convince me that there are always going to be some formats that just cannot be
nicely handled at a high-level with something like a rep clause.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-03-16 22:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-03-14 20:23 RISC chris.danx
2001-03-14 21:57 ` RISC Tucker Taft
2001-03-14 22:36   ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-14 23:03     ` RISC Fraser Wilson
2001-03-15  1:30       ` RISC Corey Ashford
2001-03-15  9:19       ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-15 12:37 ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-15 13:03   ` RISC Tarjei T. Jensen
2001-03-15 18:29     ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-15 14:40   ` RISC Ted Dennison
2001-03-15 14:49     ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-15 17:37       ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-15 18:28         ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-15 19:16           ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-16  8:44             ` RISC Martin Dowie
2001-03-16 14:40               ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-20 10:17                 ` RISC Martin Dowie
2001-03-20 14:34                   ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-20 15:45                     ` RISC Ted Dennison
2001-03-20 16:39                       ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-20 18:10                       ` RISC Martin Dowie
2001-03-20 18:56                         ` RISC Ted Dennison
2001-03-22  9:16                       ` RISC - largish (code listed) Martin Dowie
2001-03-22  9:34                         ` Martin Dowie
2001-03-20 18:09                     ` RISC Martin Dowie
2001-03-20 20:00                       ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-20 22:30                         ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-20 22:48                           ` RISC Ted Dennison
2001-03-20 23:10                           ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-21  0:18                             ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-21 14:31                               ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-21 16:47                                 ` RISC Ted Dennison
2001-03-21 17:36                                   ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-16 15:09             ` RISC Tucker Taft
2001-03-16 17:10               ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-16 19:02                 ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-16 20:58                   ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-19 16:17                     ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-19 16:45                       ` RISC Florian Weimer
2001-03-19 17:14                         ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-19 17:33                           ` RISC Florian Weimer
2001-03-21  5:57                           ` RISC Lao Xiao Hai
2001-03-16 22:19                   ` Ted Dennison [this message]
2001-03-16 19:13                 ` RISC Laurent Guerby
2001-03-16 20:30                   ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-16 20:51                 ` RISC Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-03-16 18:33               ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-16 20:45                 ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-17  1:13                   ` RISC Randy Brukardt
2001-03-19 16:34                   ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-19 17:49                     ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-16 20:08 ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-16 20:31   ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-17 21:51     ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-18  6:37       ` RISC Charles Hixson
2001-03-19 15:42         ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-19 17:02         ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-19 17:45           ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-19 18:48             ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-19 16:45       ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-16 22:27 ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-17  2:49   ` RISC Jeffrey Carter
2001-03-19  9:43   ` RISC Martin Dowie
2001-03-19 11:06     ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-28 22:24     ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-29  0:52       ` RISC Corey Ashford
2001-03-29 12:42       ` RISC John English
2001-03-22 20:11 ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-22 20:51   ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-22 21:02   ` RISC tmoran
2001-03-22 21:18     ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-22 21:45   ` RISC Britt Snodgrass
2001-03-22 22:43     ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-28 11:37   ` RISC chris.danx
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-03-16 23:25 RISC Beard, Frank
2001-03-17 11:39 ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-29  3:12 RISC Beard, Frank
2001-03-29  7:28 ` RISC Martin Dowie
2001-03-29 12:38 ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-29 19:07 ` RISC Chad R. Meiners
2001-03-29 17:52 RISC Beard, Frank
2001-03-30 17:31 RISC Kent Paul Dolan
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