From: "Marin David Condic" <dont.bother.mcondic.auntie.spam@[acm.org>
Subject: Re: Proving Correctness (was Java Portability)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:54:53 -0400
Date: 2001-08-07T22:54:57+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <9kprk1$pof$1@nh.pace.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3B706ADC.B4847AC3@home.com
"Larry Elmore" <ljelmore@home.com> wrote in message
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> nicolas wrote:
>
> > You don't pay to build the factory, the company invest a lot, and can
count
> > on an income only if the result is good.
>
> You _don't_??!! _WHO DOES_, then, if not the customer?
>
Eventually, the customer pays. But that's a lot different than asking the
customer to fund the development cost up-front. That's what the venture
capitalist or entrepeneur is supposed to do.
I think you are misinterpreting the intention here. I believe the point was
about asking the customer to just simply pay some cost-plus development
money in order to get a library. That is definitely not the same sort of
thing as eventually paying off a business's asset acquisition by repeated
sales of a product.
IOW: You go build it - if I like it and find it worth the price you charge,
I buy it. It isn't usually done in the other order - unless you're the
government! :-)
> > I'd really like to see you in a TV store :-)
> > "Stephen, give me money now, I'm going to develop a great TV set, build
a
> > factory, and I promise you will have a great TV set within a few years
..."
>
> Duh... What do you think investors do every day? How in the world do you
> think the vast majority of companies got started in the first place?
> Government mandate, or magic?
>
A bit unfair. An investor is not the same thing as a customer.
--
Marin David Condic
Senior Software Engineer
Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com
Enabling the digital revolution
e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com
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2001-07-20 16:50 An Ada IDE and discussions Beard, Frank
2001-07-20 19:19 ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-23 8:26 ` nicolas
2001-07-23 8:53 ` Java portability (was: An Ada IDE and discussions) Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-23 9:32 ` Gerhard Häring
2001-07-23 11:26 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-24 18:59 ` Florian Weimer
2001-07-25 8:40 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-25 10:23 ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
2001-07-25 20:50 ` Florian Weimer
2001-07-26 8:07 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-23 9:48 ` nicolas
2001-07-23 11:23 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-23 12:07 ` nicolas
2001-07-23 13:57 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-23 16:55 ` Marc A. Criley
2001-07-24 9:26 ` nicolas
2001-07-24 12:19 ` Marc A. Criley
2001-07-24 13:10 ` nicolas
2001-07-24 20:30 ` Marc A. Criley
2001-07-25 7:56 ` nicolas
2001-07-26 13:20 ` Java portability Georg Bauhaus
2001-07-26 15:13 ` nicolas
2001-07-27 9:52 ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-07-27 10:22 ` nicolas
2001-07-27 14:17 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-27 16:44 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-27 17:13 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-27 20:09 ` Stefan Skoglund
2001-07-27 20:12 ` Straight Jackets Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-30 8:12 ` Java portability nicolas
2001-07-31 4:40 ` Proving Correctness (was Java Portability) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-31 8:12 ` nicolas
2001-07-31 13:13 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-31 14:40 ` nicolas
2001-08-02 9:52 ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-02 10:45 ` nicolas
2001-08-02 13:30 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-02 14:30 ` nicolas
2001-08-02 15:49 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-02 18:57 ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-02 20:27 ` Wes Groleau
2001-08-05 2:40 ` rob
2001-08-05 10:15 ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-02 8:44 ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-02 10:02 ` nicolas
2001-08-02 13:26 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-08-02 14:18 ` nicolas
2001-08-02 21:46 ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-03 8:12 ` nicolas
2001-08-03 13:18 ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-03 13:59 ` nicolas
2001-08-03 13:51 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-03 14:54 ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-03 15:16 ` nicolas
2001-08-03 17:10 ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-06 8:52 ` nicolas
2001-08-06 9:39 ` Mike
2001-08-06 11:37 ` nicolas
2001-08-06 13:24 ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-06 14:30 ` nicolas
2001-08-06 15:38 ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-06 16:45 ` Stephen Leake
2001-08-07 0:14 ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-07 7:18 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-08-07 17:43 ` Stephen Leake
2001-08-07 18:07 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 10:15 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-08-07 8:06 ` nicolas
2001-08-07 10:33 ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-07 11:12 ` nicolas
2001-08-07 8:44 ` nicolas
2001-08-07 22:12 ` Larry Elmore
2001-08-07 22:54 ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2001-08-08 7:45 ` nicolas
2001-08-11 23:17 ` Larry Elmore
2001-08-13 13:29 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 8:01 ` nicolas
2001-08-11 23:49 ` Larry Elmore
2001-08-13 13:51 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 10:22 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-08-08 13:46 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 14:25 ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-08-08 15:28 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 18:03 ` tmoran
2001-08-09 12:29 ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-08-09 16:21 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-09 7:12 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-08-11 23:57 ` Larry Elmore
2001-08-06 14:43 ` nicolas
2001-08-06 15:37 ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-06 15:45 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-07 7:20 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-08-06 23:14 ` The pace of change (was Proving Correctness (was Java Portability)) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-08-09 17:44 ` Proving Correctness (was Java Portability) Stefan Skoglund
2001-08-06 15:41 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-06 13:14 ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-06 14:16 ` nicolas
2001-08-06 15:45 ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-06 16:14 ` nicolas
2001-08-06 16:41 ` Stephen Leake
2001-08-07 8:11 ` nicolas
2001-08-07 10:47 ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-07 11:31 ` nicolas
2001-08-07 11:50 ` nicolas
2001-08-07 14:08 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-07 19:19 ` David Starner
2001-08-07 20:56 ` tmoran
2001-08-07 22:32 ` Ed Falis
2001-08-09 21:20 ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-07 22:31 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 5:24 ` David Starner
2001-08-08 14:34 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 18:03 ` tmoran
2001-08-09 4:31 ` David Starner
2001-08-09 20:56 ` David Starner
2001-08-09 21:00 ` David Starner
2001-08-08 12:17 ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-08 14:54 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 19:20 ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-08 19:49 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-09 12:31 ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-09 17:34 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-10 4:29 ` Simon Wright
2001-08-13 14:09 ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-13 14:26 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-14 11:58 ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-13 19:38 ` Simon Wright
2001-08-07 20:56 ` Florian Weimer
2001-08-07 22:43 ` Marin David Condic
2001-09-05 15:33 ` Ted Dennison
2001-08-06 16:37 ` Stephen Leake
2001-08-06 17:44 ` tmoran
2001-08-07 8:31 ` nicolas
2001-08-07 9:06 ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-08-07 9:20 ` nicolas
2001-08-07 10:01 ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-08-07 10:29 ` nicolas
2001-08-07 10:54 ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-08-07 11:28 ` nicolas
2001-08-07 23:02 ` Larry Elmore
2001-08-08 8:37 ` nicolas
2001-08-12 0:22 ` Larry Elmore
2001-08-07 21:52 ` Ada Components " Lao Xiao Hai
2001-08-08 17:09 ` Brian Rogoff
2001-08-08 10:50 ` More Uniform Ada libraries (was: Proving Correctness) Larry Kilgallen
[not found] ` <y%Ob7.737$ep5.11352@news1.okOrganization: LJK Software <0TDoe8bALz3g@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-08-08 12:03 ` nicolas
2001-08-08 12:11 ` Larry Kilgallen
[not found] ` <y%Ob7.737$ep5.11352@news1.okOrganization: LJK Software <uiGL0WHzXluf@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-08-08 13:03 ` nicolas
2001-08-08 15:05 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 15:51 ` nicolas
2001-08-08 18:03 ` tmoran
2001-08-08 19:16 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 21:36 ` Stephen Leake
2001-08-09 7:47 ` nicolas
2001-08-10 15:44 ` Stephen Leake
2001-09-04 4:32 ` brentcarnellis
2001-09-04 4:36 ` Ed Falis
2001-09-05 0:01 ` Jeff Creem
2001-09-05 4:13 ` brentcarnellis
2001-09-05 13:13 ` Samuel T. Harris
2001-09-06 5:08 ` brentcarnellis
2001-09-06 13:29 ` Samuel T. Harris
2001-09-07 3:56 ` brentcarnellis
2001-09-07 12:45 ` Samuel T. Harris
2001-08-07 12:09 ` Proving Correctness (was Java Portability) Larry Kilgallen
2001-08-06 16:12 ` Darren New
2001-08-07 12:12 ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-07 12:26 ` nicolas
2001-08-07 12:37 ` nicolas
[not found] ` <9kelv1$riq$ <3B72CC18.F07195D1@ebox.tninet.se>
2001-08-12 6:34 ` Simon Wright
2001-08-04 4:14 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-08-03 13:43 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-03 14:15 ` nicolas
2001-08-04 22:31 ` AG
2001-08-06 8:19 ` nicolas
2001-08-06 15:56 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-03 16:02 ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-03 15:25 ` Larry Kilgallen
[not found] ` <9Organization: LJK Software <pLczjM8J5xm3@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-08-03 15:27 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-01 18:49 ` Java portability John Doe
2001-08-02 4:38 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-27 19:44 ` Stefan Skoglund
2001-07-27 20:43 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-28 1:04 ` Java portability (was: An Ada IDE and discussions) Lao Xiao Hai
2001-07-28 21:45 ` Stefan Skoglund
2001-07-26 13:19 ` Java portability Georg Bauhaus
2001-07-26 15:07 ` nicolas
2001-07-27 9:36 ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-07-27 9:56 ` nicolas
2001-07-27 13:06 ` Georg Bauhaus
[not found] ` <9jrcmm$mc0$1@aOrganization: LJK Software <Yjoj5DGkwoqg@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-07-27 11:43 ` nicolas
2001-07-27 12:02 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-08-02 2:43 ` Robert Dewar
2001-08-02 13:18 ` Marc A. Criley
2001-08-02 8:03 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-07-30 20:00 ` Java portability (was: An Ada IDE and discussions) Dave Adlam
2001-07-24 2:54 ` An Ada IDE and discussions Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
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