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From: "Marin David Condic" <marin.condic.auntie.spam@pacemicro.com>
Subject: Re: Java portability
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 16:43:10 -0400
Date: 2001-07-27T20:43:13+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9jsjp1$cbn$1@nh.pace.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3B61C4AF.5B5F4694@ebox.tninet.se

Well, for that matter, when you go buy a Freightliner Tractor, you can buy
it without an engine & get one of your own choosing put in there. Or you
could buy an F-15 Eagle and choose to put a GE engine (The Bad Guys) or a
Pratt & Whitney engine (The Good Guys) in it - but they never came "factory
equipped" with one or the other as the default. This is the point where the
analogy breaks down ;-)

The point being that in the days when language vendors are supplying big
class libraries, GUI builders, debuggers, IDEs that do more than edit files,
etc. it is going to be hard for Ada to compete unless the same sort of
things are available. Saying "Well you can download X from
http://whozits.com/ and Y from http://whatchamacallit.org/ and Z from
http://somebodyorother.net/ and go compile it yourself and maybe with a few
thousand lines of glue software and a few hundred hours of tinkering you can
kind of have an 'integrated' environment - and oh, by the way, when you get
done with all that code, please be good enough to put it under the GPL and
send it to us so we can package it with our stuff and go sell it to someone
else..." - its not quite the same thing to the buyer as "Here's your 'B-'
compiler with everything you need or want to build apps on platform
Whatever. Where's my check for $29.95?" For a niche language with a bunch of
enthusiastic hobbyists, hackers & students, maybe the former is "Good
Enough" - but then that's where Ada is going to stay.

MDC
--
Marin David Condic
Senior Software Engineer
Pace Micro Technology Americas    www.pacemicro.com
Enabling the digital revolution
e-Mail:    marin.condic@pacemicro.com
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"Stefan Skoglund" <stetson@ebox.tninet.se> wrote in message
news:3B61C4AF.5B5F4694@ebox.tninet.se...
> Marin David Condic wrote:
> > along the lines of "luxury" items in a car since Ada provides all the
> > essentials that any programming language needs to provide. (No missing
seats
>
> When Ada is the Rolls-royce company of old.
> You could buy your rolls ready-made from the factory
> or with no carriage/seats but technically complete
> and then commission your local horse-wagoon manufacturer.
>
> It exist a number of rolls here in Sweden with Stockholm-made
> carriage.





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Thread overview: 198+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-07-20 16:50 An Ada IDE and discussions Beard, Frank
2001-07-20 19:19 ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-23  8:26 ` nicolas
2001-07-23  8:53   ` Java portability (was: An Ada IDE and discussions) Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-23  9:32     ` Gerhard Häring
2001-07-23 11:26       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-24 18:59         ` Florian Weimer
2001-07-25  8:40           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-25 10:23             ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
2001-07-25 20:50             ` Florian Weimer
2001-07-26  8:07               ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-23  9:48     ` nicolas
2001-07-23 11:23       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-23 12:07         ` nicolas
2001-07-23 13:57           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-23 16:55             ` Marc A. Criley
2001-07-24  9:26               ` nicolas
2001-07-24 12:19                 ` Marc A. Criley
2001-07-24 13:10                   ` nicolas
2001-07-24 20:30                     ` Marc A. Criley
2001-07-25  7:56                       ` nicolas
2001-07-26 13:20                         ` Java portability Georg Bauhaus
2001-07-26 15:13                           ` nicolas
2001-07-27  9:52                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-07-27 10:22                               ` nicolas
2001-07-27 14:17                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-27 16:44                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-27 17:13                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-27 20:09                                       ` Stefan Skoglund
2001-07-27 20:12                                       ` Straight Jackets Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-30  8:12                                     ` Java portability nicolas
2001-07-31  4:40                                       ` Proving Correctness (was Java Portability) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-31  8:12                                         ` nicolas
2001-07-31 13:13                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-31 14:40                                             ` nicolas
2001-08-02  9:52                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-02 10:45                                                 ` nicolas
2001-08-02 13:30                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-02 14:30                                                   ` nicolas
2001-08-02 15:49                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-02 18:57                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-02 20:27                                                     ` Wes Groleau
2001-08-05  2:40                                             ` rob
2001-08-05 10:15                                               ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-02  8:44                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-02 10:02                                             ` nicolas
2001-08-02 13:26                                               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-08-02 14:18                                                 ` nicolas
2001-08-02 21:46                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-03  8:12                                                 ` nicolas
2001-08-03 13:18                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-03 13:59                                                     ` nicolas
2001-08-03 13:51                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-03 14:54                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-03 15:16                                                       ` nicolas
2001-08-03 17:10                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-06  8:52                                                           ` nicolas
2001-08-06  9:39                                                             ` Mike
2001-08-06 11:37                                                               ` nicolas
2001-08-06 13:24                                                                 ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-06 14:30                                                                   ` nicolas
2001-08-06 15:38                                                                     ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-06 16:45                                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2001-08-07  0:14                                                                       ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-07  7:18                                                                         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-08-07 17:43                                                                           ` Stephen Leake
2001-08-07 18:07                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 10:15                                                                             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-08-07  8:06                                                                         ` nicolas
2001-08-07 10:33                                                                           ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-07 11:12                                                                             ` nicolas
2001-08-07  8:44                                                                       ` nicolas
2001-08-07 22:12                                                                         ` Larry Elmore
2001-08-07 22:54                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08  7:45                                                                             ` nicolas
2001-08-11 23:17                                                                             ` Larry Elmore
2001-08-13 13:29                                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08  8:01                                                                           ` nicolas
2001-08-11 23:49                                                                             ` Larry Elmore
2001-08-13 13:51                                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 10:22                                                                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-08-08 13:46                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 14:25                                                                               ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-08-08 15:28                                                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 18:03                                                                                   ` tmoran
2001-08-09 12:29                                                                                   ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-08-09 16:21                                                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-09  7:12                                                                               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-08-11 23:57                                                                             ` Larry Elmore
2001-08-06 14:43                                                                   ` nicolas
2001-08-06 15:37                                                                     ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-06 15:45                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-07  7:20                                                                     ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-08-06 23:14                                                                   ` The pace of change (was Proving Correctness (was Java Portability)) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-08-09 17:44                                                                   ` Proving Correctness (was Java Portability) Stefan Skoglund
2001-08-06 15:41                                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-06 13:14                                                             ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-06 14:16                                                               ` nicolas
2001-08-06 15:45                                                                 ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-06 16:14                                                                   ` nicolas
2001-08-06 16:41                                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2001-08-07  8:11                                                                       ` nicolas
2001-08-07 10:47                                                                         ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-07 11:31                                                                           ` nicolas
2001-08-07 11:50                                                                           ` nicolas
2001-08-07 14:08                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-07 19:19                                                                             ` David Starner
2001-08-07 20:56                                                                               ` tmoran
2001-08-07 22:32                                                                                 ` Ed Falis
2001-08-09 21:20                                                                                   ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-07 22:31                                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08  5:24                                                                                 ` David Starner
2001-08-08 14:34                                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 18:03                                                                                     ` tmoran
2001-08-09  4:31                                                                                     ` David Starner
2001-08-09 20:56                                                                                       ` David Starner
2001-08-09 21:00                                                                                         ` David Starner
2001-08-08 12:17                                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-08 14:54                                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 19:20                                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-08 19:49                                                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-09 12:31                                                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-09 17:34                                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-10  4:29                                                                                       ` Simon Wright
2001-08-13 14:09                                                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-13 14:26                                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-14 11:58                                                                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-13 19:38                                                                                           ` Simon Wright
2001-08-07 20:56                                                                             ` Florian Weimer
2001-08-07 22:43                                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-09-05 15:33                                                                             ` Ted Dennison
2001-08-06 16:37                                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2001-08-06 17:44                                                                   ` tmoran
2001-08-07  8:31                                                                   ` nicolas
2001-08-07  9:06                                                                     ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-08-07  9:20                                                                       ` nicolas
2001-08-07 10:01                                                                         ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-08-07 10:29                                                                           ` nicolas
2001-08-07 10:54                                                                             ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-08-07 11:28                                                                               ` nicolas
2001-08-07 23:02                                                                             ` Larry Elmore
2001-08-08  8:37                                                                               ` nicolas
2001-08-12  0:22                                                                                 ` Larry Elmore
2001-08-07 21:52                                                                           ` Ada Components " Lao Xiao Hai
2001-08-08 17:09                                                                             ` Brian Rogoff
2001-08-08 10:50                                                                         ` More Uniform Ada libraries (was: Proving Correctness) Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                                                         ` <y%Ob7.737$ep5.11352@news1.okOrganization: LJK Software <0TDoe8bALz3g@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-08-08 12:03                                                                           ` nicolas
2001-08-08 12:11                                                                         ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                                                         ` <y%Ob7.737$ep5.11352@news1.okOrganization: LJK Software <uiGL0WHzXluf@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-08-08 13:03                                                                           ` nicolas
2001-08-08 15:05                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 15:51                                                                               ` nicolas
2001-08-08 18:03                                                                                 ` tmoran
2001-08-08 19:16                                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 21:36                                                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2001-08-09  7:47                                                                                   ` nicolas
2001-08-10 15:44                                                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2001-09-04  4:32                                                                                     ` brentcarnellis
2001-09-04  4:36                                                                                       ` Ed Falis
2001-09-05  0:01                                                                                       ` Jeff Creem
2001-09-05  4:13                                                                                         ` brentcarnellis
2001-09-05 13:13                                                                                           ` Samuel T. Harris
2001-09-06  5:08                                                                                             ` brentcarnellis
2001-09-06 13:29                                                                                               ` Samuel T. Harris
2001-09-07  3:56                                                                                                 ` brentcarnellis
2001-09-07 12:45                                                                                                   ` Samuel T. Harris
2001-08-07 12:09                                                                     ` Proving Correctness (was Java Portability) Larry Kilgallen
2001-08-06 16:12                                                               ` Darren New
2001-08-07 12:12                                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-07 12:26                                                               ` nicolas
2001-08-07 12:37                                                               ` nicolas
     [not found]                                                         ` <9kelv1$riq$ <3B72CC18.F07195D1@ebox.tninet.se>
2001-08-12  6:34                                                           ` Simon Wright
2001-08-04  4:14                                                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-08-03 13:43                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-03 14:15                                                   ` nicolas
2001-08-04 22:31                                                     ` AG
2001-08-06  8:19                                                       ` nicolas
2001-08-06 15:56                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-03 16:02                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-03 15:25                                               ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                               ` <9Organization: LJK Software <pLczjM8J5xm3@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-08-03 15:27                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-01 18:49                                     ` Java portability John Doe
2001-08-02  4:38                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-27 19:44                                   ` Stefan Skoglund
2001-07-27 20:43                                     ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2001-07-28  1:04                         ` Java portability (was: An Ada IDE and discussions) Lao Xiao Hai
2001-07-28 21:45                           ` Stefan Skoglund
2001-07-26 13:19                     ` Java portability Georg Bauhaus
2001-07-26 15:07                       ` nicolas
2001-07-27  9:36                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-07-27  9:56                           ` nicolas
2001-07-27 13:06                             ` Georg Bauhaus
     [not found]                         ` <9jrcmm$mc0$1@aOrganization: LJK Software <Yjoj5DGkwoqg@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-07-27 11:43                           ` nicolas
2001-07-27 12:02                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-08-02  2:43                       ` Robert Dewar
2001-08-02 13:18                         ` Marc A. Criley
2001-08-02  8:03                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-07-30 20:00                   ` Java portability (was: An Ada IDE and discussions) Dave Adlam
2001-07-24  2:54 ` An Ada IDE and discussions Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
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