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From: "Marin David Condic" <marin.condic.auntie.spam@pacemicro.com>
Subject: Re: Java portability
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:13:19 -0400
Date: 2001-07-27T17:13:20+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9js7fg$7ld$1@nh.pace.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3B619A6D.5DD6E782@home.com

Oh, I think most of us would accept that Ada has superior safety features
and that this is important. I think Stanley Allen drew the analogy to a
Volvo in an article on AdaPower. He also observed that Volvo had to add some
"Sex Appeal" features because people weren't buying it in droves.

I'm not saying that lack of safety is a sex appeal feature. I'll bet that
Volvos may have gotten sexier but that underneath it all there is still a
lot of safety engineering.

I think I'd suggest that the fundamentals of Ada are very superior to the
fundamentals of most other general purpose languages. I'd even suggest that
it had a lot of features that other languages don't have. (Tasking &
generics come to mind - analogous to a Borg Warner T-56 six speed racing
transmission and an Edelbrock Nitrous Oxide System) Those are all wonderful
language attributes, but somewhere along the line the buyer seems to want
plush velour seats, a hood scoop, wheel flares and a spoiler and doesn't
want them to look like someone installed them with a pop-rivet gun and
sprayed Rustoleum on it. The parallel with Ada would be all of the
dingleberries hanging around other languages in the way of development
tools. They've got them and we don't - at least not in the spiffy package
that the buyer has come to expect.

MDC
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Marin David Condic
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"Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" <ve3wwg@home.com> wrote in message
news:3B619A6D.5DD6E782@home.com...
> I'd like to offer a slightly different "analogy" :
>
> _flamesuit on_
>
> The shopper looks at the Ada car, and notices that it has seatbelts and
> of course 4 doors on it. The programmer says, but I don't want to be
> restrained from accessing the outdoors -- I go through drive-throughs
> a lot..
>
> The shopper than goes down the street and settles on the C++ car
> which does not have the restrictive seat belts, and of course,
> _NO_ doors to get in the way ;-)  The Java car has seatbelts, but
> no doors...
>
> _flamesuit off_






  reply	other threads:[~2001-07-27 17:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 198+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-07-20 16:50 An Ada IDE and discussions Beard, Frank
2001-07-20 19:19 ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-23  8:26 ` nicolas
2001-07-23  8:53   ` Java portability (was: An Ada IDE and discussions) Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-23  9:32     ` Gerhard Häring
2001-07-23 11:26       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-24 18:59         ` Florian Weimer
2001-07-25  8:40           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-25 10:23             ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
2001-07-25 20:50             ` Florian Weimer
2001-07-26  8:07               ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-23  9:48     ` nicolas
2001-07-23 11:23       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-23 12:07         ` nicolas
2001-07-23 13:57           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-23 16:55             ` Marc A. Criley
2001-07-24  9:26               ` nicolas
2001-07-24 12:19                 ` Marc A. Criley
2001-07-24 13:10                   ` nicolas
2001-07-24 20:30                     ` Marc A. Criley
2001-07-25  7:56                       ` nicolas
2001-07-26 13:20                         ` Java portability Georg Bauhaus
2001-07-26 15:13                           ` nicolas
2001-07-27  9:52                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-07-27 10:22                               ` nicolas
2001-07-27 14:17                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-27 16:44                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-27 17:13                                     ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2001-07-27 20:09                                       ` Stefan Skoglund
2001-07-27 20:12                                       ` Straight Jackets Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-30  8:12                                     ` Java portability nicolas
2001-07-31  4:40                                       ` Proving Correctness (was Java Portability) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-31  8:12                                         ` nicolas
2001-07-31 13:13                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-31 14:40                                             ` nicolas
2001-08-02  9:52                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-02 10:45                                                 ` nicolas
2001-08-02 13:30                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-02 14:30                                                   ` nicolas
2001-08-02 15:49                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-02 18:57                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-02 20:27                                                     ` Wes Groleau
2001-08-05  2:40                                             ` rob
2001-08-05 10:15                                               ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-02  8:44                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-02 10:02                                             ` nicolas
2001-08-02 13:26                                               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-08-02 14:18                                                 ` nicolas
2001-08-02 21:46                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-03  8:12                                                 ` nicolas
2001-08-03 13:18                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-03 13:59                                                     ` nicolas
2001-08-03 13:51                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-03 14:54                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-03 15:16                                                       ` nicolas
2001-08-03 17:10                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-06  8:52                                                           ` nicolas
2001-08-06  9:39                                                             ` Mike
2001-08-06 11:37                                                               ` nicolas
2001-08-06 13:24                                                                 ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-06 14:30                                                                   ` nicolas
2001-08-06 15:38                                                                     ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-06 16:45                                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2001-08-07  0:14                                                                       ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-07  7:18                                                                         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-08-07 17:43                                                                           ` Stephen Leake
2001-08-07 18:07                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 10:15                                                                             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-08-07  8:06                                                                         ` nicolas
2001-08-07 10:33                                                                           ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-07 11:12                                                                             ` nicolas
2001-08-07  8:44                                                                       ` nicolas
2001-08-07 22:12                                                                         ` Larry Elmore
2001-08-07 22:54                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08  7:45                                                                             ` nicolas
2001-08-11 23:17                                                                             ` Larry Elmore
2001-08-13 13:29                                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08  8:01                                                                           ` nicolas
2001-08-11 23:49                                                                             ` Larry Elmore
2001-08-13 13:51                                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 10:22                                                                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-08-08 13:46                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 14:25                                                                               ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-08-08 15:28                                                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 18:03                                                                                   ` tmoran
2001-08-09 12:29                                                                                   ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-08-09 16:21                                                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-09  7:12                                                                               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-08-11 23:57                                                                             ` Larry Elmore
2001-08-06 14:43                                                                   ` nicolas
2001-08-06 15:37                                                                     ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-06 15:45                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-07  7:20                                                                     ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-08-06 23:14                                                                   ` The pace of change (was Proving Correctness (was Java Portability)) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-08-09 17:44                                                                   ` Proving Correctness (was Java Portability) Stefan Skoglund
2001-08-06 15:41                                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-06 13:14                                                             ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-06 14:16                                                               ` nicolas
2001-08-06 15:45                                                                 ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-06 16:14                                                                   ` nicolas
2001-08-06 16:41                                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2001-08-07  8:11                                                                       ` nicolas
2001-08-07 10:47                                                                         ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-07 11:31                                                                           ` nicolas
2001-08-07 11:50                                                                           ` nicolas
2001-08-07 14:08                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-07 19:19                                                                             ` David Starner
2001-08-07 20:56                                                                               ` tmoran
2001-08-07 22:32                                                                                 ` Ed Falis
2001-08-09 21:20                                                                                   ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-07 22:31                                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08  5:24                                                                                 ` David Starner
2001-08-08 14:34                                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 18:03                                                                                     ` tmoran
2001-08-09  4:31                                                                                     ` David Starner
2001-08-09 20:56                                                                                       ` David Starner
2001-08-09 21:00                                                                                         ` David Starner
2001-08-08 12:17                                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-08 14:54                                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 19:20                                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-08 19:49                                                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-09 12:31                                                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-09 17:34                                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-10  4:29                                                                                       ` Simon Wright
2001-08-13 14:09                                                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-13 14:26                                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-14 11:58                                                                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-13 19:38                                                                                           ` Simon Wright
2001-08-07 20:56                                                                             ` Florian Weimer
2001-08-07 22:43                                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-09-05 15:33                                                                             ` Ted Dennison
2001-08-06 16:37                                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2001-08-06 17:44                                                                   ` tmoran
2001-08-07  8:31                                                                   ` nicolas
2001-08-07  9:06                                                                     ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-08-07  9:20                                                                       ` nicolas
2001-08-07 10:01                                                                         ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-08-07 10:29                                                                           ` nicolas
2001-08-07 10:54                                                                             ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-08-07 11:28                                                                               ` nicolas
2001-08-07 23:02                                                                             ` Larry Elmore
2001-08-08  8:37                                                                               ` nicolas
2001-08-12  0:22                                                                                 ` Larry Elmore
2001-08-07 21:52                                                                           ` Ada Components " Lao Xiao Hai
2001-08-08 17:09                                                                             ` Brian Rogoff
2001-08-08 10:50                                                                         ` More Uniform Ada libraries (was: Proving Correctness) Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                                                         ` <y%Ob7.737$ep5.11352@news1.okOrganization: LJK Software <0TDoe8bALz3g@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-08-08 12:03                                                                           ` nicolas
2001-08-08 12:11                                                                         ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                                                         ` <y%Ob7.737$ep5.11352@news1.okOrganization: LJK Software <uiGL0WHzXluf@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-08-08 13:03                                                                           ` nicolas
2001-08-08 15:05                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 15:51                                                                               ` nicolas
2001-08-08 18:03                                                                                 ` tmoran
2001-08-08 19:16                                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 21:36                                                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2001-08-09  7:47                                                                                   ` nicolas
2001-08-10 15:44                                                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2001-09-04  4:32                                                                                     ` brentcarnellis
2001-09-04  4:36                                                                                       ` Ed Falis
2001-09-05  0:01                                                                                       ` Jeff Creem
2001-09-05  4:13                                                                                         ` brentcarnellis
2001-09-05 13:13                                                                                           ` Samuel T. Harris
2001-09-06  5:08                                                                                             ` brentcarnellis
2001-09-06 13:29                                                                                               ` Samuel T. Harris
2001-09-07  3:56                                                                                                 ` brentcarnellis
2001-09-07 12:45                                                                                                   ` Samuel T. Harris
2001-08-07 12:09                                                                     ` Proving Correctness (was Java Portability) Larry Kilgallen
2001-08-06 16:12                                                               ` Darren New
2001-08-07 12:12                                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-07 12:26                                                               ` nicolas
2001-08-07 12:37                                                               ` nicolas
     [not found]                                                         ` <9kelv1$riq$ <3B72CC18.F07195D1@ebox.tninet.se>
2001-08-12  6:34                                                           ` Simon Wright
2001-08-04  4:14                                                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-08-03 13:43                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-03 14:15                                                   ` nicolas
2001-08-04 22:31                                                     ` AG
2001-08-06  8:19                                                       ` nicolas
2001-08-06 15:56                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-03 16:02                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-03 15:25                                               ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                               ` <9Organization: LJK Software <pLczjM8J5xm3@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-08-03 15:27                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-01 18:49                                     ` Java portability John Doe
2001-08-02  4:38                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-27 19:44                                   ` Stefan Skoglund
2001-07-27 20:43                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-28  1:04                         ` Java portability (was: An Ada IDE and discussions) Lao Xiao Hai
2001-07-28 21:45                           ` Stefan Skoglund
2001-07-26 13:19                     ` Java portability Georg Bauhaus
2001-07-26 15:07                       ` nicolas
2001-07-27  9:36                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-07-27  9:56                           ` nicolas
2001-07-27 13:06                             ` Georg Bauhaus
     [not found]                         ` <9jrcmm$mc0$1@aOrganization: LJK Software <Yjoj5DGkwoqg@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-07-27 11:43                           ` nicolas
2001-07-27 12:02                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-08-02  2:43                       ` Robert Dewar
2001-08-02 13:18                         ` Marc A. Criley
2001-08-02  8:03                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-07-30 20:00                   ` Java portability (was: An Ada IDE and discussions) Dave Adlam
2001-07-24  2:54 ` An Ada IDE and discussions Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
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