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From: "Marin David Condic" <marin.condic.auntie.spam@pacemicro.com>
Subject: Re: Death by analogy Part 2 (was Re: is ada dead?)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:59:09 -0400
Date: 2001-07-10T13:59:11+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9if1nf$i1d$1@nh.pace.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3B4A2B3E.CD91C5DD@PublicPropertySoftware.com

A thing is worth only what you can get someone to pay you for it. People
sometimes get the idea that the laws of Supply and Demand are irrational or
something that ought to be ignored. (Nurses and schoolteachers do such
valuable work. Why don't we pay them what we pay basketball stars?) Supply
and demand - while not exactly Gas Laws, might just as well be. Nobody has
ever successfully violated them for very long. (If there were only five
nurses in the whole world, we'd probably pay them what we pay Michael
Jordan.)

The "Value" of Ada is what you can get someone to pay you for it. One branch
of calculations might show an economic benefit that would seem to justify a
really high price tag, but a) people have substitutes and b) not everything
that they value is figured into the calculations. Sometimes people are
buying "cheap" because long term considerations just aren't important to
them. (Suppose I'm a garage startup evaluating a $100,000 Ada compiler that
only runs on a $250,000 computer - not far from where things were back in
the early days of Ada83. Someone else offers me a C compiler for a PC free
of charge. Are the long term savings of Ada worth it to me? Or maybe I'm
building products that I know are going to be out of date in 12 months and
that I'm *never* going to maintain them after initial release. Time to
market may be my cost driver. Will I buy an expensive Ada compiler over an
inexpensive C++ compiler?)

Of course, I would probably contend that most of this is moot. There *are*
inexpensive and reasonable quality Ada compilers out there that are suitable
for a whole range of development efforts. Cost can't be what is stopping
people from going there. I'd suspect the issue is more one of a) built in
prejudices of the people making language selections and b) lack of
competitive toolsets. Part A we can hope to deal with only through education
and perhaps bringing in a new generation of software engineers with
different prejudices. Part B we can hope to deal with by examining what
people are using to develop in other languages and duplicate++ what is
available to them there.

None of this comes easy. :-)

MDC
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Marin David Condic
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"Al Christians" <alc@PublicPropertySoftware.com> wrote in message
news:3B4A2B3E.CD91C5DD@PublicPropertySoftware.com...
> advantages. What is the value of food, water, or air?  Aren't we glad
> that no one expects us to pay for these things what they are worth?
>






  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-07-10 13:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 161+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-07-05 21:56 is ada dead? tyler spivey
2001-07-05 23:11 ` James Rogers
2001-07-06  0:21 ` Gerhard Häring
2001-07-06  2:31 ` wzm
2001-07-06  7:47 ` Pascal Obry
2001-07-06 12:12 ` Martin Dowie
2001-07-06 21:33   ` Bobby D. Bryant
2001-07-06 14:04 ` Marin David Condic
     [not found]   ` <3B45E0E9.E3E7BB55@nokia.com>
2001-07-06 16:45     ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-06 18:28 ` Robert Dewar
2001-07-06 19:12 ` Lao Xiao Hai
2001-07-07  1:57   ` Adrian Hoe
2001-07-06 21:36     ` Bobby D. Bryant
2001-07-07 10:53       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-07-07 18:44         ` James Rogers
2001-07-07 21:19           ` String support (was: is Ada dead?) Larry Kilgallen
2001-07-08  3:15           ` is ada dead? Stephen J. Bevan
2001-07-08  3:46             ` James Rogers
2001-07-08  5:29               ` Stephen J. Bevan
2001-07-09 14:27                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-08 11:07             ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-07-08 14:57               ` Stephen J. Bevan
2001-07-08 13:34       ` Me
2001-07-07 18:33     ` James Rogers
2001-07-07 22:41       ` Andrzej Lewandowski
2001-07-08  0:58         ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-07-09  1:33           ` Florian Weimer
2001-07-08  1:45         ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-07-08 17:19           ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-07-08 21:28             ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-07-09  2:46               ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-07-09 10:36                 ` Mandating code quality (was: is Ada dead?) Larry Kilgallen
2001-07-08 10:52         ` is ada dead? Michal Nowak
2001-07-08 22:38           ` Andrzej Lewandowski
2001-07-09  1:20             ` James Rogers
2001-07-09 14:45               ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-09 15:54                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-09 20:27                   ` Jerry Petrey
2001-07-09 21:08                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-14 16:49                     ` Stefan Skoglund
2001-07-10 23:59                   ` Why " raj
2001-07-14 16:53                     ` Stefan Skoglund
2001-07-14 23:14                       ` James Rogers
2001-07-15 22:57                         ` Stefan Skoglund
2001-07-16 14:00                         ` Trains in the US (was: Why is ada dead?) Ted Dennison
2001-07-10 23:56                 ` Why is ada dead? raj
2001-07-11  2:59                   ` James Rogers
2001-07-09 16:50             ` Michal Nowak
2001-07-15 18:14             ` Lao Xiao Hai
2001-07-16 15:38               ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-16 17:32                 ` Mark Lundquist
2001-07-16 22:18                   ` tmoran
2001-08-01 18:53                     ` "first-mover (dis)advantage" (was Re: is ada dead?) Mark Lundquist
2001-08-02 15:44                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-21 16:30                   ` is ada dead? Bertrand Augereau
2001-07-16 18:19                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-07-16 18:21                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-16 20:14                     ` Gary Scott
2001-07-16 18:26                   ` Mark Lundquist
2001-07-16 21:21               ` Michal Nowak
2001-07-10 23:31         ` raj
2001-07-10 23:32         ` raj
2001-07-10 23:46         ` "garbage dumps are full of superior solutions" raj
2001-07-10 23:47         ` Managers believe that Ada programmers are hard to find raj
2001-07-11  9:38           ` Martin Dowie
2001-07-11 12:39           ` Marc A. Criley
2001-07-11 17:32           ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-07-11 19:05             ` Pat Rogers
2001-07-07 22:37     ` is ada dead? Andrzej Lewandowski
2001-07-08  1:10       ` James Rogers
2001-07-08  1:47       ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-07-08  9:01       ` Pascal Obry
2001-07-08 10:52       ` Michal Nowak
2001-07-08 22:40         ` Andrzej Lewandowski
2001-07-09  1:48           ` James Rogers
2001-07-09 15:11           ` Jerry Petrey
2001-07-09 16:14             ` Al Christians
2001-07-09 19:35               ` Death by analogy Part 1 (was Re: is ada dead?) Michael P. Card
2001-07-09 19:52               ` Death by analogy Part 2 " Michael P. Card
2001-07-09 22:07                 ` Al Christians
2001-07-10  3:38                   ` Michael P. Card
2001-07-10  4:54                     ` Al Christians
2001-07-10 10:54                       ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-07-10 16:58                         ` Al Christians
2001-07-10 17:58                           ` William Dale
2001-07-10 18:39                           ` Michael P. Card
2001-07-10 20:10                             ` Ed Falis
2001-07-10 20:46                               ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-10 20:54                                 ` Ed Falis
2001-07-10 21:15                                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-10 21:29                                     ` Ed Falis
2001-07-10 21:10                               ` Al Christians
2001-07-10 21:26                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-10 21:26                                 ` Ed Falis
2001-07-10 21:48                                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-10 21:56                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-11  1:59                                     ` Ed Falis
2001-07-11  2:38                               ` DuckE
2001-07-11 21:00                                 ` Ed Falis
2001-07-12  1:42                                   ` DuckE
2001-07-12 10:54                                   ` UML for Ada raj
2001-07-12  8:03                                 ` Death by analogy Part 2 (was Re: is ada dead?) David Humphris
2001-07-13  2:43                                   ` DuckE
2001-07-23 21:53                                     ` Greg Bek
2001-07-20  7:49                                   ` Lao Xiao Hai
2001-07-10 20:26                             ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-10 20:39                             ` Al Christians
2001-07-10 20:42                               ` Ed Falis
2001-07-10 20:53                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-10 21:11                               ` Michael P. Card
2001-07-11  5:25                                 ` Ada and UML raj
2001-07-11  9:40                                   ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
2001-07-13 19:00                                   ` Nick Williams
2001-07-13 19:46                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-17  8:25                                       ` David Humphris
2001-07-16  0:56                                     ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-16  1:57                                       ` Ada and UML - Rational dropping Ada? Jeff Creem
2001-07-16 17:37                                         ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-17 18:59                                       ` Ada and UML Simon Wright
2001-07-23 14:38                                         ` John Kern
2001-08-04  6:29                                           ` Simon Wright
2001-07-11  0:25                             ` Sure FIRM is lost, but really, who cares raj
2001-07-11  0:33                             ` Death by analogy Part 2 (was Re: is ada dead?) Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-07-10 12:58                     ` John Kern
2001-07-10 13:59                   ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2001-07-10  1:21               ` is ada dead? Pat Rogers
2001-07-10  2:29                 ` Al Christians
2001-07-09  1:44       ` Florian Weimer
2001-07-08 21:05         ` Bobby D. Bryant
2001-07-09 10:43           ` One True Language (was: is Ada dead?) Larry Kilgallen
2001-07-09 15:09           ` is ada dead? Ted Dennison
2001-07-14 18:40           ` Stefan Skoglund
2001-07-09  2:37       ` Adrian Hoe
2001-07-07 23:03 ` chris.danx
2001-07-09 15:22   ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-09 16:13     ` chris.danx
2001-07-10  9:02     ` Emmanuel Briot
2001-07-10 10:29       ` Contributing patches to GPL Ada projects (was: Is Ada dead?) Larry Kilgallen
2001-07-10 12:44         ` Emmanuel Briot
2001-07-10 15:24           ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-10 22:33             ` Robert Dewar
2001-07-11  7:46               ` Florian Weimer
2001-07-11 13:07               ` Marc A. Criley
2001-07-11 16:26                 ` Robert Dewar
2001-07-11 13:41               ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-11 16:30                 ` Robert Dewar
2001-07-11 17:45                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-14 14:05                     ` Robert Dewar
2001-07-16 15:38                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-16 17:37                         ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-11 12:35           ` McDoobie
2001-07-12  8:16             ` Emmanuel Briot
2001-07-14 19:48               ` Stefan Skoglund
2001-07-15  0:16                 ` McDoobie
2001-07-18 16:17                 ` Stephen Leake
2001-07-18 17:55                   ` Pascal Obry
2001-07-19 23:13                   ` Stefan Skoglund
2001-07-20 17:05                     ` Stephen Leake
2001-07-10 13:58       ` is ada dead? Ted Dennison
2001-07-10 17:04       ` Pascal Obry
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2001-07-09 21:59 Death by analogy Part 2 (was RE: is Ada dead?) Michael P. Card
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