From: "Marin David Condic" <marin.condic.auntie.spam@pacemicro.com>
Subject: Re: Ada Microkernel?
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:16:05 -0400
Date: 2001-06-29T13:16:06+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <9hhv2m$ivm$1@nh.pace.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: eGN_6.942$Kf3.12916@www.newsranger.com
My OS book from back in my college days is so old, I don't think it would be
anywhere close to up to date with modern OS theory. That's why I'm asking
for a recommendation.
I'd agree that an RTOS and a "Workstation" OS are going to have
fundamentally different design goals. However, I don't know that down at a
low level, you couldn't find some common ground and make the rest somehow
"switch selectable" IOW, it would be useful to make WindowsNT have a
"Real-Time" mode so you could run critical processes on it, yet have all
the tools & services available to you that programming in non-real-time
usually does. Indeed, there are third-party products to do just that. (From
what I've seen, they tend to duplicate most of the Windows API, put a RTOS
under it, then run Windows as a lower priority process.)
I think the biggest area of contention between the two would be the
scheduler. I don't see how things like device drivers, interrupt processing,
etc., would be of necessity incompatible. (The non-real-time could use
real-time algorithms without penalty to the end user if its done reasonably.
The real-time guys just need predictability.) But wouldn't it be possible to
specify more than one scheduling algorithm and have it selectable at boot
time? Sure, its more work to get a complete product together, but in the end
it makes a product that would have a really nice advantage over most of
what's out there.
MDC
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"Ted Dennison" <dennison@telepath.com> wrote in message
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>
> The one from my school days explicitly disclaims any intention of covering
> RTOS's up front. Their rationale was that general purpose OS's and RTOS's
have
> design goals that are fundamentally incompatable. For example, an RTOS
usually
> can't allow time-slicing between equal priority tasks, while
general-purpose
> user OS's need to in order to achieve fairness in scheduling. Also, RTOS
innards
> must be carefully crafted to provide a short and determinstic response
time.
> However, that typically means fixed-length data structures, and thus
limits on
> resources that a multitasking user OS might find annoyingly constraining.
>
> I'm curious if this is the unversal perception among OS developers today.
>
> ---
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2001-06-02 1:09 Ada Microkernel? B. Douglas Hilton
2001-06-02 2:11 ` DuckE
2001-06-02 2:25 ` Gerhard Häring
2001-06-02 2:41 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-02 5:09 ` Dale Stanbrough
2001-06-02 21:31 ` B. Douglas Hilton
2001-06-02 23:21 ` chris.danx
2001-06-02 11:07 ` chris.danx
2001-06-02 20:30 ` McDoobie
2001-06-02 21:20 ` B. Douglas Hilton
2001-06-02 21:41 ` B. Douglas Hilton
2001-06-03 1:09 ` James Rogers
2001-06-02 23:00 ` chris.danx
2001-06-03 5:31 ` B. Douglas Hilton
2001-06-03 11:45 ` chris.danx
2001-06-03 22:54 ` Didier Utheza
2001-06-03 23:23 ` Florian Weimer
2001-06-04 14:37 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-04 11:52 ` Chris Campbell
2001-06-09 23:54 ` McDoobie
2001-06-10 1:16 ` Chris Campbell
2001-06-10 7:13 ` Gerhard Häring
2001-06-10 12:14 ` Samuel Tardieu
2001-06-10 17:00 ` chris.danx
2001-06-11 20:54 ` chris.danx
2001-06-11 20:58 ` chris.danx
2001-06-11 22:30 ` tmoran
2001-06-11 22:35 ` chris.danx
2001-06-11 23:24 ` Robert A Duff
2001-06-12 20:57 ` Randy Brukardt
2001-06-11 21:38 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-11 21:44 ` chris.danx
2001-06-12 3:09 ` DuckE
2001-06-12 10:39 ` Jeff Creem
2001-06-11 23:22 ` Robert A Duff
2001-06-12 9:58 ` chris.danx
2001-06-12 17:27 ` tmoran
2001-06-13 10:31 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2001-06-23 14:58 ` Stefan Skoglund
2001-06-24 0:22 ` B. Douglas Hilton
2001-06-28 8:30 ` Fr�d�ric BOYER
2001-06-28 9:50 ` M. A. Alves
2001-06-28 14:21 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-28 14:39 ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-28 15:01 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-28 17:45 ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2001-06-28 19:03 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-28 19:15 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-28 21:52 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-29 13:16 ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2001-06-29 14:59 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-29 15:22 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-29 18:21 ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-02 13:50 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-02 16:57 ` OPERA
2001-06-29 4:37 ` Brian Catlin
2001-06-29 13:18 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-29 15:09 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-29 2:45 ` Gerhard Häring
2001-06-29 2:32 ` Gerhard Häring
2001-06-28 10:55 ` chris.danx
2001-06-28 17:55 ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2001-06-29 10:29 ` Fr�d�ric BOYER
2001-07-02 7:13 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2001-06-29 14:26 ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-02 7:11 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2001-07-02 13:25 ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-05 21:37 ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2001-07-07 23:22 ` Stefan Skoglund
2001-07-09 13:51 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-11 14:53 ` Ted Dennison
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2001-07-03 18:05 Michael Erdmann
2001-07-03 18:20 ` Ted Dennison
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