Ada95 calendar package question

Ada95 calendar package question

[Vladimir Bednikov]

Hi all,

I'm using gnat3.13p on an sgi with gcc2.8.1 and am wondering if there is a
way of
getting the day of week and month in text format. I.E.
Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri, Sat and Sun for days of the week and
Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr .... for the month of the year.

Thanks in advance.

Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[James Rogers]

Vladimir Bednikov wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm using gnat3.13p on an sgi with gcc2.8.1 and am wondering if there is a
> way of
> getting the day of week and month in text format. I.E.
> Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri, Sat and Sun for days of the week and
> Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr .... for the month of the year.

Ada does not provide such conversions as part of the Ada.Calendar
package. Which representation for days of the week and month names
is appropriate in all situations and cultures?

Ada does allow you to calculate the results yourself.

Converting month numbers to month names is simple. Create an enumerated
type containing the month names you want, then convert the 
Ada.Calendar.Month_Number to the corresponding month name:

type months is (Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul, Aug, Sep,
                Oct, Nov, Dec);
Month_Name : Months := Months'Val(Ada.Calendar.Month(Time_Value));

In this case Time_Value is a variable of type Ada.Calendar.Time.

Converting to the names of the days of the week is a bit more work.
The following generic package works for all the dates I have tested.
Note that it expects an enumerated type for the generic parameter.
The function Day_Of_Week will work only when the first day of the
week is a representation of Sunday

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Day of the Week Package for any date after January 1, 1901
--
-- This generic package works when Sunday is declared to be the
-- first day of the week. It must be the first value of the 
-- enumerated type used in the actual generic parameter.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
with Ada.Calendar;

generic
type weekdays is (<>);
package Day_Conversion is
   function Day_Of_Week (Date : Ada.Calendar.Time) return weekdays;
end Day_Conversion;

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Day of the Week Package for any date after January 1, 1901
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

package body Day_Conversion is
function Day_Of_Week (Date : Ada.Calendar.Time) return weekdays is
	year_diff : Natural;
	The_Month : Ada.Calendar.Month_Number;
	The_Year  : Ada.Calendar.Year_Number;
	The_Day   : Ada.Calendar.Day_Number;
	The_Day_Number : Natural := 0;
	Month_Days : array(Ada.Calendar.Month_Number) of Natural := 
	    (0, 31, 59, 90, 120, 151, 181, 212, 243, 273, 304, 334 );
begin
	The_Month := Ada.Calendar.Month(Date);
	The_Year := Ada.Calendar.Year(Date);
	The_Day  := Ada.Calendar.Day(Date);
	Year_Diff := The_Year - 1901;
	The_Day_Number := (Year_Diff * 365) + (( Year_Diff / 4 )
	                - (Year_Diff / 100) + (Year_Diff / 400) 
			+ Natural(Month_Days(The_Month)) 
			+ Natural(The_Day) - 1);
	if (The_Year mod 4) = 0 and (The_Month > 2) then
	   The_Day_Number := The_Day_Number + 1;
	end if;
	return Weekdays'Val((The_Day_Number + 2) mod 7);
end Day_Of_Week;
end Day_Conversion;

Jim Rogers
Colorado Springs, Colorado USA

Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[Peter Hermann]

James Rogers <jimmaureenrogers@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Vladimir Bednikov wrote:
>> Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri, Sat and Sun for days of the week and
>> Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr .... for the month of the year.
> -- This generic package works when Sunday is declared to be the
> -- first day of the week. It must be the first value of the 

Sorry James, but:
I very much prefer Monday as the first day of the week,
simply because it is the first day of the week  :-)

see:
http://www.csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de/homes/ph/adapilotresources/basic_tools/calenday.ads

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Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[James Rogers]

Peter Hermann wrote:
> 
> James Rogers <jimmaureenrogers@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > Vladimir Bednikov wrote:
> >> Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri, Sat and Sun for days of the week and
> >> Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr .... for the month of the year.
> > -- This generic package works when Sunday is declared to be the
> > -- first day of the week. It must be the first value of the
> 
> Sorry James, but:
> I very much prefer Monday as the first day of the week,
> simply because it is the first day of the week  :-)

Ah, more cultural differences. American calendars usually start the
week with Sunday. There are two solutions to the problem.
Simply alter the algorithm to add one to the number generated before
calculating the enumeration value. Follow that up by using the
updated version listed below. Upon further testing I found the
calculation had a Year 2000 defect in it.

I translated the original formulas from an ancient C text. Those
formulas (formulae ?) were only good through 1999.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Day of the Week Package for any date after January 1, 1901
--
-- This generic package works when Sunday is declared to be the
-- first day of the week. It must be the first value of the 
-- enumerated type used in the actual generic parameter.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
with Ada.Calendar;

generic
type weekdays is (<>);
package Day_Conversion is
   function Day_Of_Week (Date : Ada.Calendar.Time) return weekdays;
end Day_Conversion;

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Day of the Week Package for any date after January 1, 1901
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

package body Day_Conversion is
function Day_Of_Week (Date : Ada.Calendar.Time) return weekdays is
	year_diff : Natural;
	The_Month : Ada.Calendar.Month_Number;
	The_Year  : Ada.Calendar.Year_Number;
	The_Day   : Ada.Calendar.Day_Number;
	The_Day_Number : Natural := 0;
	Month_Days : array(Ada.Calendar.Month_Number) of Natural := 
	    (0, 31, 59, 90, 120, 151, 181, 212, 243, 273, 304, 334 );
begin
	The_Month := Ada.Calendar.Month(Date);
	The_Year := Ada.Calendar.Year(Date);
	The_Day  := Ada.Calendar.Day(Date);
	Year_Diff := The_Year - 1901;
	The_Day_Number := (Year_Diff * 365) + (( Year_Diff / 4 )
			+ Natural(Month_Days(The_Month)) 
			+ Natural(The_Day) - 1);

	if The_Year >= 2000 then
		The_Day_Number := The_Day_Number - ((The_Year - 2000)/ 100);
		The_Day_Number := The_Day_Number + ((The_Year - 2000) / 400);  
	end if;  
	if (The_Year mod 4 = 0) and (The_Month > 2) then
	   The_Day_Number := The_Day_Number + 1;
	end if;
	return Weekdays'Val((The_Day_Number + 2) mod 7);
end Day_Of_Week;
end Day_Conversion;

I apologize for the original error.

Jim Rogers
Colorado Springs, Colorado USA

Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[Marin David Condic]

There are a bunch of date/time tools on my website in a collection of code
labeled "Utilities" - see http://www.mcondic.com/Ada_Programming.html to
find it. Look for a package called UTIL.Date_Tools - there may be something
in there that is useful to you...

MDC
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Senior Software Engineer
Pace Micro Technology Americas    www.pacemicro.com
Enabling the digital revolution
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Web:      http://www.mcondic.com/


"Vladimir Bednikov" <Vladimir.Bednikov@ebor.com> wrote in message
news:9hbb9n$g14$1@fang.dsto.defence.gov.au...
> Hi all,
>
> I'm using gnat3.13p on an sgi with gcc2.8.1 and am wondering if there is a
> way of
> getting the day of week and month in text format. I.E.
> Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri, Sat and Sun for days of the week and
> Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr .... for the month of the year.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>

Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[Marin David Condic]

Sorry, Peter. It isn't. Historically, Sunday is the first day of the week.
Practically, people treat Monday as the first day of the week because that's
the day we all go back to work. However, I think if you dig into the
historic roots of it you'll discover that a) The Jewish tradition had the
Sabbath as Saturday and therefore Sunday was the first day of the week. b)
The early Christians - also being Jewish - went to Synagog on the Sabbath,
then gathered on the first day of the week for Christian celebration. c) the
Roman calendars that form the basis for our modern day calendar were
established by Christians - keeping Sunday as the first day of the week.

To a large extent, its pretty much an arbitrary and capricious choice as to
which day is "first" - but I think you'll find most calendars adhere to the
Sunday/First convention.

MDC
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Senior Software Engineer
Pace Micro Technology Americas    www.pacemicro.com
Enabling the digital revolution
e-Mail:    marin.condic@pacemicro.com
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"Peter Hermann" <ica2ph@iris16.csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de> wrote in message
news:9hc5n4$jl$1@infosun2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de...
> James Rogers <jimmaureenrogers@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > Vladimir Bednikov wrote:
> >> Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri, Sat and Sun for days of the week and
> >> Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr .... for the month of the year.
> > -- This generic package works when Sunday is declared to be the
> > -- first day of the week. It must be the first value of the
>
> Sorry James, but:
> I very much prefer Monday as the first day of the week,
> simply because it is the first day of the week  :-)
>
> see:
>
http://www.csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de/homes/ph/adapilotresources/basic_tools/c
alenday.ads
>
> --
> Peter Hermann Tel+49-711-685-3611 Fax3758 ica2ph@csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de
> Pfaffenwaldring 27 Raum 114, D-70569 Stuttgart Uni Computeranwendungen
> http://www.csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de/homes/ph/
> Team Ada: "C'mon people let the world begin" (Paul McCartney)

Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[Wes Groleau]

> To a large extent, its pretty much an arbitrary and capricious choice as to
> which day is "first" - but I think you'll find most calendars adhere to the
> Sunday/First convention.

There is now winding down a long (both in duration and number of posts)
argument on this issue in alt.usage.english or alt.english.usage
Apparently, many if not most calendars in Europe start with Monday.

-- 
Wes Groleau
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~wgroleau

Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[Wes Groleau]

> > I very much prefer Monday as the first day of the week,
> > simply because it is the first day of the week  :-)
> 
> Ah, more cultural differences. American calendars usually start the
> week with Sunday. There are two solutions to the problem.

Make  Sunday => 0   then for start of week, we can use 'First
and Europeans can use 1

:-)

-- 
Wes Groleau
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~wgroleau

Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[Samuel T. Harris]

Vladimir Bednikov wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm using gnat3.13p on an sgi with gcc2.8.1 and am wondering if there is a
> way of
> getting the day of week and month in text format. I.E.
> Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri, Sat and Sun for days of the week and
> Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr .... for the month of the year.
> 
> Thanks in advance.

The original Booch Ada 83 component has extensive
calendar extensions. You can find them at www.adapower.com.

-- 
Samuel T. Harris, Senior Software Engineer II
Raytheon, Aerospace Engineering Services
"If you can make it, We can fake it!"

Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[Ian Wild]

Marin David Condic wrote:
> 
> To a large extent, its pretty much an arbitrary and capricious choice as to
> which day is "first" ...

...however, ISO (ISO8601:1988) chooses Monday, and if it's good enough
for ISO, it's good enough for me.

Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[Marin David Condic]

Well, its been discussed here before. Like I said, there is a certain amount
of arbitrariness to it - make Wednesday be the first day if you like - but I
don't think it is inaccurate to point out that *historically*, Sunday is the
first day of the week and any other convention is ignoring a lot of history.
One can ignore history at one's own risk. :-)

Odd that it was Roman calendars (European) that pretty much set Sunday as
the first day of the week and now the Europeans don't use this convention
while the US still does. When was it Europe decided to pitch their own
standard?

MDC
--
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Senior Software Engineer
Pace Micro Technology Americas    www.pacemicro.com
Enabling the digital revolution
e-Mail:    marin.condic@pacemicro.com
Web:      http://www.mcondic.com/


"Wes Groleau" <wwgrol@ftw.rsc.raytheon.com> wrote in message
news:3B39E6C2.680A5CA@ftw.rsc.raytheon.com...
>
> > To a large extent, its pretty much an arbitrary and capricious choice as
to
> > which day is "first" - but I think you'll find most calendars adhere to
the
> > Sunday/First convention.
>
> There is now winding down a long (both in duration and number of posts)
> argument on this issue in alt.usage.english or alt.english.usage
> Apparently, many if not most calendars in Europe start with Monday.
>
> --
> Wes Groleau
> http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~wgroleau

Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[Noé Lavallée]

Wes Groleau a �crit :

> > To a large extent, its pretty much an arbitrary and capricious choice as to
> > which day is "first" - but I think you'll find most calendars adhere to the
> > Sunday/First convention.
>
> There is now winding down a long (both in duration and number of posts)
> argument on this issue in alt.usage.english or alt.english.usage
> Apparently, many if not most calendars in Europe start with Monday.

Yes, back here in France ALL calendars start the week on Monday. (by the way,
United Nations calendars do too).

Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[Larry Kilgallen]

In article <3B395724.6B4B9B67@worldnet.att.net>, James Rogers <jimmaureenrogers@worldnet.att.net> writes:
> Vladimir Bednikov wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm using gnat3.13p on an sgi with gcc2.8.1 and am wondering if there is a
>> way of
>> getting the day of week and month in text format. I.E.
>> Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri, Sat and Sun for days of the week and
>> Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr .... for the month of the year.
> 
> Ada does not provide such conversions as part of the Ada.Calendar
> package. Which representation for days of the week and month names
> is appropriate in all situations and cultures?

Certainly one culture that must be considered is the culture of the
operating system on which one is running.  Many operating systems
have their own standard for how programs should display dates,
along with the ability for a user to express personal preferences.
If you are running on such an operating system, you should strongly
consider using the operating system method, even if it means making
a call to non-Ada code.

Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[Ted Dennison]

In article <9hcr23$o0d$1@nh.pace.co.uk>, Marin David Condic says...
>Odd that it was Roman calendars (European) that pretty much set Sunday as
>the first day of the week and now the Europeans don't use this convention
>while the US still does. When was it Europe decided to pitch their own
>standard?

Probably about the time Seventh-day Adventists starting knocking on their doors
like they do here. :-)

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Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[Frank]

Hi!

>
> Odd that it was Roman calendars (European) that pretty much set Sunday as
> the first day of the week and now the Europeans don't use this convention
> while the US still does. When was it Europe decided to pitch their own
> standard?

It probably because God took the seventh day off, and looked upon everything
...

Another unalignment I have seen between Europe and US/America is the way the
weeks are counted/numbered.
:-)

Frank

Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[Philip Anderson]

Marin David Condic wrote:
> 
> Well, its been discussed here before. Like I said, there is a certain amount
> of arbitrariness to it - make Wednesday be the first day if you like - but I
> don't think it is inaccurate to point out that *historically*, Sunday is the
> first day of the week and any other convention is ignoring a lot of history.
> One can ignore history at one's own risk. :-)

No, the history was fine.  But to jump from there to saying "most
calendars ..." was dangerous; saying "most" in an international,
multicultural, multidisciplinary forum like this often is :-)


> Odd that it was Roman calendars (European) that pretty much set Sunday as
> the first day of the week and now the Europeans don't use this convention
> while the US still does. When was it Europe decided to pitch their own
> standard?

I don't know.  After the French Revolution perhaps?  But the ISO
standard can no doubt be dated.

My (British English) dictionary defines Sunday as the first day of the
week and I still think of it that way if asked (and so do the Seventh
Day Adventists obviously); but calendars, diaries and week-numbering
here all start with a Monday.  Timetables too use 1-7 stgarting from
Monday.  Maybe we should use 0-6, so Sunday is the first day, but Monday
is Day 1?

Personally I find it much more convenient to be able to write a weekend
event across two consecutive boxes than at the end of one row and the
beginning of the next.  But are Americans allowed to include Sunday in a
"weekend"? :-)


-- 
hwyl/cheers,
Philip Anderson
Alenia Marconi Systems
Cwmbr�n, Cymru/Wales

Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[Aron Felix Gurski]

Frank wrote:
<snip>
> Another unalignment I have seen between Europe and US/America is the way the
> weeks are counted/numbered.

There's an ISO standard on how weeks are to be numbered. This is what is used in
Europe. The standard *specifies* that for the purpose of numbering weeks, Monday
is the first day of the week.

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Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[Ted Dennison]

In article <3B3A02ED.456FED12@amsjv.com>, Philip Anderson says...
>
>Personally I find it much more convenient to be able to write a weekend
>event across two consecutive boxes than at the end of one row and the
>beginning of the next.  But are Americans allowed to include Sunday in a
>"weekend"? :-)

Sure. Sunday's "end" just happens to be the front end. :-)

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Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[David C. Hoos]

----- Original Message -----
From: "M. A. Alves" <maa@liacc.up.pt>
To: <comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: Ada95 calendar package question


<snip>
> (saturday => s�bado, clearly from "sabbath", sunday => domingo, no
> etimology known to me)
domingo => "The Lord's Day" from the Latin "Domini."

Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[M. A. Alves]

The portuguese calendar has the best from both "worlds".  It keeps
historical numbering right in the names:

  monday => segunda = _second_
  ...
  friday => sexta = sixth

but starts the week on monday.

(saturday => s�bado, clearly from "sabbath", sunday => domingo, no
etimology known to me)

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Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[Wes Groleau]

> Personally I find it much more convenient to be able to write a weekend
> event across two consecutive boxes than at the end of one row and the
> beginning of the next.  But are Americans allowed to include Sunday in a
> "weekend"? :-)

That works if you're used to it.  But when I tried to use such a calendar,
I was constantly getting "one-off" errors in recording or reading entries.

-- 
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RE: Ada95 calendar package question

[Beard, Frank]

-----Original Message-----
From: James Rogers [mailto:jimmaureenrogers@worldnet.att.net]

> Converting month numbers to month names is simple. Create an enumerated
> type containing the month names you want, then convert the 
> Ada.Calendar.Month_Number to the corresponding month name:
>
> type months is (Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul, Aug, Sep,
>                 Oct, Nov, Dec);
> Month_Name : Months := Months'Val(Ada.Calendar.Month(Time_Value));

Except that Ada.Calendar.Month returns a number in the range of 1 to 12,
while 'POS and 'VAL for type months works on values in the range of 0 to 11.

So, you would have to do something like the following:

  Month_Name : Months := Months'Val(Ada.Calendar.Month(Time_Value) - 1);

But that would probably cause CONSTRAINT_ERROR in January, so you end up
with:

  Month_Name : Months := Months'Val(natural(Ada.Calendar.Month(Time_Value))
- 1);

Frank

Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[Larry Hazel]

"Beard, Frank" wrote:
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Rogers [mailto:jimmaureenrogers@worldnet.att.net]
> 
> > Converting month numbers to month names is simple. Create an enumerated
> > type containing the month names you want, then convert the
> > Ada.Calendar.Month_Number to the corresponding month name:
> >
> > type months is (Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul, Aug, Sep,
> >                 Oct, Nov, Dec);
> > Month_Name : Months := Months'Val(Ada.Calendar.Month(Time_Value));
> 
> Except that Ada.Calendar.Month returns a number in the range of 1 to 12,
> while 'POS and 'VAL for type months works on values in the range of 0 to 11.
> 
> So, you would have to do something like the following:
> 
>   Month_Name : Months := Months'Val(Ada.Calendar.Month(Time_Value) - 1);
> 
> But that would probably cause CONSTRAINT_ERROR in January, so you end up
> with:
> 
>   Month_Name : Months := Months'Val(natural(Ada.Calendar.Month(Time_Value))
> - 1);
> 
> Frank

type Months is (Ignore, Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul, Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov,
Dec);

Larry

RE: Ada95 calendar package question

[Beard, Frank]

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Hazel [mailto:lhazel@mindspring.com]

> type Months is (Ignore, Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul, Aug, Sep, Oct,
Nov,
> Dec);

Yes, but then you have put a comment above it explaining what "Ignore" is
supposed
to mean.  I think a better self-documenting place holder would be:

  type Months is
(PlaceHolderSoThatValuesReturnedByAdaCalendarMonthWillLineUpWithThisType,
                  Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul, Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov,
Dec);

Frank

PS.

I case someone can't figure it out, that was really a joke.  But the more I
think about
it, it would probably be alright because no one is going to use the actual
value.  For
initialization, you would be setting the variable to 'FIRST anyway.

Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[Ehud Lamm]

Marin David Condic <marin.condic.auntie.spam@pacemicro.com> wrote in message
news:9hcmq5$m93$1@nh.pace.co.uk...
> Sorry, Peter. It isn't. Historically, Sunday is the first day of the week.
> Practically, people treat Monday as the first day of the week because
that's
> the day we all go back to work.

Well, y'all may start your work week on Mondays, but here in Israel we start
working on Sunday...

Obviously Saturady is not a working day here for religious reasons (yep, we
are Jewish). Funny thing is that when we moved to a five day work week, we
made Friday part of the weekend, and not Sunday...


--
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http://purl.oclc.org/NET/ehudlamm <==  Me!

Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[Jeffrey Carter]

Vladimir Bednikov wrote:
> 
> I'm using gnat3.13p on an sgi with gcc2.8.1 and am wondering if there is a
> way of
> getting the day of week and month in text format. I.E.
> Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri, Sat and Sun for days of the week and
> Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr .... for the month of the year.

PragmARC.Date_Handler, part of the PragmAda Reusable Components
available from

http://home.earthlink.net/~jrcarter010/pragmarc.htm

or from the mirror on www.adapower.net, can do this and much more.

-- 
Jeff Carter
"Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!"
Monty Python's Flying Circus

Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[Philip Anderson]

"David C. Hoos" wrote:
> 
> domingo => "The Lord's Day" from the Latin "Domini."

Specifically from the adjectival "dominicus", like the Italian
"Domenica" & French "dimanche"


-- 
hwyl/cheers,
Philip Anderson
Alenia Marconi Systems
Cwmbr�n, Cymru/Wales

Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[Alfred Hilscher]

Oh. What is weekend then ? For me it is Saturday and Sunday. Is this
different for you ? It must be if the week starts with Sunday (although
I like every sunny day ;-) ).

Marin David Condic wrote:
> 
> Sorry, Peter. It isn't. Historically, Sunday is the first day of the week.
>
> "Peter Hermann" <ica2ph@iris16.csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de> wrote in message
>
> > I very much prefer Monday as the first day of the week,
> > simply because it is the first day of the week  :-)
> >
> > see:
> >
> http://www.csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de/homes/ph/adapilotresources/basic_tools/c
> alenday.ads
> >
> > --
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Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[Marin David Condic]

Well, this would make sense given - as I observed - that the Sunday=First
Day thingie came out of the Jewish observation of the Sabbath. It would be
logical for Israel to have Friday/Saturday as the weekend. There may, of
course, be practical considerations for those doing international
business...

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"Ehud Lamm" <mslamm@mscc.huji.ac.il> wrote in message
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> Marin David Condic <marin.condic.auntie.spam@pacemicro.com> wrote in
message
> news:9hcmq5$m93$1@nh.pace.co.uk...
> > Sorry, Peter. It isn't. Historically, Sunday is the first day of the
week.
> > Practically, people treat Monday as the first day of the week because
> that's
> > the day we all go back to work.
>
> Well, y'all may start your work week on Mondays, but here in Israel we
start
> working on Sunday...
>
> Obviously Saturady is not a working day here for religious reasons (yep,
we
> are Jewish). Funny thing is that when we moved to a five day work week, we
> made Friday part of the weekend, and not Sunday...
>
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Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[Ted Dennison]

In article <3B3B14AF.94B712C1@icn.siemens.de>, Alfred Hilscher says...
>
>Oh. What is weekend then ? For me it is Saturday and Sunday. Is this
>different for you ? It must be if the week starts with Sunday (although

Nope. The weekend is Saturday (back end) and Sunday (front end). :-)

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Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[Wes Groleau]

> Well, this would make sense given - as I observed - that the Sunday=First
> Day thingie came out of the Jewish observation of the Sabbath. It would be
> logical for Israel to have Friday/Saturday as the weekend. There may, of
> course, be practical considerations for those doing international
> business...
>
> > Obviously Saturady is not a working day here for religious reasons (yep,
> we
> > are Jewish). Funny thing is that when we moved to a five day work week, we
> > made Friday part of the weekend, and not Sunday...

Since the Sabbath begins at sundown on the Gentile Friday, to work a full day
on Friday could make things rather rushed before sundown--which would kind of
go against the spirit of the Sabbath.

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Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[Marin David Condic]

As in getting both the head and tail of a list? You have both 'ends' of the
week? Its a double-ended list! And now, we're back to actual computer
related topics! :-)

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"Ted Dennison" <dennison@telepath.com> wrote in message
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> Nope. The weekend is Saturday (back end) and Sunday (front end). :-)
>

Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[M. A. Alves]

> As in getting both the head and tail of a list? You have both 'ends' of the
> week? Its a double-ended list! And now, we're back to actual computer
> related topics! :-)

And note that curiously enough the actual computing issues viz.

  1. calculating the day of the week
  2. names and positions in printed calendars

are independent.

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Re: Ada95 calendar package question

[Ehud Lamm]

Wes Groleau <wwgrol@ftw.rsc.raytheon.com> wrote in message
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> Since the Sabbath begins at sundown on the Gentile Friday, to work a full
day
> on Friday could make things rather rushed before sundown--which would kind
of
> go against the spirit of the Sabbath.
>


Friday was a short day when we had six-day work week. It still is, for those
places open on Firday.
It is not just because of the spirit of the Sabbath: During the winter the
days are too short for people to get home before the Sabbath starts, and
since observant Jews don't drive during the Sabbath, they would be stuck at
work...


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