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From: "Marin David Condic" <marin.condic.auntie.spam@pacemicro.com>
Subject: Re: Market pressures for more reliable software
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:27:14 -0400
Date: 2001-06-13T21:27:16+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9g8lrk$37c$1@nh.pace.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: zeQV6.7400$pb1.285004@www.newsranger.com

Yes, presuming the company that made the product is willing to go this
route. (Free in what sense?) They have to see their future income as coming
from selling support or other stuff if they are going to give away the
program. (Not all software has this potential - do people regularly buy
support for, say, a computer game?)

If they *sell* the program with the source code, you *do* have the option of
fixing it yourself - but there may be real good reasons why they don't fix
the bugs themselves. (If its crap code, it may be real hard or impossible to
fix.) So saying "Yeah, it's a turd, but you're welcome to polish it up for
yourself..." doesn't really get you out of it. They took your money and gave
you crap and had a little salve for their conscience because they gave you
the source.

Now there might be something to the notion of software developed under the
Ada Developer's Cooperative License (or similar) in that the guys who build
the code only get paid if the code gets used and sold. The only way for that
to work consistently is if what they wrote is reliable enough for other
developers to have confidence in it and reuse it. There is incentive to fix
and improve components rather than pitch them all and start from
bottom-dead-center as is often done in C/C++ consumer software development.
Its not like you can sell the code up front and say "Tough Noogies!" if it
turns out it sucks. So presuming someone builds "Ada$oft Works (tm)" in Ada
utilizing subsystems and components under the ADCL, it might increase the
probability that the end-product doesn't suck because a) the developers of
the code have a stake in its quality and b) its written in Ada which
improves the quality right there. Could it help?

MDC
--
Marin David Condic
Senior Software Engineer
Pace Micro Technology Americas    www.pacemicro.com
Enabling the digital revolution
e-Mail:    marin.condic@pacemicro.com
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"Ted Dennison" <dennison@telepath.com> wrote in message
news:zeQV6.7400$pb1.285004@www.newsranger.com...
> In article <40gfitgrvd8cgu27r3vfib6eptmapb3pfl@4ax.com>, Roedy Green
says...
> 4. Free Software. If it doesn't quite do what you want, you've lost
nothing but
> your evaluation time. Even better, you have more options than just trying
> something else. You can fix it yourself to do what you want, or pay
someone else
> (preferably someone intamately familiar with the code) to do it for you.
>






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2001-05-25  2:02 Long names are doom ? 00001111
2001-05-25  2:25 ` Chris Smith
2001-05-25  3:37   ` Jan Schaumann
2001-05-25  5:18     ` (null)
2001-05-25  6:12       ` Patricia Shanahan
2001-05-25 11:41     ` Charles Demas
2001-05-25  2:55 ` Larry Elmore
2001-05-25  3:21 ` Patricia Shanahan
2001-05-25  3:24   ` Roedy Green
2001-05-25  6:19   ` Jim Monty
2001-05-25  7:32     ` Jon Skeet
2001-05-25 12:23     ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-06 10:40     ` John
2001-06-08  3:24       ` Larry Elmore
2001-05-25 15:46   ` Everett M. Greene
2001-05-26 22:25   ` AG
2001-05-27 16:52     ` Shankar Unni
2001-05-27 19:02       ` Gary Scott
2001-05-27 19:36         ` Jon Skeet
2001-05-27 21:36           ` Gary Scott
2001-05-28  3:22         ` Roedy Green
2001-05-29 21:17     ` Wes Groleau
2001-05-30 12:04       ` Chris Smith
2001-06-01 11:39         ` Alvaro Segura
2001-06-01 13:50           ` Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen
2001-06-01 14:20             ` Marco Schmidt
2001-06-01 14:22             ` Choosing proper object names (was: Long names are doom ?) Ted Dennison
2001-06-04 16:32               ` Ray Blaak
2001-06-01 15:09             ` Long names are doom ? Marin David Condic
2001-06-01 18:54               ` Roedy Green
2001-06-01 19:38                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-01 21:08                   ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-02  5:29                     ` AG
2001-06-05 19:27                       ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-05 22:22                         ` Chris Uzdavinis
2001-06-06  0:13                           ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-06  9:33                             ` John English
2001-06-08  3:26                               ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-08 17:48                                 ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-08 22:47                                   ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-09  2:30                                     ` Patricia Shanahan
2001-06-09  2:08                                   ` Adam Beneschan
2001-06-08 13:20                               ` James Kanze
2001-06-08 13:38                                 ` John English
2001-06-08 17:07                                   ` Chris Uzdavinis
2001-06-08 13:16                         ` James Kanze
2001-06-02  5:51                     ` Simon Wright
2001-06-04 15:05                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-04 15:46                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-04 22:26                         ` Roedy Green
2001-06-05 11:42                           ` John English
2001-06-05 13:25                           ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-05 20:59                             ` Roedy Green
2001-06-05 21:15                             ` Roedy Green
2001-06-06 13:25                               ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-06 13:44                               ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-06 14:12                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-06 21:01                                 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-06 22:16                                   ` Gary Scott
2001-06-07  2:32                               ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-08 13:27                                 ` James Kanze
2001-06-08 14:37                                   ` Gary Scott
2001-06-13 12:31                                   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-05 19:44                           ` Dirk Bosmans
2001-06-05 21:47                             ` Roedy Green
2001-06-08 13:29                               ` James Kanze
2001-06-13 12:33                                 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-13 20:38                                   ` Roedy Green
2001-06-14  0:00                                     ` Jerry Petrey
2001-06-14 13:03                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-14 19:23                                       ` Conrad Schneiker
2001-06-05  0:40                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05  1:53                           ` Roedy Green
2001-06-05  1:55                           ` Roedy Green
2001-06-05  9:17                             ` Blaikie
2001-06-05 17:24                             ` Gary Scott
2001-06-05  3:27                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05  7:13                             ` Roedy Green
2001-06-05  9:20                               ` Blaikie
2001-06-05  9:35                                 ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-05  9:40                                   ` Blaikie
2001-06-05  9:57                                     ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-05 10:29                                       ` Blaikie
2001-06-05 13:46                                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-05 11:44                               ` John English
2001-06-05 14:28                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-05 15:56                             ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05 15:58                             ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05 17:03                               ` Jon Skeet
     [not found]                             ` <q81pht43ib89sjop0Organization <+FWVg+noA0yk@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-06-05 20:27                               ` Steve Bellenot
2001-06-05 21:55                                 ` Blaikie
2001-06-06  6:37                                   ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-06  8:18                                     ` Blaikie
2001-06-06  8:31                                       ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-06  8:58                                         ` Blaikie
2001-06-06 21:05                                       ` Roedy Green
2001-06-07 10:16                                         ` Jonathan Revusky
2001-06-08 14:06                                           ` James Kanze
2001-06-08 14:01                                     ` James Kanze
2001-06-05  3:32                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05  4:13                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05 19:59                         ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-05 20:47                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-05 23:08                             ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-06  9:14                               ` John English
2001-06-06 13:30                                 ` Creative? (was: Long names ....) Wes Groleau
2001-06-06 21:08                                 ` Long names are doom ? Pete Thompson
2001-06-06 11:30                               ` David Gillon
2001-06-06 15:26                                 ` Gary Scott
2001-06-06 21:17                                   ` Roedy Green
2001-06-07  8:10                                   ` John English
2001-06-07 21:58                                     ` Commenting code Roedy Green
2001-06-07 22:07                                       ` Jane Williams
2001-06-08  3:37                                         ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-08 13:27                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-07 23:25                                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-07 23:17                                         ` Roedy Green
2001-06-08 14:17                                           ` James Kanze
2001-06-08  1:44                                       ` John English
2001-06-08  2:00                                         ` John English
2001-06-08  3:10                                         ` Roedy Green
2001-06-08  5:56                                           ` Roedy Green
2001-06-08 11:50                                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-08 13:45                                           ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-08 14:24                                           ` James Kanze
2001-06-08 18:57                                             ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-11 10:38                                               ` James Kanze
2001-06-11 17:41                                                 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-13 12:44                                                 ` Alvaro Segura
2001-06-13 13:46                                                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-13 15:20                                                     ` Bill
2001-06-13 15:35                                                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-15 15:37                                                         ` John English
2001-06-15 19:59                                                           ` Karl Schmidt
2001-06-15  9:06                                                   ` tt
2001-06-08 15:42                                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-11 10:41                                           ` James Kanze
2001-06-11 13:18                                             ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-12  8:36                                               ` James Kanze
2001-06-08 18:47                                         ` Off-Topic "football" Wes Groleau
2001-06-08 13:42                                       ` Commenting code Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-08 15:22                                         ` Donald L. Dobbs
2001-06-11 21:30                                           ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-11 21:53                                             ` Commenting code (a plea) Dave Thomas
2001-06-13 12:03                                           ` Commenting code Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-13 18:13                                             ` Donald L. Dobbs
2001-06-14 12:43                                               ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-14 16:22                                                 ` Donald L. Dobbs
2001-06-14 19:20                                                   ` Conrad Schneiker
2001-06-14 21:43                                                     ` Roedy Green
2001-06-14 22:48                                                       ` Michael Mauch
2001-06-15 16:36                                                       ` Charles Hixson
2001-06-17  2:09                                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-08 16:18                                       ` Ray Blaak
2001-06-08 16:45                                         ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-09  0:37                                           ` Ray Blaak
2001-06-08 23:18                                         ` Roedy Green
2001-06-06 21:19                                 ` Long names are doom ? Pete Thompson
2001-06-07 11:39                                   ` David Gillon
2001-06-07  2:46                                 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-06 15:25                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-06 22:53                                 ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-07 11:36                                   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-07 22:01                                     ` Roedy Green
2001-06-07 22:20                                       ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-08 14:20                                       ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-07 13:58                                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-07 16:22                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-07 18:14                                     ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-07 18:59                                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-07 20:30                                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-07 19:46                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-07 20:20                                           ` Benjamin.Altman
2001-06-07 21:52                                             ` Blaikie
2001-06-07 22:35                                               ` Roedy Green
2001-06-07 22:04                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-07 23:06                                               ` Eric The Read
2001-06-08 13:43                                                 ` Off Topic: Hot Coffee (was Re: Long names are doom ?) Marin David Condic
2001-06-11 20:51                                                   ` Re(ally): " Paul Graham
2001-06-12 19:43                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-07 23:14                                               ` Long names are doom ? Dan Mercer
2001-06-08  0:08                                               ` Roedy Green
2001-06-09  6:10                                               ` Dale King
2001-06-11 16:28                                                 ` software suits, was " tmoran
2001-06-11 19:13                                                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-11 18:47                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-12  5:31                                                       ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-12 13:40                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-12 13:34                                                       ` Dale King
2001-06-12 20:23                                                         ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-12 21:28                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-13  8:18                                                             ` James Kanze
2001-06-13 14:26                                                               ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-13 15:14                                                             ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-13 16:30                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-15  5:05                                                             ` Dale King
2001-06-12 21:09                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-13  1:38                                                         ` software lawsuits Roedy Green
2001-06-13  2:29                                                           ` Otis Bricker
2001-06-12 13:20                                                   ` software suits, was Re: Long names are doom ? Dale King
2001-06-13  8:28                                                     ` James Kanze
2001-06-15  5:09                                                       ` Dale King
2001-06-12  8:42                                                 ` James Kanze
2001-06-12 14:12                                                   ` Shrink-wrap licenses (was: Long names are doom ?) Ted Dennison
2001-06-12 15:01                                                   ` Long names are doom ? Dan Mercer
2001-06-12 17:16                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-12 21:21                                                       ` Dan Mercer
2001-06-12 22:07                                                         ` Off Topic: Legal Issues In Software - was " Marin David Condic
2001-06-13  3:54                                                         ` Roedy Green
2001-06-13 11:14                                                           ` Philip Anderson
2001-06-13 11:35                                                           ` Software Licensing (was: Long names are doom) Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-13 13:48                                                           ` Long names are doom ? Marin David Condic
2001-06-13 14:57                                                             ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-13 16:22                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-13 19:48                                                                 ` Market pressures for more reliable software Roedy Green
2001-06-13 20:42                                                                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-13 21:27                                                                     ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2001-06-14  5:09                                                                       ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-14 14:15                                                                         ` Ada Developer's Cooperative License (was) " Marin David Condic
2001-06-14 18:51                                                                           ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-14 21:09                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-15  3:56                                                                               ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-15 13:55                                                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-21  7:11                                                                             ` Colin Paul Gloster
2001-06-22 15:32                                                                               ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-14 14:19                                                                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-14 14:53                                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-14 15:55                                                                           ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-15 15:21                                                                           ` Gautier
2001-06-15 15:36                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-18 16:26                                                                           ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-14 15:30                                                                         ` Ed Jensen
2001-06-14 16:11                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-14 17:32                                                                             ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-14 17:55                                                                               ` Charles Hixson
2001-06-14 20:10                                                                                 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-16 23:48                                                                                   ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-14 20:09                                                                               ` Roedy Green
2001-06-14 21:43                                                                                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-16  2:41                                                                                   ` Roedy Green
2001-06-16 23:08                                                                                     ` Joseph T. Adams
2001-06-18 14:23                                                                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-15  3:44                                                                                 ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-18 16:53                                                                                   ` Wes Groleau
2001-08-07  1:08                                                                                 ` The Ghost In The Machine
2001-08-07  2:38                                                                                   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-08-13 14:14                                                                                     ` The Ghost In The Machine
2001-06-15  6:59                                                                               ` Joseph T. Adams
2001-06-15 15:43                                                                               ` Ed Jensen
2001-06-16  2:45                                                                                 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-16  2:45                                                                                 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-16 14:25                                                                                   ` James A. Robertson
2001-06-16 17:48                                                                                     ` Roedy Green
2001-06-16 19:16                                                                                       ` James A. Robertson
2001-06-18 14:49                                                                                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-18 15:46                                                                                     ` Al Christians
2001-06-18 16:16                                                                                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-18 17:09                                                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-18 18:02                                                                                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-18 18:04                                                                                         ` Al Christians
2001-06-18 20:06                                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-18 21:43                                                                                         ` tmoran
2001-06-18 21:29                                                                                       ` Charles Hixson
2001-06-18 22:23                                                                                         ` Al Christians
2001-06-20 15:49                                                                                           ` Charles Hixson
2001-06-19 12:18                                                                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-16 22:30                                                                               ` Florian Weimer
2001-06-14 17:56                                                                         ` David Chase
2001-06-16 14:22                                                                         ` James A. Robertson
2001-06-16 23:23                                                                           ` Al Christians
2001-06-17  1:38                                                                             ` tmoran
2001-06-18 13:59                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-18 13:49                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-19 12:09                                                                             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-19 14:23                                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-20  4:33                                                                                 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-20 15:55                                                                                 ` Charles Hixson
2001-06-20 16:55                                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-20 23:55                                                                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-20 18:38                                                                                 ` Roedy Green
     [not found]                                                                         ` <tM4W6.14397$Dd5.34 <3B28FAD5.5FFB643F@world.std.com>
2001-06-17  2:38                                                                           ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-13 22:42                                                                     ` tmoran
2001-06-13 22:44                                                                   ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-14 16:57                                                                     ` Charles Hixson
2001-06-14 13:09                                                                   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-14 14:28                                                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-14 20:25                                                                     ` Roedy Green
2001-06-17  2:43                                                                       ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-13 22:02                                                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-14 14:47                                                                 ` Long names are doom ? Wes Groleau
2001-06-21  1:41                                                                 ` Market pressures for more reliable software Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-21  1:38                                                             ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                                             ` <kbLV6.6795$pb1.259296@www.nOrganization: LJK Software <aPN5ieyHFSfT@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-06-21 14:20                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-24 22:31                                                               ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-25  0:01                                                                 ` Ken Garlington
2001-06-25 12:50                                                                   ` Ken Garlington
2001-06-26 11:52                                                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-27  9:41                                                                       ` Gary Labowitz
2001-06-27 21:09                                                                         ` Roedy Green
2001-06-28  0:31                                                                           ` tmoran
2001-06-28 11:45                                                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-25  8:09                                                                 ` Gary Labowitz
2001-06-25 14:13                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-25 15:35                                                                     ` David C. Hoos
2001-06-25 16:50                                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-25 17:08                                                                       ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-25 21:32                                                                         ` Al Christians
2001-07-02  4:49                                                                         ` David Thompson
2001-06-26 12:02                                                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-26 12:48                                                                       ` David C. Hoos
2001-06-26 14:08                                                                       ` Al Christians
2001-06-26 15:00                                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-26 15:41                                                                           ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-27  3:33                                                                           ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-27 13:31                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-26 17:39                                                                         ` tmoran
2001-06-26 16:26                                                                       ` Roedy Green
2001-06-28 11:50                                                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-28 21:32                                                                           ` Roedy Green
2001-06-28 12:20                                                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-01  0:50                                                                       ` Lao Xiao Hai
2001-07-02 11:41                                                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-03  6:43                                                                           ` Lao Xiao Hai
2001-07-04 14:40                                                                             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-04 21:00                                                                               ` Phil Robyn
2001-07-05 11:12                                                                                 ` Gary Labowitz
2001-07-05 17:00                                                                                   ` Phil Robyn
2001-07-05 11:10                                                                               ` Gary Labowitz
2001-07-05 13:27                                                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-06  2:47                                                                                   ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-06 23:24                                                                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-07 17:45                                                                                       ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-08  2:54                                                                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
     [not found]                                                                                         ` <3B47CB75.234C0543@acm.or g>
2001-07-16  0:56                                                                                           ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-16 12:03                                                                                             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-16 17:37                                                                                               ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-17  0:18                                                                                                 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-20 15:48                                                                                                   ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-22 15:37                                                                                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-23  2:44                                                                                                       ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-23 10:09                                                                                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-23 11:35                                                                                                           ` [OT] " Ken Garlington
2001-07-24  0:56                                                                                                             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-24 12:02                                                                                                               ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-06 23:15                                                                                   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-06 23:11                                                                                 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-13 15:22                                                         ` Long names are doom ? Wes Groleau
2001-06-14 12:51                                                       ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-14 13:49                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-17  2:28                                                           ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-13  8:39                                                     ` James Kanze
2001-06-13  9:51                                                       ` Blaikie
2001-06-13 15:41                                                         ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-13 17:35                                                           ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-13 20:19                                                           ` Roedy Green
2001-06-13 22:04                                                             ` Software Lawsuits (was: LOng names are doom ?) Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-14 13:56                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-15 15:50                                                             ` Long names are doom ? John English
2001-06-14 12:53                                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-08  3:54                                           ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-08  4:50                                             ` Gary Labowitz
2001-06-12 22:57                                               ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-08  5:59                                             ` Roedy Green
2001-06-08 17:06                                               ` Eric The Read
2001-06-08 23:20                                                 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-08 22:55                                               ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-08 13:52                                             ` Off Topic: Stupid Bureaucrats (was Re: Long names are doom ?) Marin David Condic
2001-06-08 14:45                                               ` Philip Anderson
2001-06-08 16:51                                                 ` Earl R Coker
2001-06-09  1:23                                                 ` Blaikie
2001-06-08 16:26                                               ` Chris Smith
2001-06-08 16:41                                                 ` Long Threads are doom? " Benjamin.Altman
2001-06-08 23:57                                                 ` Off Topic: Stupid Bureaucrats " Roedy Green
2001-06-08 23:52                                               ` mismatch between actual threat and perceived threat Roedy Green
2001-06-11 13:25                                                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-11 17:46                                                   ` Roedy Green
     [not found]                                               ` <vcn2itcjoscsqfppcmrabm2441uuvblfoa@4ax.c <wF3V6.3766$pb1.137507@www.newsranger.com>
2001-06-11 13:46                                                 ` mismatch between actual relevant newsgroups and perceived relevant newsgroups Kenny McCormack
2001-06-17  0:34                                                   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-11 13:54                                               ` Off Topic: Stupid Bureaucrats (was Re: Long names are doom ?) Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-06-07 19:44                                     ` Long names are doom ? tmoran
2001-06-07 17:37                                   ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-08 14:31                                   ` James Kanze
2001-06-08 18:19                                     ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-09  1:15                                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-11 10:52                                         ` James Kanze
2001-06-13 12:37                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-09  3:51                                     ` Patricia Shanahan
2001-06-11 10:56                                       ` James Kanze
2001-06-09 12:06                                 ` Memory Allocation without pointer arithmetic ? (was: Long names...) Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                 ` <vj7tht0jkrkoivki4lsadlivgghdr0Organization <9BiaJoj4VeFk@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-06-09 14:58                                   ` Kenny McCormack
2001-06-09 21:46                                     ` Jane Williams
     [not found]                                 ` <vj7tht0jkrkoivki4lsadlivgghdr0Organization: LJK Software <9BiaJoj4VeFk@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-06-09 12:34                                   ` Patricia Shanahan
2001-06-10  6:56                                   ` Mark Yudkin
2001-06-10 14:04                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-10 14:15                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                 ` <vj7tht0jkrkoivki4lsadlivgghdr0Organization <$l53AZgRoQvs@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-06-10 14:17                                   ` Kenny McCormack
     [not found]                                 ` <vj7tht0jkrkoivki4lsadlivgghdr0Organization: LJK Software <uR1t+dk$wTpD@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-06-10 18:24                                   ` Chris Smith
2001-06-06 21:10                               ` Long names are doom ? Roedy Green
2001-06-07  2:20                               ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-07 18:27                                 ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-08 14:12                                   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
     [not found]                         ` <pb2ohtgs64jhssmmohpq5qr7nmcsq6119c@4a <Bh0r7ajFbl7x@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-06-05 20:35                           ` Simon Wright
2001-06-05 19:56                       ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-05 20:46                         ` Simon Wright
2001-06-07  2:11                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-07 15:34                           ` Dale King
2001-06-08  4:38                             ` Donald L. Dobbs
     [not found]                               ` <GELwCw.K0r@approve.se>
2001-06-09  9:23                                 ` AG
     [not found]                                   ` <GEnxK3.3n8@approve.se>
2001-06-09 21:01                                     ` AG
2001-06-13 12:23                               ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-13 12:17                             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-15 15:53                               ` John English
2001-06-07 18:26                           ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-08 14:09                             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-17 12:41                           ` HarryO
2001-06-05 11:24                     ` John English
2001-06-05 13:53                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-05 14:10                         ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-05 16:02                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-08 14:47                         ` James Kanze
2001-06-08 17:43                           ` tmoran
2001-06-10  1:26                             ` AG
2001-06-05 12:53                     ` Philip Anderson
2001-06-05 14:29                     ` James Kanze
2001-06-05 14:52                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-05 16:05                         ` Philip Anderson
2001-06-05 16:41                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-06  4:28                             ` Dale King
2001-06-06  9:07                             ` Philip Anderson
2001-06-06  9:21                             ` John English
2001-06-06 13:46                               ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-06 15:29                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-06 11:37                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05 19:52                         ` Matthew Woodcraft
2001-06-07 10:26                         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-06-07 16:07                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-08  9:45                             ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-06-08 14:52                             ` James Kanze
     [not found]                           ` <9fo8sb$qrc$1@n <3B20E6C9.562E8BE6@dresdner-bank.com>
2001-06-09  6:00                             ` Simon Wright
2001-06-05 16:04                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05 14:26                 ` James Kanze
2001-06-05 14:45                   ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-08 14:55                     ` James Kanze
2001-06-01 20:32               ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-02  4:27               ` AG
2001-06-01 17:33             ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-02  6:19               ` Simon Wright
2001-06-04 14:22                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-01 18:48             ` Roedy Green
2001-06-02 20:28               ` Edward Rosten
2001-06-05 14:23             ` James Kanze
2001-06-01 14:18           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-01 15:35           ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-01 15:41             ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-01 20:44               ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-02 17:31                 ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-05 11:52                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-06-05 12:13                     ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-05 11:52         ` John English
2001-05-30 14:14       ` Marin David Condic
2001-05-30 20:50         ` Roedy Green
2001-06-04  0:37         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-04 14:41           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-04 22:33             ` Roedy Green
2001-06-05 14:40               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-05 14:49             ` James Kanze
2001-05-25  5:42 ` Steve Bellenot
2001-05-25 11:39   ` Peter Fitzgibbons
2001-05-25 13:34   ` Marin David Condic
2001-05-25 19:31     ` Roedy Green
2001-05-25 20:23       ` Larry Hazel
2001-05-26  0:39       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-05-29  9:41       ` John English
2001-05-29 19:32         ` Roedy Green
2001-05-29 20:35           ` Marin David Condic
2001-05-29 14:55       ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-09  9:15         ` Kent Dahl
2001-05-29 21:25       ` Wes Groleau
2001-05-25  5:46 ` tmoran
2001-05-25  6:12 ` Patrick Logan
2001-05-25 11:25 ` Florian Weimer
2001-05-25 12:11 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-05-25 13:17 ` Marin David Condic
2001-05-25 17:35 ` tmoran
2001-05-25 19:17   ` Marin David Condic
2001-05-25 21:23   ` Jon Skeet
2001-05-26 21:28 ` Tom Spilman
2001-05-27 13:53   ` Gary Scott
2001-06-01 23:11 ` 00001111
2001-06-07 11:33 ` Phil K
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-06-28  4:01 Market pressures for more reliable software robin
2001-06-28  7:30 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-28 16:12   ` Dale King
2001-06-28 12:16 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-29 12:14 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-01 13:55 robin
2001-07-06  0:09 R. Vowels
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