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From: "Marin David Condic" <marin.condic.auntie.spam@pacemicro.com>
Subject: Re: Long names are doom ?
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 10:28:04 -0400
Date: 2001-06-05T14:28:07+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9fiq9n$3ka$1@nh.pace.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: q81pht43ib89sjop0i245bvs502416t1tp@4ax.com

If you like maintainability - you probably want to look seriously at Ada.
That was one of the design goals of the language. There are lots of examples
on the net of well structured Ada code that I believe illustrate how it can
be used to develop more easily maintained systems. (I like to think the code
on my web page is very readable & maintainable. Take a look at some of it
at: http://www.mcondic.com/ There are plenty of other examples & a good
place to start is at http://www.adapower.org/)

I'd have to disagree on the notion that "terseness" in and of itself is
somehow going to contribute to clarity & maintainability. In my experience,
what counts much more is clarity of thought in the original design, a
logical breakdown of the problem into pieces, meaningful expression of the
design in the language of implementation (good names, comments, obvious
flow, etc.) and support from the environment for error detection and
correction. If expressing something in as few keystrokes as possible were
somehow going to lead to maintainability, then the answer would have been
things like APL - or even machine code. (Not many characters needed to
represent hex digits, right?)

If "terseness" is really another word for "abstraction" then I might be
inclined to agree. Saying in your code something like: Quick_Sort
(Some_Array) ; is obviously easier to understand than spelling out in great
detail the entire Quick Sort algorithm. Here the "terseness" is a way of
saying "There is this highly complex operation of sorting an array that you
don't need to bother trying to understand. Trust me. When I get back from
the call, your whole array will be sorted." That sort of "terseness" I'd
concede helps with maintenance - but I think it is more aptly named
"Abstraction" or "Functional Independence".

MDC
--
Marin David Condic
Senior Software Engineer
Pace Micro Technology Americas    www.pacemicro.com
Enabling the digital revolution
e-Mail:    marin.condic@pacemicro.com
Web:      http://www.mcondic.com/


"Roedy Green" <roedy@mindprod.com> wrote in message
news:q81pht43ib89sjop0i245bvs502416t1tp@4ax.com...
> On 4 Jun 2001 22:27:23 -0500, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry
> Kilgallen) wrote or quoted :
>
> >Since these are both your work, I think a more open statement than
> >"There is a general rule" would have been "I have a general rule".
>
> Being dreadfully modest, I doubt there are few other people in the
> world who, when they can't fall asleep at night worry about why the
> world's computer programs are not maintainable.  It has been a bit of
> an obsession of mine for a long time, going back before some of you
> were born.  I have done quite a bit of experimenting trying to find
> out what makes programs maintainable and unmaintainable.  Few others
> in the known universe have come near the number of posts I have done
> preaching the gospel of maintainability and the path to true
> salvation.
>
> Even the esteemed Bruce Eckel said I should write a book on the topic.
>
>
> For more detail, please look up the key words mentioned in this post in
> the Java Glossary at: http://mindprod.com/gloss.html
> If you don't see what you were looking for, complain!
> or send your contribution for the glossary.
>
> --
> Roedy Green, Canadian Mind Products
> Custom computer programming since 1963. Ready to take on new work.





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2001-05-25  2:02 Long names are doom ? 00001111
2001-05-25  2:25 ` Chris Smith
2001-05-25  3:37   ` Jan Schaumann
2001-05-25  5:18     ` (null)
2001-05-25  6:12       ` Patricia Shanahan
2001-05-25 11:41     ` Charles Demas
2001-05-25  2:55 ` Larry Elmore
2001-05-25  3:21 ` Patricia Shanahan
2001-05-25  3:24   ` Roedy Green
2001-05-25  6:19   ` Jim Monty
2001-05-25  7:32     ` Jon Skeet
2001-05-25 12:23     ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-06 10:40     ` John
2001-06-08  3:24       ` Larry Elmore
2001-05-25 15:46   ` Everett M. Greene
2001-05-26 22:25   ` AG
2001-05-27 16:52     ` Shankar Unni
2001-05-27 19:02       ` Gary Scott
2001-05-27 19:36         ` Jon Skeet
2001-05-27 21:36           ` Gary Scott
2001-05-28  3:22         ` Roedy Green
2001-05-29 21:17     ` Wes Groleau
2001-05-30 12:04       ` Chris Smith
2001-06-01 11:39         ` Alvaro Segura
2001-06-01 13:50           ` Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen
2001-06-01 14:20             ` Marco Schmidt
2001-06-01 14:22             ` Choosing proper object names (was: Long names are doom ?) Ted Dennison
2001-06-04 16:32               ` Ray Blaak
2001-06-01 15:09             ` Long names are doom ? Marin David Condic
2001-06-01 18:54               ` Roedy Green
2001-06-01 19:38                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-01 21:08                   ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-02  5:29                     ` AG
2001-06-05 19:27                       ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-05 22:22                         ` Chris Uzdavinis
2001-06-06  0:13                           ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-06  9:33                             ` John English
2001-06-08  3:26                               ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-08 17:48                                 ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-08 22:47                                   ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-09  2:30                                     ` Patricia Shanahan
2001-06-09  2:08                                   ` Adam Beneschan
2001-06-08 13:20                               ` James Kanze
2001-06-08 13:38                                 ` John English
2001-06-08 17:07                                   ` Chris Uzdavinis
2001-06-08 13:16                         ` James Kanze
2001-06-02  5:51                     ` Simon Wright
2001-06-04 15:05                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-04 15:46                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-04 22:26                         ` Roedy Green
2001-06-05 11:42                           ` John English
2001-06-05 13:25                           ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-05 20:59                             ` Roedy Green
2001-06-05 21:15                             ` Roedy Green
2001-06-06 13:25                               ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-06 13:44                               ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-06 14:12                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-06 21:01                                 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-06 22:16                                   ` Gary Scott
2001-06-07  2:32                               ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-08 13:27                                 ` James Kanze
2001-06-08 14:37                                   ` Gary Scott
2001-06-13 12:31                                   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-05 19:44                           ` Dirk Bosmans
2001-06-05 21:47                             ` Roedy Green
2001-06-08 13:29                               ` James Kanze
2001-06-13 12:33                                 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-13 20:38                                   ` Roedy Green
2001-06-14  0:00                                     ` Jerry Petrey
2001-06-14 13:03                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-14 19:23                                       ` Conrad Schneiker
2001-06-05  0:40                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05  1:53                           ` Roedy Green
2001-06-05  1:55                           ` Roedy Green
2001-06-05  9:17                             ` Blaikie
2001-06-05 17:24                             ` Gary Scott
2001-06-05  3:27                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05  7:13                             ` Roedy Green
2001-06-05  9:20                               ` Blaikie
2001-06-05  9:35                                 ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-05  9:40                                   ` Blaikie
2001-06-05  9:57                                     ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-05 10:29                                       ` Blaikie
2001-06-05 13:46                                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-05 11:44                               ` John English
2001-06-05 14:28                               ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2001-06-05 15:56                             ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05 15:58                             ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05 17:03                               ` Jon Skeet
     [not found]                             ` <q81pht43ib89sjop0Organization <+FWVg+noA0yk@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-06-05 20:27                               ` Steve Bellenot
2001-06-05 21:55                                 ` Blaikie
2001-06-06  6:37                                   ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-06  8:18                                     ` Blaikie
2001-06-06  8:31                                       ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-06  8:58                                         ` Blaikie
2001-06-06 21:05                                       ` Roedy Green
2001-06-07 10:16                                         ` Jonathan Revusky
2001-06-08 14:06                                           ` James Kanze
2001-06-08 14:01                                     ` James Kanze
2001-06-05  3:32                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05  4:13                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05 19:59                         ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-05 20:47                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-05 23:08                             ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-06  9:14                               ` John English
2001-06-06 13:30                                 ` Creative? (was: Long names ....) Wes Groleau
2001-06-06 21:08                                 ` Long names are doom ? Pete Thompson
2001-06-06 11:30                               ` David Gillon
2001-06-06 15:26                                 ` Gary Scott
2001-06-06 21:17                                   ` Roedy Green
2001-06-07  8:10                                   ` John English
2001-06-07 21:58                                     ` Commenting code Roedy Green
2001-06-07 22:07                                       ` Jane Williams
2001-06-08  3:37                                         ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-08 13:27                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-07 23:25                                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-07 23:17                                         ` Roedy Green
2001-06-08 14:17                                           ` James Kanze
2001-06-08  1:44                                       ` John English
2001-06-08  2:00                                         ` John English
2001-06-08  3:10                                         ` Roedy Green
2001-06-08  5:56                                           ` Roedy Green
2001-06-08 11:50                                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-08 13:45                                           ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-08 14:24                                           ` James Kanze
2001-06-08 18:57                                             ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-11 10:38                                               ` James Kanze
2001-06-11 17:41                                                 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-13 12:44                                                 ` Alvaro Segura
2001-06-13 13:46                                                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-13 15:20                                                     ` Bill
2001-06-13 15:35                                                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-15 15:37                                                         ` John English
2001-06-15 19:59                                                           ` Karl Schmidt
2001-06-15  9:06                                                   ` tt
2001-06-08 15:42                                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-11 10:41                                           ` James Kanze
2001-06-11 13:18                                             ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-12  8:36                                               ` James Kanze
2001-06-08 18:47                                         ` Off-Topic "football" Wes Groleau
2001-06-08 13:42                                       ` Commenting code Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-08 15:22                                         ` Donald L. Dobbs
2001-06-11 21:30                                           ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-11 21:53                                             ` Commenting code (a plea) Dave Thomas
2001-06-13 12:03                                           ` Commenting code Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-13 18:13                                             ` Donald L. Dobbs
2001-06-14 12:43                                               ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-14 16:22                                                 ` Donald L. Dobbs
2001-06-14 19:20                                                   ` Conrad Schneiker
2001-06-14 21:43                                                     ` Roedy Green
2001-06-14 22:48                                                       ` Michael Mauch
2001-06-15 16:36                                                       ` Charles Hixson
2001-06-17  2:09                                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-08 16:18                                       ` Ray Blaak
2001-06-08 16:45                                         ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-09  0:37                                           ` Ray Blaak
2001-06-08 23:18                                         ` Roedy Green
2001-06-06 21:19                                 ` Long names are doom ? Pete Thompson
2001-06-07 11:39                                   ` David Gillon
2001-06-07  2:46                                 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-06 15:25                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-06 22:53                                 ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-07 11:36                                   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-07 22:01                                     ` Roedy Green
2001-06-07 22:20                                       ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-08 14:20                                       ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-07 13:58                                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-07 16:22                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-07 18:14                                     ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-07 18:59                                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-07 20:30                                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-07 19:46                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-07 20:20                                           ` Benjamin.Altman
2001-06-07 21:52                                             ` Blaikie
2001-06-07 22:35                                               ` Roedy Green
2001-06-07 22:04                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-07 23:06                                               ` Eric The Read
2001-06-08 13:43                                                 ` Off Topic: Hot Coffee (was Re: Long names are doom ?) Marin David Condic
2001-06-11 20:51                                                   ` Re(ally): " Paul Graham
2001-06-12 19:43                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-07 23:14                                               ` Long names are doom ? Dan Mercer
2001-06-08  0:08                                               ` Roedy Green
2001-06-09  6:10                                               ` Dale King
2001-06-11 16:28                                                 ` software suits, was " tmoran
2001-06-11 19:13                                                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-11 18:47                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-12  5:31                                                       ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-12 13:40                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-12 13:34                                                       ` Dale King
2001-06-12 20:23                                                         ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-12 21:28                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-13  8:18                                                             ` James Kanze
2001-06-13 14:26                                                               ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-13 15:14                                                             ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-13 16:30                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-15  5:05                                                             ` Dale King
2001-06-12 21:09                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-13  1:38                                                         ` software lawsuits Roedy Green
2001-06-13  2:29                                                           ` Otis Bricker
2001-06-12 13:20                                                   ` software suits, was Re: Long names are doom ? Dale King
2001-06-13  8:28                                                     ` James Kanze
2001-06-15  5:09                                                       ` Dale King
2001-06-12  8:42                                                 ` James Kanze
2001-06-12 14:12                                                   ` Shrink-wrap licenses (was: Long names are doom ?) Ted Dennison
2001-06-12 15:01                                                   ` Long names are doom ? Dan Mercer
2001-06-12 17:16                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-12 21:21                                                       ` Dan Mercer
2001-06-12 22:07                                                         ` Off Topic: Legal Issues In Software - was " Marin David Condic
2001-06-13  3:54                                                         ` Roedy Green
2001-06-13 11:14                                                           ` Philip Anderson
2001-06-13 11:35                                                           ` Software Licensing (was: Long names are doom) Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-13 13:48                                                           ` Long names are doom ? Marin David Condic
2001-06-13 14:57                                                             ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-13 16:22                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-13 19:48                                                                 ` Market pressures for more reliable software Roedy Green
2001-06-13 20:42                                                                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-13 21:27                                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-14  5:09                                                                       ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-14 14:15                                                                         ` Ada Developer's Cooperative License (was) " Marin David Condic
2001-06-14 18:51                                                                           ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-14 21:09                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-15  3:56                                                                               ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-15 13:55                                                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-21  7:11                                                                             ` Colin Paul Gloster
2001-06-22 15:32                                                                               ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-14 14:19                                                                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-14 14:53                                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-14 15:55                                                                           ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-15 15:21                                                                           ` Gautier
2001-06-15 15:36                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-18 16:26                                                                           ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-14 15:30                                                                         ` Ed Jensen
2001-06-14 16:11                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-14 17:32                                                                             ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-14 17:55                                                                               ` Charles Hixson
2001-06-14 20:10                                                                                 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-16 23:48                                                                                   ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-14 20:09                                                                               ` Roedy Green
2001-06-14 21:43                                                                                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-16  2:41                                                                                   ` Roedy Green
2001-06-16 23:08                                                                                     ` Joseph T. Adams
2001-06-18 14:23                                                                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-15  3:44                                                                                 ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-18 16:53                                                                                   ` Wes Groleau
2001-08-07  1:08                                                                                 ` The Ghost In The Machine
2001-08-07  2:38                                                                                   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-08-13 14:14                                                                                     ` The Ghost In The Machine
2001-06-15  6:59                                                                               ` Joseph T. Adams
2001-06-15 15:43                                                                               ` Ed Jensen
2001-06-16  2:45                                                                                 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-16  2:45                                                                                 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-16 14:25                                                                                   ` James A. Robertson
2001-06-16 17:48                                                                                     ` Roedy Green
2001-06-16 19:16                                                                                       ` James A. Robertson
2001-06-18 14:49                                                                                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-18 15:46                                                                                     ` Al Christians
2001-06-18 16:16                                                                                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-18 17:09                                                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-18 18:02                                                                                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-18 18:04                                                                                         ` Al Christians
2001-06-18 20:06                                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-18 21:43                                                                                         ` tmoran
2001-06-18 21:29                                                                                       ` Charles Hixson
2001-06-18 22:23                                                                                         ` Al Christians
2001-06-20 15:49                                                                                           ` Charles Hixson
2001-06-19 12:18                                                                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-16 22:30                                                                               ` Florian Weimer
2001-06-14 17:56                                                                         ` David Chase
2001-06-16 14:22                                                                         ` James A. Robertson
2001-06-16 23:23                                                                           ` Al Christians
2001-06-17  1:38                                                                             ` tmoran
2001-06-18 13:59                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-18 13:49                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-19 12:09                                                                             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-19 14:23                                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-20  4:33                                                                                 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-20 15:55                                                                                 ` Charles Hixson
2001-06-20 16:55                                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-20 23:55                                                                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-20 18:38                                                                                 ` Roedy Green
     [not found]                                                                         ` <tM4W6.14397$Dd5.34 <3B28FAD5.5FFB643F@world.std.com>
2001-06-17  2:38                                                                           ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-13 22:42                                                                     ` tmoran
2001-06-13 22:44                                                                   ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-14 16:57                                                                     ` Charles Hixson
2001-06-14 13:09                                                                   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-14 14:28                                                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-14 20:25                                                                     ` Roedy Green
2001-06-17  2:43                                                                       ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-13 22:02                                                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-14 14:47                                                                 ` Long names are doom ? Wes Groleau
2001-06-21  1:41                                                                 ` Market pressures for more reliable software Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-21  1:38                                                             ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                                             ` <kbLV6.6795$pb1.259296@www.nOrganization: LJK Software <aPN5ieyHFSfT@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-06-21 14:20                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-24 22:31                                                               ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-25  0:01                                                                 ` Ken Garlington
2001-06-25 12:50                                                                   ` Ken Garlington
2001-06-26 11:52                                                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-27  9:41                                                                       ` Gary Labowitz
2001-06-27 21:09                                                                         ` Roedy Green
2001-06-28  0:31                                                                           ` tmoran
2001-06-28 11:45                                                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-25  8:09                                                                 ` Gary Labowitz
2001-06-25 14:13                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-25 15:35                                                                     ` David C. Hoos
2001-06-25 16:50                                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-25 17:08                                                                       ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-25 21:32                                                                         ` Al Christians
2001-07-02  4:49                                                                         ` David Thompson
2001-06-26 12:02                                                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-26 12:48                                                                       ` David C. Hoos
2001-06-26 14:08                                                                       ` Al Christians
2001-06-26 15:00                                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-26 15:41                                                                           ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-27  3:33                                                                           ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-27 13:31                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-26 17:39                                                                         ` tmoran
2001-06-26 16:26                                                                       ` Roedy Green
2001-06-28 11:50                                                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-28 21:32                                                                           ` Roedy Green
2001-06-28 12:20                                                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-01  0:50                                                                       ` Lao Xiao Hai
2001-07-02 11:41                                                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-03  6:43                                                                           ` Lao Xiao Hai
2001-07-04 14:40                                                                             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-04 21:00                                                                               ` Phil Robyn
2001-07-05 11:12                                                                                 ` Gary Labowitz
2001-07-05 17:00                                                                                   ` Phil Robyn
2001-07-05 11:10                                                                               ` Gary Labowitz
2001-07-05 13:27                                                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-06  2:47                                                                                   ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-06 23:24                                                                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-07 17:45                                                                                       ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-08  2:54                                                                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
     [not found]                                                                                         ` <3B47CB75.234C0543@acm.or g>
2001-07-16  0:56                                                                                           ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-16 12:03                                                                                             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-16 17:37                                                                                               ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-17  0:18                                                                                                 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-20 15:48                                                                                                   ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-22 15:37                                                                                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-23  2:44                                                                                                       ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-23 10:09                                                                                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-23 11:35                                                                                                           ` [OT] " Ken Garlington
2001-07-24  0:56                                                                                                             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-24 12:02                                                                                                               ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-06 23:15                                                                                   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-06 23:11                                                                                 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-13 15:22                                                         ` Long names are doom ? Wes Groleau
2001-06-14 12:51                                                       ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-14 13:49                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-17  2:28                                                           ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-13  8:39                                                     ` James Kanze
2001-06-13  9:51                                                       ` Blaikie
2001-06-13 15:41                                                         ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-13 17:35                                                           ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-13 20:19                                                           ` Roedy Green
2001-06-13 22:04                                                             ` Software Lawsuits (was: LOng names are doom ?) Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-14 13:56                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-15 15:50                                                             ` Long names are doom ? John English
2001-06-14 12:53                                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-08  3:54                                           ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-08  4:50                                             ` Gary Labowitz
2001-06-12 22:57                                               ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-08  5:59                                             ` Roedy Green
2001-06-08 17:06                                               ` Eric The Read
2001-06-08 23:20                                                 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-08 22:55                                               ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-08 13:52                                             ` Off Topic: Stupid Bureaucrats (was Re: Long names are doom ?) Marin David Condic
2001-06-08 14:45                                               ` Philip Anderson
2001-06-08 16:51                                                 ` Earl R Coker
2001-06-09  1:23                                                 ` Blaikie
2001-06-08 16:26                                               ` Chris Smith
2001-06-08 16:41                                                 ` Long Threads are doom? " Benjamin.Altman
2001-06-08 23:57                                                 ` Off Topic: Stupid Bureaucrats " Roedy Green
2001-06-08 23:52                                               ` mismatch between actual threat and perceived threat Roedy Green
2001-06-11 13:25                                                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-11 17:46                                                   ` Roedy Green
     [not found]                                               ` <vcn2itcjoscsqfppcmrabm2441uuvblfoa@4ax.c <wF3V6.3766$pb1.137507@www.newsranger.com>
2001-06-11 13:46                                                 ` mismatch between actual relevant newsgroups and perceived relevant newsgroups Kenny McCormack
2001-06-17  0:34                                                   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-11 13:54                                               ` Off Topic: Stupid Bureaucrats (was Re: Long names are doom ?) Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-06-07 19:44                                     ` Long names are doom ? tmoran
2001-06-07 17:37                                   ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-08 14:31                                   ` James Kanze
2001-06-08 18:19                                     ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-09  1:15                                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-11 10:52                                         ` James Kanze
2001-06-13 12:37                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-09  3:51                                     ` Patricia Shanahan
2001-06-11 10:56                                       ` James Kanze
2001-06-09 12:06                                 ` Memory Allocation without pointer arithmetic ? (was: Long names...) Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                 ` <vj7tht0jkrkoivki4lsadlivgghdr0Organization: LJK Software <9BiaJoj4VeFk@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-06-09 12:34                                   ` Patricia Shanahan
2001-06-10  6:56                                   ` Mark Yudkin
     [not found]                                 ` <vj7tht0jkrkoivki4lsadlivgghdr0Organization <9BiaJoj4VeFk@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-06-09 14:58                                   ` Kenny McCormack
2001-06-09 21:46                                     ` Jane Williams
2001-06-10 14:04                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-10 14:15                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                 ` <vj7tht0jkrkoivki4lsadlivgghdr0Organization <$l53AZgRoQvs@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-06-10 14:17                                   ` Kenny McCormack
     [not found]                                 ` <vj7tht0jkrkoivki4lsadlivgghdr0Organization: LJK Software <uR1t+dk$wTpD@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-06-10 18:24                                   ` Chris Smith
2001-06-06 21:10                               ` Long names are doom ? Roedy Green
2001-06-07  2:20                               ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-07 18:27                                 ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-08 14:12                                   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
     [not found]                         ` <pb2ohtgs64jhssmmohpq5qr7nmcsq6119c@4a <Bh0r7ajFbl7x@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-06-05 20:35                           ` Simon Wright
2001-06-05 19:56                       ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-05 20:46                         ` Simon Wright
2001-06-07  2:11                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-07 15:34                           ` Dale King
2001-06-08  4:38                             ` Donald L. Dobbs
     [not found]                               ` <GELwCw.K0r@approve.se>
2001-06-09  9:23                                 ` AG
     [not found]                                   ` <GEnxK3.3n8@approve.se>
2001-06-09 21:01                                     ` AG
2001-06-13 12:23                               ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-13 12:17                             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-15 15:53                               ` John English
2001-06-07 18:26                           ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-08 14:09                             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-17 12:41                           ` HarryO
2001-06-05 11:24                     ` John English
2001-06-05 13:53                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-05 14:10                         ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-05 16:02                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-08 14:47                         ` James Kanze
2001-06-08 17:43                           ` tmoran
2001-06-10  1:26                             ` AG
2001-06-05 12:53                     ` Philip Anderson
2001-06-05 14:29                     ` James Kanze
2001-06-05 14:52                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-05 16:05                         ` Philip Anderson
2001-06-05 16:41                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-06  4:28                             ` Dale King
2001-06-06  9:07                             ` Philip Anderson
2001-06-06  9:21                             ` John English
2001-06-06 13:46                               ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-06 15:29                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-06 11:37                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05 19:52                         ` Matthew Woodcraft
2001-06-07 10:26                         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-06-07 16:07                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-08  9:45                             ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-06-08 14:52                             ` James Kanze
     [not found]                           ` <9fo8sb$qrc$1@n <3B20E6C9.562E8BE6@dresdner-bank.com>
2001-06-09  6:00                             ` Simon Wright
2001-06-05 16:04                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05 14:26                 ` James Kanze
2001-06-05 14:45                   ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-08 14:55                     ` James Kanze
2001-06-01 20:32               ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-02  4:27               ` AG
2001-06-01 17:33             ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-02  6:19               ` Simon Wright
2001-06-04 14:22                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-01 18:48             ` Roedy Green
2001-06-02 20:28               ` Edward Rosten
2001-06-05 14:23             ` James Kanze
2001-06-01 14:18           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-01 15:35           ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-01 15:41             ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-01 20:44               ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-02 17:31                 ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-05 11:52                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-06-05 12:13                     ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-05 11:52         ` John English
2001-05-30 14:14       ` Marin David Condic
2001-05-30 20:50         ` Roedy Green
2001-06-04  0:37         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-04 14:41           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-04 22:33             ` Roedy Green
2001-06-05 14:40               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-05 14:49             ` James Kanze
2001-05-25  5:42 ` Steve Bellenot
2001-05-25 11:39   ` Peter Fitzgibbons
2001-05-25 13:34   ` Marin David Condic
2001-05-25 19:31     ` Roedy Green
2001-05-25 20:23       ` Larry Hazel
2001-05-26  0:39       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-05-29  9:41       ` John English
2001-05-29 19:32         ` Roedy Green
2001-05-29 20:35           ` Marin David Condic
2001-05-29 14:55       ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-09  9:15         ` Kent Dahl
2001-05-29 21:25       ` Wes Groleau
2001-05-25  5:46 ` tmoran
2001-05-25  6:12 ` Patrick Logan
2001-05-25 11:25 ` Florian Weimer
2001-05-25 12:11 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-05-25 13:17 ` Marin David Condic
2001-05-25 17:35 ` tmoran
2001-05-25 19:17   ` Marin David Condic
2001-05-25 21:23   ` Jon Skeet
2001-05-26 21:28 ` Tom Spilman
2001-05-27 13:53   ` Gary Scott
2001-06-01 23:11 ` 00001111
2001-06-07 11:33 ` Phil K
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-05-26  1:27 robin
2001-05-26  1:29 robin
2001-05-26  1:56 ` Jonas Lindstr�m
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