* Computer Weekly survey: Ada does well again @ 2001-05-18 16:14 Ian Clifton 2001-05-18 21:06 ` Tarjei T. Jensen 2001-05-19 9:06 ` Tarjei T. Jensen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Ian Clifton @ 2001-05-18 16:14 UTC (permalink / raw) This has come up before in comp.lang.ada, but it's nice to see that Ada has done well again in the regular Computer Weekly "Skills most in demand" survey, based on UK job advertisements. Ada is up 34% to position 15, the only programming language in the list of top 25 skills to increase in demand. C++, Java, Visual Basic and C still occupy higher positions, but all fell by between 29% and 40%. -- Ian Clifton Phone: +44 1865 275631 Dyson Perrins Laboratory Fax: +44 1865 275674 Oxford University OX1 3QY UK ian.clifton@linacre.ox.ac.uk ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Computer Weekly survey: Ada does well again 2001-05-18 16:14 Computer Weekly survey: Ada does well again Ian Clifton @ 2001-05-18 21:06 ` Tarjei T. Jensen 2001-05-18 21:33 ` Marin David Condic 2001-05-19 9:06 ` Tarjei T. Jensen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Tarjei T. Jensen @ 2001-05-18 21:06 UTC (permalink / raw) Ian Clifton wrote >This has come up before in comp.lang.ada, but it's nice to see that >Ada has done well again in the regular Computer Weekly "Skills most in >demand" survey, based on UK job advertisements. Ada is up 34% to >position 15, the only programming language in the list of top 25 >skills to increase in demand. C++, Java, Visual Basic and C still >occupy higher positions, but all fell by between 29% and 40%. The arcticle is named "Falling down" and is dated 16-May-2001. I found it by searching for "skill survey ada" on the advanced search page. The start date was 01 april 2001. Greetings, ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Computer Weekly survey: Ada does well again 2001-05-18 21:06 ` Tarjei T. Jensen @ 2001-05-18 21:33 ` Marin David Condic 2001-05-18 22:38 ` Tarjei T. Jensen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Marin David Condic @ 2001-05-18 21:33 UTC (permalink / raw) I am guessing this is a play on the movie of the same title? (Premise: Laid off C++/Java programmers with outdated skills find themselves unemployable and "go postal"?) MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Tarjei T. Jensen" <tarjei.jensen@kvaerner.com> wrote in message news:9e42t5$2qf1@news.kvaerner.com... > The arcticle is named "Falling down" and is dated 16-May-2001. > > I found it by searching for "skill survey ada" on the advanced search page. > The start date was 01 april 2001. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Computer Weekly survey: Ada does well again 2001-05-18 21:33 ` Marin David Condic @ 2001-05-18 22:38 ` Tarjei T. Jensen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Tarjei T. Jensen @ 2001-05-18 22:38 UTC (permalink / raw) Marin David Condic wrote in message <9e44es$mkd$1@nh.pace.co.uk>... >I am guessing this is a play on the movie of the same title? (Premise: Laid >off C++/Java programmers with outdated skills find themselves unemployable >and "go postal"?) Probably. Although "unemployable" is a bit strong. Although those in question might feel that way until the situation stabilizes. Greetings, ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Computer Weekly survey: Ada does well again 2001-05-18 16:14 Computer Weekly survey: Ada does well again Ian Clifton 2001-05-18 21:06 ` Tarjei T. Jensen @ 2001-05-19 9:06 ` Tarjei T. Jensen 2001-05-21 13:54 ` Marin David Condic 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Tarjei T. Jensen @ 2001-05-19 9:06 UTC (permalink / raw) The article can be found at the bottom of http://www.cw360.com/article&rd=&i=&ard=101919 Greetings, ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Computer Weekly survey: Ada does well again 2001-05-19 9:06 ` Tarjei T. Jensen @ 2001-05-21 13:54 ` Marin David Condic 2001-05-21 16:24 ` Martin Dowie ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Marin David Condic @ 2001-05-21 13:54 UTC (permalink / raw) The relevant quote is: =============================================== The other top 25 skill to show growth relative to the first quarter of 2000 is Ada, which is enjoying the greatest popularity it has ever known. It featured in 530 ads this time, placing it 15th. ================================================ That's an interesting number - I wish we had information about this for the US - not just the UK. I'd suspect that Ada is doing better in the UK than in the US - but that's gut reaction, not data. But of course if Ada usage expands anywhere, that is a good thing because it is likely to spill over into other markets eventually. And then: ============================================== None of the Ada requirement came from the public sector. Software houses accounted for well over a third of the Ada opportunities, while one in 10 of these jobs was offered by a computer supplier - in this sector league table Ada lies third, behind only C and C++. ============================================== Its nice to know Ada is doing so well outside of government circles. Maybe it is an example of "Military Intelligence"? As the military abandons Ada to start trend-following, the private sector starts "discovering" Ada. Not sure what they mean by "Software Houses". Would that be vendors such as Microsoft who are building products for sale or would that be companies providing some form of software services to non-computer-businesses? What is a "Software House"? What do they do? How big are they on average? And what are they specifically doing with Ada? Similarly, what is meant by "computer supplier"? And why would they want Ada programmers? Would we be talking about a computer manufacturer like IBM or Compaq? And if so, what would they be doing with Ada? ================================================= Among other industries, Ada is most in demand in the engineering sector, which again accounts for one in 10 of the jobs on offer. Here also Ada is in third place, behind C and C++ again. Engineering companies are also keen on Pascal and account for fully a half of all demand for this language. ================================================= That makes sense. In engineering applications, the emphasis is not so heavily skewed towards time-to-market where the language with the spiffiest development kit & accesories to leverage make the language a winner. In the engineering realm, one is more apt to be concentrating on a central core of code that is complex, has to work properly, and will stick around for a good long time. GUI building, databases, etc. (while they are used and are important) do not become the focal point, so Ada's relative lack of development accessories doesn't hurt it so much. Its benefits get to shine. I think that suggests where to focus the Ada marketing effort. MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Tarjei T. Jensen" <tarjei.jensen@kvaerner.com> wrote in message news:9e5d32$2qf4@news.kvaerner.com... > The article can be found at the bottom of > http://www.cw360.com/article&rd=&i=&ard=101919 > > Greetings, > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Computer Weekly survey: Ada does well again 2001-05-21 13:54 ` Marin David Condic @ 2001-05-21 16:24 ` Martin Dowie 2001-05-21 20:16 ` Mark 2001-05-22 8:41 ` Philip Anderson 2 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Martin Dowie @ 2001-05-21 16:24 UTC (permalink / raw) I met someone (hi Jorg!) from Philips Semiconductor at Ada-Europe 2001, who use it in machine control in chip fabrication plants (if I'm not correct in this perhaps Jorg could help!) > Would we be talking about a computer manufacturer like IBM or > Compaq? And if so, what would they be doing with Ada? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Computer Weekly survey: Ada does well again 2001-05-21 13:54 ` Marin David Condic 2001-05-21 16:24 ` Martin Dowie @ 2001-05-21 20:16 ` Mark 2001-05-22 8:41 ` Philip Anderson 2 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Mark @ 2001-05-21 20:16 UTC (permalink / raw) Marin David Condic <marin.condic.auntie.spam@pacemicro.com> wrote in message news:9eb6md$3bt$1@nh.pace.co.uk... > The relevant quote is: > > ================================================= > Among other industries, Ada is most in demand in the engineering sector, > which again accounts for one in 10 of the jobs on offer. Here also Ada is in > third place, behind C and C++ again. Engineering companies are also keen on > Pascal and account for fully a half of all demand for this language. > ================================================= > > That makes sense. In engineering applications, the emphasis is not so > heavily skewed towards time-to-market where the language with the spiffiest > development kit & accesories to leverage make the language a winner. In the > engineering realm, one is more apt to be concentrating on a central core of > code that is complex, has to work properly, and will stick around for a good > long time. GUI building, databases, etc. (while they are used and are > important) do not become the focal point, so Ada's relative lack of > development accessories doesn't hurt it so much. Its benefits get to shine. > > I think that suggests where to focus the Ada marketing effort. > > MDC > -- > Marin David Condic > Senior Software Engineer > Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com > Enabling the digital revolution > e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com > Web: http://www.mcondic.com/ From an industrial engineer's view, outside of the computer programming industry, I too have noticed the increase in demand for Ada skilled programmers in the UK. Most of it being military applications though, particlarly because of the Eurofighter project. I am seriously considering Ada when looking to work in the programming industry. (I'll probably be too late for the gold rush, but what the heck!) Mark Antony (Yes the one and only) P.S How do the words go in that song.... Military Intelligence, two words combined that can't make sense! (MegaDeth 1988) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Computer Weekly survey: Ada does well again 2001-05-21 13:54 ` Marin David Condic 2001-05-21 16:24 ` Martin Dowie 2001-05-21 20:16 ` Mark @ 2001-05-22 8:41 ` Philip Anderson 2 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Philip Anderson @ 2001-05-22 8:41 UTC (permalink / raw) Marin David Condic wrote: > <snip> > Its nice to know Ada is doing so well outside of government circles. Maybe > it is an example of "Military Intelligence"? As the military abandons Ada to > start trend-following, the private sector starts "discovering" Ada. No, there are still plenty of Defence projects written in Ada, but the software is written within the private sector not by Government employees. The trend for years has been for the MoD to do less of its own work and subcontract everything out to Prime Contractors who in turn will subcontract to other companies including Software Houses - now systems tend to be PC-based, companies which used to supply their own computers with a system now just supply software. -- hwyl/cheers, Philip Anderson Alenia Marconi Systems Cwmbr�n, Cymru/Wales ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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