* Somewhat on Topic: Word Processing @ 2003-03-05 15:46 Frank J. Lhota 2003-03-05 20:40 ` Dave Head 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Frank J. Lhota @ 2003-03-05 15:46 UTC (permalink / raw) Would WordStar have survived if it was rewritten in Ada? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Somewhat on Topic: Word Processing 2003-03-05 15:46 Somewhat on Topic: Word Processing Frank J. Lhota @ 2003-03-05 20:40 ` Dave Head 2003-03-05 21:09 ` Frank J. Lhota ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Dave Head @ 2003-03-05 20:40 UTC (permalink / raw) "Frank J. Lhota" <NOSPAM.lhota.adarose@verizon.net> wrote in message news:JZo9a.25710$8f7.21367@nwrdny02.gnilink.net... > Would WordStar have survived if it was rewritten in Ada? No. The thing that killed WordStar is having to memorize all those keyboard key combinations. Nobody wants to do that. Its also why EMACS hasn't taken over the world's programming consoles except on those owned by people with really, really good memories. Dave Head ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Somewhat on Topic: Word Processing 2003-03-05 20:40 ` Dave Head @ 2003-03-05 21:09 ` Frank J. Lhota 2003-03-05 21:47 ` Pascal Obry ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Frank J. Lhota @ 2003-03-05 21:09 UTC (permalink / raw) "Dave Head" <rally2xs@compuserve.com> wrote in message news:b45n94$bad$1@oanews.nswc.navy.mil... > No. The thing that killed WordStar is having to memorize all those keyboard > key combinations. Nobody wants to do that. Its also why EMACS hasn't taken > over the world's programming consoles except on those owned by people with > really, really good memories. And yet back when WordStar was king, so many people were familiar with the WS key combinations that other applications used that interface. Of course, after the mass exodus to WordPerfect, these same apps began to look a little silly. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Somewhat on Topic: Word Processing 2003-03-05 20:40 ` Dave Head 2003-03-05 21:09 ` Frank J. Lhota @ 2003-03-05 21:47 ` Pascal Obry 2003-03-05 22:37 ` Robert A Duff 2003-03-05 21:56 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG 2003-03-06 7:18 ` Preben Randhol 3 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Pascal Obry @ 2003-03-05 21:47 UTC (permalink / raw) "Dave Head" <rally2xs@compuserve.com> writes: > No. The thing that killed WordStar is having to memorize all those keyboard > key combinations. Nobody wants to do that. Its also why EMACS hasn't taken > over the world's programming consoles except on those owned by people with > really, really good memories. This is wrong. I'm an heavy Emacs user and for sure I don't have a good memory! Anyway completely OT ;) Pascal. -- --|------------------------------------------------------ --| Pascal Obry Team-Ada Member --| 45, rue Gabriel Peri - 78114 Magny Les Hameaux FRANCE --|------------------------------------------------------ --| http://perso.wanadoo.fr/pascal.obry --| "The best way to travel is by means of imagination" --| --| gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-key C1082595 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Somewhat on Topic: Word Processing 2003-03-05 21:47 ` Pascal Obry @ 2003-03-05 22:37 ` Robert A Duff 2003-03-05 23:29 ` DPH 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Robert A Duff @ 2003-03-05 22:37 UTC (permalink / raw) Pascal Obry <p.obry@wanadoo.fr> writes: > This is wrong. I'm an heavy Emacs user and for sure I don't have a > good memory! Anyway completely OT ;) You don't need a good memory to use Emacs. Your *fingers* need a good memory. ;-) - Bob ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Somewhat on Topic: Word Processing 2003-03-05 22:37 ` Robert A Duff @ 2003-03-05 23:29 ` DPH 2003-03-06 0:09 ` Frank J. Lhota ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: DPH @ 2003-03-05 23:29 UTC (permalink / raw) On 05 Mar 2003 17:37:47 -0500, Robert A Duff <bobduff@shell01.TheWorld.com> wrote: >Pascal Obry <p.obry@wanadoo.fr> writes: > >> This is wrong. I'm an heavy Emacs user and for sure I don't have a >> good memory! Anyway completely OT ;) > >You don't need a good memory to use Emacs. Your *fingers* need a good >memory. ;-) > >- Bob Yah, whatever... <G> Just got tired of looking up the same command for the 13th time, or getting stuck in some state that I didn't know how to get back to where I was and then spending 35 minutes rummaging around thru the help and then just finally getting out of the program and starting over, etc. Gimmie a pull-down menu every time... I'll learn the key combos by seeing it there for 500 or so times... and then just start using it, but without any time lost having to look it up again... and again... and again... I was gonna build a cheat sheet of commands until someone told me there are 100's of them. Knowing I'd never memorize 'em all, I went back to what I was using and uninstalled emacs. Never did get into Wordstar for more than a day... and that was back when I was 15 years younger and my memory was better. Dave Head ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Somewhat on Topic: Word Processing 2003-03-05 23:29 ` DPH @ 2003-03-06 0:09 ` Frank J. Lhota 2003-03-06 1:57 ` John R. Strohm 2003-03-06 19:45 ` Stephen Leake 2 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Frank J. Lhota @ 2003-03-06 0:09 UTC (permalink / raw) If you really, really loved the WordStar keystrokes, check out http://www.wordstar.org to get an MS Word add-in that emulates the WordStar commands. Yes, this is for real, I am not capable of making up something that crazy. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Somewhat on Topic: Word Processing 2003-03-05 23:29 ` DPH 2003-03-06 0:09 ` Frank J. Lhota @ 2003-03-06 1:57 ` John R. Strohm 2003-03-06 19:45 ` Stephen Leake 2 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: John R. Strohm @ 2003-03-06 1:57 UTC (permalink / raw) "DPH" <rally2xs@compuserve.com> wrote in message news:sm1d6vgo9rv7rhkkjj7cmjr1rdq63jj7ia@4ax.com... > Yah, whatever... <G> Just got tired of looking up the same command > for the 13th time, or getting stuck in some state that I didn't know > how to get back to where I was and then spending 35 minutes rummaging > around thru the help and then just finally getting out of the program > and starting over, etc. Gimmie a pull-down menu every time... I'll > learn the key combos by seeing it there for 500 or so times... and > then just start using it, but without any time lost having to look it > up again... and again... and again... > > I was gonna build a cheat sheet of commands until someone told me > there are 100's of them. Knowing I'd never memorize 'em all, I went > back to what I was using and uninstalled emacs. You don't have to build a cheat sheet. Emacs has it built-in. Control-H b describe-bindings does it for you. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Somewhat on Topic: Word Processing 2003-03-05 23:29 ` DPH 2003-03-06 0:09 ` Frank J. Lhota 2003-03-06 1:57 ` John R. Strohm @ 2003-03-06 19:45 ` Stephen Leake 2003-03-07 1:50 ` DPH 2 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Stephen Leake @ 2003-03-06 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw) DPH <rally2xs@compuserve.com> writes: > [about Emacs] Gimmie a pull-down menu every time... Emacs has pull-down menus, for the most common operations. It also has a very easily accessed complete list of the key bindings. Yes, there is a lot to learn to use Emacs well; I've been using it for 15 years, and I'm still learning. Same goes for Ada, and for any powerful, complex, extremely useful system. > I was gonna build a cheat sheet of commands until someone told me > there are 100's of them. Knowing I'd never memorize 'em all, I went > back to what I was using and uninstalled emacs. Ok. You'll be less productive than me, so I'll survive better in the market place :). -- -- Stephe ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Somewhat on Topic: Word Processing 2003-03-06 19:45 ` Stephen Leake @ 2003-03-07 1:50 ` DPH 2003-03-07 15:06 ` Stephen Leake 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: DPH @ 2003-03-07 1:50 UTC (permalink / raw) On 06 Mar 2003 14:45:25 -0500, Stephen Leake <Stephen.A.Leake@nasa.gov> wrote: >DPH <rally2xs@compuserve.com> writes: > >> [about Emacs] Gimmie a pull-down menu every time... > >Emacs has pull-down menus, for the most common operations. The one I got hold of a couple years ago had nothing resembling pull-down menus. I was using it on Windows - maybe that's the difference. >It also has a very easily accessed complete list of the key bindings. >Yes, there is a lot to learn to use Emacs well; I've been using it for >15 years, and I'm still learning. Well, that's not encouraging - I'm going to retire in less than that... <G> >Same goes for Ada, and for any powerful, complex, extremely useful >system. > >> I was gonna build a cheat sheet of commands until someone told me >> there are 100's of them. Knowing I'd never memorize 'em all, I went >> back to what I was using and uninstalled emacs. > >Ok. You'll be less productive than me, so I'll survive better in the >market place :). Of course, its a basic tenent of software engineering that more time is spent in the design phase than in the code and test phase, so overall, I doubt an editor will be all that significant an impact. Plus, I use Microsoft Word, unless I'm in and IDE, and anything I want it to do that it doesn't do, I can pretty much use VBA and make it do it. I just don't much need colored keywords... I know what they are... <G> Dave Head ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Somewhat on Topic: Word Processing 2003-03-07 1:50 ` DPH @ 2003-03-07 15:06 ` Stephen Leake 2003-03-07 17:22 ` Pascal Obry 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Stephen Leake @ 2003-03-07 15:06 UTC (permalink / raw) DPH <rally2xs@compuserve.com> writes: > On 06 Mar 2003 14:45:25 -0500, Stephen Leake > <Stephen.A.Leake@nasa.gov> wrote: > > >DPH <rally2xs@compuserve.com> writes: > > > >> [about Emacs] Gimmie a pull-down menu every time... > > > >Emacs has pull-down menus, for the most common operations. > > The one I got hold of a couple years ago had nothing resembling > pull-down menus. I was using it on Windows - maybe that's the > difference. http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/ntemacs.html I've been using it for at least 5 years. > >Ok. You'll be less productive than me, so I'll survive better in the > >market place :). > > Of course, its a basic tenent of software engineering that more time > is spent in the design phase than in the code and test phase, so > overall, I doubt an editor will be all that significant an impact. It has a noticable impact for me. But that may just be my frustration level with the more primitive systems; I don't have hard data that says I'm twice as fast with Emacs as with Borland. But I suspect it's true. I have a similar difference in productivity between Ada and C++ (just to bring this back closer to on-topic :). Tools matter! > Plus, I use Microsoft Word, unless I'm in and IDE, and anything I > want it to do that it doesn't do, I can pretty much use VBA and make > it do it. Same for Emacs; I just write some elisp. And since I use LaTeX instead of Word, I only need one IDE! > I just don't much need colored keywords... I know what > they are... <G> Yes, but it really is easier (thus faster) to read if they color is right. It's amazingly painful to use an Emacs that has not yet been properly configured; the first thing I do is configure it, then get on with my work. But maybe that's just me. -- -- Stephe ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Somewhat on Topic: Word Processing 2003-03-07 15:06 ` Stephen Leake @ 2003-03-07 17:22 ` Pascal Obry 0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Pascal Obry @ 2003-03-07 17:22 UTC (permalink / raw) Stephen Leake <Stephen.A.Leake@nasa.gov> writes: > Yes, but it really is easier (thus faster) to read if they color is > right. It's amazingly painful to use an Emacs that has not yet been > properly configured; the first thing I do is configure it, then get on > with my work. But maybe that's just me. No that's not you. I have the exact same feeling. Tools are very important and a big factor in productivity. Why should computer science be different than other fields ? Try cutting your lawn with scissors :) Pascal. -- --|------------------------------------------------------ --| Pascal Obry Team-Ada Member --| 45, rue Gabriel Peri - 78114 Magny Les Hameaux FRANCE --|------------------------------------------------------ --| http://perso.wanadoo.fr/pascal.obry --| "The best way to travel is by means of imagination" --| --| gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-key C1082595 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Somewhat on Topic: Word Processing 2003-03-05 20:40 ` Dave Head 2003-03-05 21:09 ` Frank J. Lhota 2003-03-05 21:47 ` Pascal Obry @ 2003-03-05 21:56 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG 2003-03-06 14:06 ` Peter Hermann 2003-03-06 7:18 ` Preben Randhol 3 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Warren W. Gay VE3WWG @ 2003-03-05 21:56 UTC (permalink / raw) Dave Head wrote: > "Frank J. Lhota" <NOSPAM.lhota.adarose@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:JZo9a.25710$8f7.21367@nwrdny02.gnilink.net... > >>Would WordStar have survived if it was rewritten in Ada? > > > No. The thing that killed WordStar is having to memorize all those keyboard > key combinations. Nobody wants to do that. Its also why EMACS hasn't taken > over the world's programming consoles except on those owned by people with > really, really good memories. > > Dave Head Ha! I have a lousy memory, but EMACS is where I live. "Those keyboard combinations" are perfectly natural responses, after all! ;-) -- Warren W. Gay VE3WWG http://home.cogeco.ca/~ve3wwg ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Somewhat on Topic: Word Processing 2003-03-05 21:56 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG @ 2003-03-06 14:06 ` Peter Hermann 2003-03-06 19:47 ` Stephen Leake 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Peter Hermann @ 2003-03-06 14:06 UTC (permalink / raw) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG <ve3wwg@cogeco.ca> wrote: > Ha! I have a lousy memory, but EMACS is where I live. "Those > keyboard combinations" are perfectly natural responses, after all! ;-) I made several hopeful startups to acqauint to EMACS however got stuck in those odd key sequences, their mappings of which are extremely noncompatible on different keyboard brands. :-( -- --Peter Hermann(49)0711-685-3611 fax3758 ica2ph@csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de --Pfaffenwaldring 27 Raum 114, D-70569 Stuttgart Uni Computeranwendungen --http://www.csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de/homes/ph/ --Team Ada: "C'mon people let the world begin" (Paul McCartney) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Somewhat on Topic: Word Processing 2003-03-06 14:06 ` Peter Hermann @ 2003-03-06 19:47 ` Stephen Leake 0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Stephen Leake @ 2003-03-06 19:47 UTC (permalink / raw) Peter Hermann <ica2ph@sinus.csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de> writes: > I made several hopeful startups to acqauint to EMACS > however got stuck in those odd key sequences, > their mappings of which are extremely noncompatible > on different keyboard brands. :-( First thing I did when I got serious about Emacs was make my own list of bindings to all the keys I care about. Then when I had to use a weird keyboard, I just copied and edited that list. Made things much easier. These days, either everything has a "standard PC keyboard", or I can just run an X server on my PC to get to it. Life is good :). -- -- Stephe ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Somewhat on Topic: Word Processing 2003-03-05 20:40 ` Dave Head ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2003-03-05 21:56 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG @ 2003-03-06 7:18 ` Preben Randhol 2003-03-06 14:29 ` Dave Head 3 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Preben Randhol @ 2003-03-06 7:18 UTC (permalink / raw) Dave Head wrote: > > "Frank J. Lhota" <NOSPAM.lhota.adarose@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:JZo9a.25710$8f7.21367@nwrdny02.gnilink.net... >> Would WordStar have survived if it was rewritten in Ada? > > No. The thing that killed WordStar is having to memorize all those keyboard > key combinations. Nobody wants to do that. Its also why EMACS hasn't taken > over the world's programming consoles except on those owned by people with > really, really good memories. Well, I actually went from Emacs to Vim which has a lot of key combinations. For me it works. But then again I wouldn't teach my better half to use Vim. However, it makes me cringe when I see people using the mouse and menu for Copy and Paste. -- () Join the worldwide campaign to protect fundamental human rights. '||} {||' http://www.amnesty.org/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Somewhat on Topic: Word Processing 2003-03-06 7:18 ` Preben Randhol @ 2003-03-06 14:29 ` Dave Head 2003-03-06 14:44 ` Peter Hermann 2003-03-06 18:00 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG 0 siblings, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Dave Head @ 2003-03-06 14:29 UTC (permalink / raw) "Preben Randhol" <randhol+news@pvv.org> wrote in message news:slrnb6dtep.li.randhol+news@kiuk0152.chembio.ntnu.no... > Dave Head wrote: > > > > "Frank J. Lhota" <NOSPAM.lhota.adarose@verizon.net> wrote in message > > news:JZo9a.25710$8f7.21367@nwrdny02.gnilink.net... > >> Would WordStar have survived if it was rewritten in Ada? > > > > No. The thing that killed WordStar is having to memorize all those keyboard > > key combinations. Nobody wants to do that. Its also why EMACS hasn't taken > > over the world's programming consoles except on those owned by people with > > really, really good memories. > > Well, I actually went from Emacs to Vim which has a lot of key > combinations. For me it works. But then again I wouldn't teach my better > half to use Vim. > > However, it makes me cringe when I see people using the mouse and menu > for Copy and Paste. Oh, yeah, me too... I can't remember how I did it before Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, but I don't think I used the menu more than a few times for it. And that's something else - while I can't explain Ctrl-V, at least Ctrl-C is intuitive since it is a "copy" function - and Ctrl-C is the control key with the 1st letter of the word copy. I guess having the V right beside the C is its only saving grace. Then there's just delete to delete some highlighted text (no, I don't want to use any keystrokes to do my highlighting like in Vi, if I remember right...) and Ctrl-delete to copy it to the clipboard while also deleting it from the document. Anyway, I find bringing up a help screen much less user-friendly than activating a drop-down menu. The drop-down menu just seems to be faster, and I can get rid of it easier. It fits a paradigm learned in all the other windows apps and so I don't have to do anything special. Maybe after I retire and I have tons of time to waste on memorizing all that stuff... <G> Dave Head > > -- > () Join the worldwide campaign to protect fundamental human rights. > '||} > {||' http://www.amnesty.org/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Somewhat on Topic: Word Processing 2003-03-06 14:29 ` Dave Head @ 2003-03-06 14:44 ` Peter Hermann 2003-03-06 18:00 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG 1 sibling, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Peter Hermann @ 2003-03-06 14:44 UTC (permalink / raw) Dave Head <rally2xs@compuserve.com> wrote: > Maybe after I retire and I have tons of time to waste on memorizing all that > stuff... <G> or roll your own editor... (in Ada inside AdaOS, just dreaming) -- --Peter Hermann(49)0711-685-3611 fax3758 ica2ph@csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de --Pfaffenwaldring 27 Raum 114, D-70569 Stuttgart Uni Computeranwendungen --http://www.csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de/homes/ph/ --Team Ada: "C'mon people let the world begin" (Paul McCartney) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Somewhat on Topic: Word Processing 2003-03-06 14:29 ` Dave Head 2003-03-06 14:44 ` Peter Hermann @ 2003-03-06 18:00 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG 2003-03-06 19:00 ` Ludovic Brenta ` (2 more replies) 1 sibling, 3 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Warren W. Gay VE3WWG @ 2003-03-06 18:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Dave Head wrote: > "Preben Randhol" <randhol+news@pvv.org> wrote in message > news:slrnb6dtep.li.randhol+news@kiuk0152.chembio.ntnu.no... > >>Dave Head wrote: >> >>>"Frank J. Lhota" <NOSPAM.lhota.adarose@verizon.net> wrote in message >>>news:JZo9a.25710$8f7.21367@nwrdny02.gnilink.net... >>> >>>>Would WordStar have survived if it was rewritten in Ada? >>> >>>No. The thing that killed WordStar is having to memorize all those ... >>Well, I actually went from Emacs to Vim which has a lot of key >>combinations. For me it works. But then again I wouldn't teach my better >>half to use Vim. >> >>However, it makes me cringe when I see people using the mouse and menu >>for Copy and Paste. > > Oh, yeah, me too... I can't remember how I did it before Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, > but I don't think I used the menu more than a few times for it. What I hate is that Win2K command window still does not support any keyboard shortcut for paste. You always have to pull down the system menu, select Edit, then select Paste. Now there is a model of efficiency for you! At least copy can be done with mouse and CR. -- Warren W. Gay VE3WWG http://home.cogeco.ca/~ve3wwg ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Somewhat on Topic: Word Processing 2003-03-06 18:00 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG @ 2003-03-06 19:00 ` Ludovic Brenta 2003-03-06 19:50 ` Stephen Leake 2003-03-06 23:02 ` Georg Bauhaus 2 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Ludovic Brenta @ 2003-03-06 19:00 UTC (permalink / raw) "Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" <ve3wwg@cogeco.ca> writes: > Dave Head wrote: > What I hate is that Win2K command window still does not support any > keyboard shortcut for paste. You always have to pull down the system > menu, select Edit, then select Paste. Now there is a model of > efficiency for you! At least copy can be done with mouse and CR. Alt+Space E P I use it whenever I'm stuck with a Windows box. -- Ludovic Brenta. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Somewhat on Topic: Word Processing 2003-03-06 18:00 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG 2003-03-06 19:00 ` Ludovic Brenta @ 2003-03-06 19:50 ` Stephen Leake 2003-03-06 23:02 ` Georg Bauhaus 2 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Stephen Leake @ 2003-03-06 19:50 UTC (permalink / raw) "Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" <ve3wwg@cogeco.ca> writes: > What I hate is that Win2K command window still does not support any > keyboard shortcut for paste. You always have to pull down the system > menu, select Edit, then select Paste. Now there is a model of > efficiency for you! At least copy can be done with mouse and CR. You can access the System Menu with Alt-space, and then use keys to navigate the menu. I guess that's a "keyboard long-cut" (not a short-cut :). One thing Microsoft got right was allowing people to use the system without a mouse. I hate web pages that don't follow that principle. -- -- Stephe ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Somewhat on Topic: Word Processing 2003-03-06 18:00 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG 2003-03-06 19:00 ` Ludovic Brenta 2003-03-06 19:50 ` Stephen Leake @ 2003-03-06 23:02 ` Georg Bauhaus 2 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Georg Bauhaus @ 2003-03-06 23:02 UTC (permalink / raw) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG <ve3wwg@cogeco.ca> wrote: : efficiency for you! At least copy can be done with mouse and CR. mark, right click, right click again. -- Georg --- Microsoft Windows--a fresh perspective on information hiding ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
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