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From: chris <spamoff.danx@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: No call for Ada
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 18:23:28 +0100
Date: 2004-04-11T18:23:28+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <97fec.680$P%3.261@newsfe1-win> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c58je7$2qh7ca$1@ID-77047.news.uni-berlin.de>

Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
> Andrew Carroll wrote:
>>
>>I'm not sure if your saying that governments need to verify all software
>>that goes to market, sort of like the FDA approves medications
> 
> There are different ways. Don't you agree that the software which fault may
> lead to loss of human life shall be approved? For the rest it would be
> enough to require some level of liability for commercial software depending
> on its price and application area.

I sort of agree, however we all know any significant software will 
contain bugs no matter what you do so liability may not be the best way 
with respect to commercial software, unless it's in terms of negligance, 
for the foreseeable future.  Perhaps the licensing of software engineers 
is the way to go on this.  i.e. if the software engineer is licensed 
they meet certain standards they are fit to work on projects.  The 
problem is deciding who sets the criteria and who enforces it.

I wouldn't mind being licensed, infact it's probably one of the few ways 
you could make software without making it too risky for companies to 
develop it.  Lots of people won't like it though, especially programmers 
because everybody knows programming is a bit of witchcraft and art, that 
it's their god given right to code and it all just 'works'. ;)

>>What
>>your saying is like saying that the industry needs an unpenetrable
>>network firewall.  To your surprise, there is one!  Disconnect your
>>network from the Internet and then, your network is unpenetrable
>>from the Internet.  See how easy that was?
> 
> 
> Consider that recent attempts to introduce an internet-based voting system.
> Sooner or later it will come.

Like biometric ID cards in the UK.  The problem is the old line about 
theory and pratice.



  reply	other threads:[~2004-04-11 17:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20040409115529.8C0D24C412B@lovelace.ada-france.org>
2004-04-09 19:01 ` No call for Ada Andrew Carroll
2004-04-09 20:19   ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-14 14:29     ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-10 10:48   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-11 17:23     ` chris [this message]
2004-04-12 10:29       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-10 19:27 No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Wes Groleau
2004-04-10 20:06 ` tmoran
2004-04-10 21:38   ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-12 22:34     ` Randy Brukardt
2004-04-14 11:41       ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-14 14:12         ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-14 17:52           ` No call for Ada Jeffrey Carter
2004-04-15 16:17             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-04-08 12:44 Lionel.DRAGHI
     [not found] <20040408081031.D01934C4136@lovelace.ada-france.org>
2004-04-08  9:44 ` Andrew Carroll
     [not found] <20040206174017.7E84F4C4114@lovelace.ada-france.org>
2004-02-07  8:50 ` No call for it Carroll-Tech
2004-02-07 13:00   ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Ludovic Brenta
2004-02-07 19:24     ` MSG
2004-02-08  3:15       ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-02 23:18         ` Beth Bruzan
2004-04-03  0:08           ` David Starner
2004-04-03  9:13             ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-03 11:51               ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-03 22:26                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-04 10:00                   ` Florian Weimer
2004-04-05 18:07                     ` No call for Ada Marc A. Criley
2004-04-05 21:16                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-06 11:00                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-05 22:09                       ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-05 22:20                       ` chris
2004-04-06 13:25                         ` Marc A. Criley
2004-04-07  1:17                           ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-03 13:06           ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Marin David Condic
2004-04-03 14:12             ` James Rogers
2004-04-03 14:29               ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-03 16:54                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-03 19:46                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-05 12:10                     ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-05 20:38                       ` Randy Brukardt
2004-04-06 11:59                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-06 19:07                           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-04-07  0:31                             ` David Starner
2004-04-07 17:40                               ` Pascal Obry
2004-04-07 22:14                                 ` David Starner
2004-04-07 22:44                                   ` Ed Falis
2004-04-07 23:06                                     ` Szymon Guz
2004-04-08 17:34                                       ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototypinglanguage) Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-08 11:46                                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-04-08 13:53                                           ` No call for Ada Samuel Tardieu
2004-04-08  1:58             ` Berend de Boer
     [not found] <20040407175513.BABA64C410A@lovelace.ada-france.org>
2004-04-07 21:20 ` Andrew Carroll
2004-04-08  6:39   ` Pascal Obry
2004-04-08  9:36   ` Martin Krischik
     [not found] ` <001b01c41ce6$206bad80$0201a8c0@win>
2004-04-08  7:07   ` Marius Amado Alves
     [not found] <20040406215514.474514C410D@lovelace.ada-france.org>
2004-04-06 23:42 ` Andrew Carroll
2004-04-07  1:13   ` Ed Falis
2004-04-07  7:06   ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-08 12:39     ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-08 16:58       ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-07 13:46   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-06  8:17 No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-07  2:15 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-07  9:34   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-07 11:38     ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-08  9:59       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-08 20:46         ` No call for Ada Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-09 11:26           ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-09 15:50             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-09 11:34           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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