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From: "Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96" <condicma@PWFL.COM>
Subject: Re: Porting Experiences (was Ada and Pascal etc )
Date: 1997/11/06
Date: 1997-11-06T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <97110617504459@psavax.pwfl.com> (raw)


Lawrence Kirby <fred@GENESIS.DEMON.CO.UK> writes:
>The portability implications of this are small or non-existent (there may
>be performace implications in rare circumstances, and issues relating to
>data sizes and external data formats). As ever the C language is designed
>with the assumption that the programmer knows what he is doing. The use
>of ranges implies that you know beforehand what those ranges will be.
>In C you follow a set of rules:
>
    I think you missed a very important point and one that has trashed
    many attempted ports in my experience.

    While the rules you cite do guarantee a minimum accuracy and
    intelligent use thereof certainly does help things, what do you do
    about all the representation issues? Technically, that integer you
    specify as needing a minimum of 16 bits could get represented with
    32 bits. Suppose that it is used in an I/O record to a data file?
    Now you're incompatible with all the data files built by another
    version which allocated only 16 bits. Or suppose it is passed as a
    parameter to an OS routine or routine written in another language
    or a routine written in C but compiled with a different compiler?

    There are *many* occasions where the internal representation of a
    data item is *critical* to the success of a system. Hence not
    having the ability to explicitly state what sort of representation
    is required can hurt portability. I don't see why C can't be
    modified in some subsequent standard to let the programmer dictate
    that a given number be represented a certain way, so I don't think
    it is the end of the world. But as things stand now, this is a
    weakness in the language that hurts portability and if something
    *does* successfully port without changes, it happens more by
    accident than by design.

    MDC

Marin David Condic, Senior Computer Engineer     Voice:     561.796.8997
Pratt & Whitney GESP, M/S 731-96, P.O.B. 109600  Fax:       561.796.4669
West Palm Beach, FL, 33410-9600                  Internet:  CONDICMA@PWFL.COM
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Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-11-06  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96 [this message]
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1997-11-03  0:00 Porting Experiences (was Ada and Pascal etc ) Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1997-11-04  0:00 ` Jerry van Dijk
1997-10-28  0:00 ADA SUCKS, C/C++/JAVA RULES!!!! John Black
1997-10-28  0:00 ` John Black
1997-10-28  0:00   ` ADA and Pascal SUCK, C,C++, and Java are the only languages you need!! John Black
1997-10-28  0:00     ` David A. Frantz
1997-10-29  0:00       ` John Black
1997-10-29  0:00         ` Mike Copeland
1997-10-31  0:00           ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-30  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-10-31  0:00               ` Craig Franck
1997-10-31  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-11-01  0:00                   ` Porting Experiences (was Ada and Pascal etc ) Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-01  0:00                     ` Jon S Anthony
1997-11-01  0:00                     ` Craig Franck
1997-11-03  0:00                       ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-03  0:00                         ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-04  0:00                           ` Pat Rogers
1997-11-04  0:00                             ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-04  0:00                           ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-04  0:00                             ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-05  0:00                               ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-05  0:00                               ` Boyd Roberts
1997-11-05  0:00                             ` Craig Franck
1997-11-05  0:00                               ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-06  0:00                                 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-07  0:00                                   ` Boyd Roberts
1997-11-07  0:00                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-07  0:00                                       ` Peter Seebach
1997-11-07  0:00                                 ` Craig Franck
1997-11-07  0:00                                   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-08  0:00                                     ` Craig Franck
1997-11-08  0:00                                       ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-08  0:00                                         ` Vesa Karvonen
1997-11-10  0:00                                       ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-11  0:00                                         ` Craig Franck
1997-11-12  0:00                                           ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-14  0:00                                             ` Craig Franck
1997-11-24  0:00                                             ` Ralph Silverman
1997-11-09  0:00                                     ` Dennis Weldy
1997-11-10  0:00                                       ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-10  0:00                                         ` Dennis Weldy
1997-11-12  0:00                                           ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-14  0:00                                             ` Robert Munck
1997-11-05  0:00                           ` Samuel T. Harris
1997-11-05  0:00                             ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-06  0:00                               ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-06  0:00                                 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-06  0:00                                 ` Paul Campbell
1997-11-07  0:00                               ` Samuel T. Harris
1997-11-13  0:00                             ` Steve Summit
1997-11-13  0:00                               ` Samuel T. Harris
     [not found]                         ` <63m3pt$t2d@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>
1997-11-04  0:00                           ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-05  0:00                             ` Craig Franck
1997-11-04  0:00                         ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-04  0:00                           ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-04  0:00                             ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-05  0:00                               ` Chris Brand
1997-11-05  0:00                                 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-05  0:00                                 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-05  0:00                                 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-05  0:00                                 ` Dann Corbit
1997-11-07  0:00                               ` Boyd Roberts
1997-11-05  0:00                             ` James Youngman
1997-11-05  0:00                             ` Steve Summit
1997-11-05  0:00                             ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-05  0:00                             ` Craig Franck
1997-11-03  0:00                       ` Jon S Anthony
1997-11-03  0:00                       ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
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