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From: "Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93" <condicma@PWFL.COM>
Subject: Re: Ada and Automotive Industry
Date: 1996/11/13
Date: 1996-11-13T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <96111310030281@psavax.pwfl.com> (raw)


Robert Dewar <dewar@MERV.CS.NYU.EDU> writes:
>Ken Tindall says
>....
>It is impossible. Ada 83 tasking cannot be used reliably for real-time
>(as the Boeing people above mentioned). Ada 95 tasking still leaves a big
>efficiency problem, which is crucial to the automotive industry,
>where a few cents on a control unit add up to millions over a product
>life.
>
>  Again, unsubstantiated general claims. It must almost certainly be
>  the case that the writer does NOT know Ada very well. If I am wrong
>  on this, then Ken, make some specific technical points that we can
>  address instead of unsubstantiated generalities.
>
    The "It is impossible" part bothers me. I've got stuff flying
    around in the sky as we speak which is utilizing Ada83 tasking in
    realtime. I'm launching stuff into outer space which is utilizing
    Ada83 tasking in realtime. I've got tasks driving 5, 10 and 20
    millisecond control loops (on an ancient, 1750a processor running
    astronomically slow, to boot!) and they're working fine and not
    absorbing any significant overhead above and beyond what it would
    cost to implement similar loops with some sort of primitive
    foreground/background processing scheme cobbled out of C.

    If the claim is "It is impossible", then clearly, not enough
    effort has been expended to prove it otherwise.

    MDC

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1996-11-13  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93 [this message]
1996-11-13  0:00 ` Ada and Automotive Industry Ken Garlington
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1996-12-13  0:00 Franco Mazzanti
1996-12-11  0:00 Franco Mazzanti
1996-12-11  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-13  0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
     [not found] <1996Dec11.220521.525@decus.org.nz>
1996-12-11  0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-12-10  0:00 Franco Mazzanti
1996-12-05  0:00 Franco Mazzanti
1996-12-06  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-11  0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-12-13  0:00   ` Ted Dennison
1996-12-15  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-17  0:00       ` Tucker Taft
1996-12-18  0:00       ` Keith Thompson
1996-12-18  0:00         ` Keith Thompson
1996-12-18  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1996-12-18  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-18  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1996-12-18  0:00             ` Ken Garlington
1996-12-19  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1996-12-20  0:00                 ` Philip Brashear
1996-12-20  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-22  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-23  0:00                 ` Ken Garlington
1996-12-18  0:00       ` Geert Bosch
1996-12-17  0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
     [not found] <1996Dec2.221233.523@decus.org.nz>
1996-12-02  0:00 ` Ken Garlington
     [not found] <1996Nov30.130532.522@decus.org.nz>
1996-12-02  0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-11-27  0:00 W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1996-11-25  0:00 Ada and automotive industry W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1996-11-24  0:00 Ada and Automotive Industry Ingemar Persson
1996-11-12  0:00 James Thiele
1996-11-13  0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-11-13  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-15  0:00   ` Ken Garlington
1996-11-13  0:00 ` Frank Manning
1996-11-12  0:00 James Thiele
1996-11-11  0:00 James Thiele
1996-11-01  0:00 ETHoierman
1996-11-05  0:00 ` Stanley R. Allen
1996-11-06  0:00 ` Stanley R. Allen
1996-11-06  0:00   ` James Thiele
1996-11-06  0:00     ` Stanley R. Allen
1996-11-07  0:00       ` Dale Stanbrough
1996-11-11  0:00       ` Ken Tindell
1996-11-11  0:00         ` Matthew Heaney
1996-11-11  0:00           ` Philip Brashear
1996-11-11  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-07  0:00     ` Frank Manning
1996-11-11  0:00     ` Frank Manning
1996-11-13  0:00       ` Ken Tindell
1996-11-13  0:00       ` Richard Riehle
1996-11-14  0:00         ` Jack Patteeuw
1996-11-16  0:00           ` David Taylor
1996-11-20  0:00             ` Richard Riehle
1996-11-21  0:00               ` Dave Wood
1996-11-21  0:00             ` Art Schwarz
1996-11-22  0:00               ` Robert B. Love 
1996-11-22  0:00               ` Ken Tindell
1996-11-24  0:00               ` "Paul E. Bennett"
1996-11-18  0:00           ` David Taylor
1996-11-17  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-18  0:00           ` Ken Tindell
1996-11-22  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-22  0:00             ` Richard Kenner
1996-11-23  0:00               ` James Thiele
1996-11-27  0:00                 ` Richard Kenner
1996-12-05  0:00             ` Michael Warner
1996-11-20  0:00           ` Richard Riehle
1996-11-23  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-25  0:00               ` Ken Tindell
1996-11-25  0:00               ` Richard Riehle
1996-11-27  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-29  0:00                   ` Richard Riehle
1996-12-02  0:00                   ` Chris Hills
1996-12-04  0:00                   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-27  0:00                 ` Ken Garlington
1996-12-01  0:00                   ` Richard Riehle
1996-11-27  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-24  0:00             ` Richard Kenner
1996-11-25  0:00               ` Ken Tindell
1996-11-26  0:00                 ` John Dammeyer
1996-11-26  0:00                   ` Ken Garlington
1996-11-25  0:00               ` Richard Riehle
     [not found]           ` <Pine.GSO.3.95.961120154239.3 <Pine.GSO.3.95.961201100430.21598A-100000@nunic.nu.edu>
1996-12-01  0:00             ` James Thiele
1996-11-27  0:00         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-12-03  0:00           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-12-03  0:00             ` Ted Dennison
1996-12-11  0:00             ` Richard Riehle
1996-12-13  0:00               ` Ted Dennison
1996-11-11  0:00     ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-11-14  0:00     ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-15  0:00       ` William P. Milam
1996-11-08  0:00   ` Ken Garlington
1996-11-08  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-08  0:00     ` James Thiele
1996-11-08  0:00       ` nasser
1996-11-09  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-22  0:00           ` Dirk Dickmanns
1996-11-10  0:00       ` Matthew Heaney
1996-11-11  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-11  0:00           ` James Thiele
1996-11-12  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-12  0:00       ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-11-12  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-13  0:00           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-11-14  0:00         ` William P. Milam
1996-11-19  0:00           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-11-15  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-15  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-16  0:00         ` Geert Bosch
1996-11-21  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-16  0:00         ` Adam Beneschan
1996-11-22  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-11  0:00     ` Ken Tindell
1996-11-11  0:00       ` Matthew Heaney
1996-11-11  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]   ` <847341612snz@transcontech.co.uk>
1996-11-10  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-12  0:00       ` "Paul E. Bennett"
1996-11-15  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-15  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-18  0:00       ` Ken Tindell
1996-11-18  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-19  0:00         ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-12-05  0:00         ` Michael Warner
1996-12-06  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-15  0:00     ` John Howard
1996-11-15  0:00     ` William P. Milam
1996-11-21  0:00     ` James Weaver
1996-11-21  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-22  0:00   ` Chris Hills
1996-11-23  0:00   ` Ralph Paul
1996-11-24  0:00   ` Otto Lind
1996-11-25  0:00     ` Richard Kenner
1996-11-28  0:00       ` Eyal Ben-Avraham
1996-11-29  0:00         ` Richard Kenner
1996-11-25  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-26  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-26  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-27  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-27  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-12-01  0:00   ` Chris Hills
1996-12-01  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-01  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-02  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1996-12-02  0:00   ` Chris Hills
1996-12-03  0:00     ` Andy Ashworth
1996-12-03  0:00       ` Ian Ward
1996-12-03  0:00   ` George Romanski
1996-12-05  0:00     ` Ken Tindell
1996-12-03  0:00   ` Ted Dennison
1996-12-03  0:00   ` Ken Garlington
1996-12-04  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-12-11  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-12-13  0:00   ` Ted Dennison
1996-12-13  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-14  0:00   ` Chris Hills
1996-12-19  0:00     ` Ian Ward
1996-12-17  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-12-18  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-12-19  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
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