From: "Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93" <condicma@PWFL.COM>
Subject: Re: Ariane 5 failure
Date: 1996/10/28
Date: 1996-10-28T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <96102812145520@psavax.pwfl.com> (raw)
robin <rav@GOANNA.CS.RMIT.EDU.AU> writes:
> > Of course the truly important thing to remember is that compiler
> > generated runtime checks are not a panacea. They *may* have helped
> > with the Ariane 5,
>
>The Report said that it could have been done, and obviously,
>it should have.
>
The point of my statement was in the part of my previous message
which was inadvertently clipped: I do not disagree that the
runtime checks should have been done (20/20 hindsight is a
wonderful thing.) But failure detection is not, in and of itself,
sufficient. Had the accommodation for the detected failure been
"Shut down the channel and pass control to the other side", they
would have been in *exactly* the same place they were without the
runtime checks. (And this is a *VERY* common defined accommodation
for dual redundant systems for large classes of errors.)
procedure ARIANE_FIVE_OPERATION is
begin
DO_STUFF_THATS_COOL_TO_RUN_THE_ARIANE_FIVE_ROCKET ;
exception
when CONSTRAINT_ERROR | NUMERIC_ERROR => --Yup! Got them runtime checks!
SHUT_DOWN_THE_CHANNEL_AND_PASS_CONTROL_TO_THE_OTHER_SIDE ; --Boom!
end ARIANE_FIVE_OPERATION ;
In other words, the most serious problems with software are bad
engineering decisions - not the use, or lack thereof, of any given
language attribute. It's a little like the company which makes
concrete life-preservers getting ISO-9000 certification. By gum,
they have a procedure and it's written down and it's adhered to
with religious fervor by every single employee and they make an
absolutely flawless concrete life-preserver. But there's still
something fundamentally wrong with this picture, isn't there?
MDC
Marin David Condic, Senior Computer Engineer ATT: 561.796.8997
M/S 731-96 Technet: 796.8997
Pratt & Whitney, GESP Fax: 561.796.4669
P.O. Box 109600 Internet: CONDICMA@PWFL.COM
West Palm Beach, FL 33410-9600 Internet: CONDIC@FLINET.COM
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1996-10-31 0:00 Ariane 5 failure Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-10-28 0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-10-29 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-11-08 0:00 ` robin
1996-10-21 0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-10-22 0:00 ` Adam Beneschan
1996-10-16 0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-10-18 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-10-19 0:00 ` Frank Manning
1996-10-21 0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-10-14 0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-10-15 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-10-15 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-16 0:00 ` Michael F Brenner
1996-10-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-23 0:00 ` robin
1996-10-03 0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-10-03 0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-10-03 0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-10-01 0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-10-02 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-10-02 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-10-02 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1996-10-04 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-10-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-06 0:00 ` Keith Thompson
1996-10-10 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-10-14 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1996-10-15 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-16 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-10-18 0:00 ` Keith Thompson
1996-10-18 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris
1996-10-21 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-10-18 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
1996-10-23 0:00 ` robin
1996-10-01 0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
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1996-10-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-05 0:00 ` Alan Brain
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1996-10-03 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1996-10-04 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
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1996-09-25 0:00 ` @@ robin
1996-09-25 0:00 ` Bob Kitzberger
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1996-09-27 0:00 ` Ronald Kunne
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1996-10-09 0:00 ` @@ robin
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1996-10-04 0:00 ` @@ robin
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