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From: "Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93" <condicma@PWFL.COM>
Subject: Re: Ariane 5 - not an exception?
Date: 1996/08/13
Date: 1996-08-13T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <96081314152009@psavax.pwfl.com> (raw)


John McCabe <john@ASSEN.DEMON.CO.UK> writes:
>The point I am trying to make here is that I believe that the success
>of a mission should never be traded off against such an arbitrary
>requirement as a loading margin.
>
    Well, I have to agree that the important thing is mission success,
    not loading margin. But the general reason you establish some sort
    of "goal" for margin is to insure mission success. When going to
    Zero Margin (or worse) means dropping the rocket in the drink, not
    leaving yourself some room for "corner cases" which you never
    tested could be construed as imprudent - just as turning off
    checks could be considered imprudent. Had the "unanticipated case"
    never occurred, the software developers would have been "heros"
    and would have been given a certificate with their name on it in a
    cheap plastic frame. They took a gamble and lost, so now they get
    to be the scapegoats for us to kick around for a while.

    I'll admit that I also dislike setting some absolute number for
    CPU margin and sticking to it blindly. Eroding margin simply
    erodes the level of confidence and you can afford to do that
    sometimes. Especially if you're willing to do the work to
    demonstrate that you really have found the worst-case behavior or
    that the system is sufficiently deterministic that you can run
    with less margin and maintain sufficient confidence. (Define
    "sufficient confidence...")

    Lots of people have tried to make the case that you should never
    turn off the runtime checks that Ada provides because they're
    critical to the safety of the system you are developing. I'd like
    to agree and certainly Ariane 5 is an example of where this might
    have prevented disaster. But sometimes us poor saps who have
    nothing to work with but a Mil-Std-1750a are stuck making
    tradeoffs between safety checks and building a system that will
    work at all.

    Anybody want to make me a rad-hard, space tested, 200mips
    processor that I can buy in small lots at $40 a piece and has a
    full suite of development tools (including Ada95 compiler)
    available for it? (Sober up, Marin! ;-)

    MDC

Marin David Condic, Senior Computer Engineer    ATT:        407.796.8997
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    mad. There was truth, and there was untruth, and if you clung to
    the truth even against the whole world, you were not mad. 'Sanity
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        --  G. Orwell, "1984"
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Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-08-13  0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93 [this message]
1996-08-15  0:00 ` Ariane 5 - not an exception? John McCabe
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1996-08-13  0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-08-15  0:00 ` John McCabe
1996-08-08  0:00 Marin David Condic, 407.796.8997, M/S 731-93
1996-08-09  0:00 ` John McCabe
1996-07-25  0:00 Simon Bluck
1996-07-26  0:00 ` ++           robin
1996-07-29  0:00   ` Bill Angel
1996-07-29  0:00     ` Paul_Green
1996-07-30  0:00     ` Ken Garlington
1996-07-30  0:00     ` Lloyd Fischer
1996-07-30  0:00     ` Richard Shetron
1996-07-30  0:00       ` ++           robin
1996-07-30  0:00     ` Nancy Mead
1996-07-31  0:00       ` Tucker Taft
1996-07-31  0:00       ` Steve O'Neill
1996-08-01  0:00       ` root
1996-08-01  0:00         ` Tucker Taft
1996-07-30  0:00     ` Bob Kurtz
1996-08-04  0:00     ` Richard Riehle
1996-08-05  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-08-05  0:00       ` John McCabe
1996-08-05  0:00       ` Nigel Tzeng
1996-08-06  0:00         ` John McCabe
1996-08-13  0:00       ` ++           robin
1996-08-13  0:00         ` Ken Garlington
1996-08-13  0:00           ` Kirk Bradley
1996-08-14  0:00             ` Ken Garlington
1996-08-22  0:00           ` ++           robin
1996-08-22  0:00             ` Ken Garlington
1996-08-13  0:00         ` Darren C Davenport
1996-08-14  0:00         ` John McCabe
1996-08-19  0:00           ` Chris Papademetrious
1996-08-22  0:00           ` ++           robin
1996-08-22  0:00             ` John McCabe
1996-08-23  0:00               ` Ken Garlington
1996-08-24  0:00                 ` John McCabe
1996-08-26  0:00                   ` Byron B. Kauffman
1996-08-27  0:00                     ` John McCabe
1996-08-28  0:00                       ` Byron B. Kauffman
1996-08-28  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-29  0:00                           ` Ted Dennison
1996-08-30  0:00                         ` John McCabe
1996-08-22  0:00             ` Martin Tom Brown
1996-08-23  0:00             ` Bob Gilbert
1996-08-24  0:00               ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-08-25  0:00                 ` John McCabe
1996-08-27  0:00                 ` Tom Speer
1996-08-26  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-20  0:00         ` Richard Riehle
1996-07-30  0:00   ` Ken Garlington
1996-08-02  0:00     ` Craig P. Beyers
1996-07-30  0:00   ` Steve O'Neill
1996-07-31  0:00     ` Martin Tom Brown
1996-07-31  0:00       ` Nigel Tzeng
1996-08-02  0:00       ` Ken Garlington
1996-08-03  0:00         ` Thomas Kendelbacher
1996-08-01  0:00     ` ++           robin
1996-08-01  0:00       ` Ken Garlington
1996-08-05  0:00         ` John McCabe
1996-08-06  0:00           ` Mark van Walraven
1996-08-06  0:00           ` Ken Garlington
1996-08-06  0:00           ` Ken Garlington
1996-08-02  0:00       ` Pascal Martin @lone
1996-08-03  0:00         ` Dr. Richard Botting
1996-08-05  0:00           ` system
1996-08-06  0:00         ` ++           robin
1996-08-08  0:00           ` Darius Blasband
1996-08-10  0:00             ` dwnoon
1996-08-12  0:00               ` Thomas Kendelbacher
1996-08-13  0:00                 ` ++           robin
1996-08-13  0:00             ` Roy Gardiner
1996-08-13  0:00               ` Ken Garlington
1996-08-13  0:00               ` Lance Kibblewhite
1996-08-13  0:00             ` ++           robin
1996-08-15  0:00             ` Richard Riehle
1996-08-05  0:00       ` Steve O'Neill
1996-08-06  0:00         ` Frank Manning
1996-08-08  0:00           ` Steve O'Neill
1996-08-09  0:00             ` Pat Rogers
1996-08-09  0:00           ` JP Thornley
1996-08-06  0:00         ` Francis Lipski
1996-08-07  0:00           ` Martin Tom Brown
1996-08-09  0:00             ` Ken Garlington
1996-08-13  0:00         ` ++           robin
1996-08-13  0:00           ` Steve O'Neill
1996-08-01  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-08-02  0:00   ` James Kanze US/ESC 60/3/141 #40763
1996-08-06  0:00   ` Stefan 'Stetson' Skoglund
1996-08-06  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-07-26  0:00 ` Bob Gilbert
1996-07-29  0:00   ` Martin Tom Brown
1996-07-30  0:00     ` John McCabe
1996-07-31  0:00       ` Greg Bond
1996-08-03  0:00         ` John McCabe
1996-07-26  0:00 ` JP Thornley
1996-07-29  0:00   ` Ken Garlington
1996-07-29  0:00   ` JP Thornley
1996-07-29  0:00   ` Nigel Tzeng
1996-07-30  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-07-31  0:00     ` JP Thornley
1996-08-01  0:00       ` Alan Brain
1996-08-02  0:00         ` JP Thornley
1996-08-01  0:00   ` Ken Garlington
1996-07-26  0:00 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-07-29  0:00   ` Ken Garlington
1996-07-27  0:00 ` Bill Angel
1996-07-30  0:00 ` Dr. Richard Botting
1996-07-30  0:00   ` David Weller
1996-07-30  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
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