* Re: Latin and other irrelevant topics [not found] <mailman.980514018.8909.comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org> @ 2001-01-26 15:37 ` Robert Dewar 2001-01-26 15:58 ` Ted Dennison ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Robert Dewar @ 2001-01-26 15:37 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <mailman.980514018.8909.comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org>, comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org wrote: > Actually mine was: it was nil! For me that is just what it > should have been. (I suppose I took French, English and > Italian instead.) Ah, so you were just guessing about the meaning of cf :-) And here I was thinking you were quoting Ovid (though I must say I cannot remember the use of this Latin word in Ovid, it does not easily fit into Iambic pentameter -- well actually that's not fair, it could fit, but I still don't remember him using the term, and I had to learn thousands of lines of Ovid -- it was the usual punishment at my school -- so while we were in exile being punished, we got to learn all about his laments of frigid winters in the North :-) It's a good thing I changed the subject line of this thread! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Latin and other irrelevant topics 2001-01-26 15:37 ` Latin and other irrelevant topics Robert Dewar @ 2001-01-26 15:58 ` Ted Dennison 2001-01-26 21:11 ` Lao Xiao Hai 2001-01-26 23:43 ` Nick Williams 2 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Ted Dennison @ 2001-01-26 15:58 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <94s5iq$rdk$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Robert Dewar <robert_dewar@my-deja.com> wrote: > the term, and I had to learn thousands of lines of Ovid -- it > was the usual punishment at my school -- so while we were in > exile being punished, we got to learn all about his laments > of frigid winters in the North :-) A nasty punishment indeed. Now if you spent all that time reading Catullus, that would be interesting. :-) -- T.E.D. http://www.telepath.com/~dennison/Ted/TED.html Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Latin and other irrelevant topics 2001-01-26 15:37 ` Latin and other irrelevant topics Robert Dewar 2001-01-26 15:58 ` Ted Dennison @ 2001-01-26 21:11 ` Lao Xiao Hai 2001-01-26 23:43 ` Nick Williams 2 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Lao Xiao Hai @ 2001-01-26 21:11 UTC (permalink / raw) Robert Dewar wrote: > > ... not fair, it could fit, but I still don't remember him using > the term, and I had to learn thousands of lines of Ovid -- it > was the usual punishment at my school -- so while we were in > exile being punished, we got to learn all about his laments > of frigid winters in the North :-) I preferred his more entertaining work, Ars Amatoris. Of course we did not get to read that in high school Latin class. That was not introduced until college. Hmmmmm. Just thinking about that makes me want to run out and buy a Latin dictionary and locate a copy of Ovid's salacious work. :-) Richard ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Latin and other irrelevant topics 2001-01-26 15:37 ` Latin and other irrelevant topics Robert Dewar 2001-01-26 15:58 ` Ted Dennison 2001-01-26 21:11 ` Lao Xiao Hai @ 2001-01-26 23:43 ` Nick Williams 2001-01-27 14:22 ` Marin David Condic 2 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Nick Williams @ 2001-01-26 23:43 UTC (permalink / raw) Robert Dewar wrote: > Ah, so you were just guessing about the meaning of cf :-) And > here I was thinking you were quoting Ovid (though I must say > I cannot remember the use of this Latin word in Ovid, it does > not easily fit into Iambic pentameter -- well actually that's > not fair, it could fit, but I still don't remember him using > the term, and I had to learn thousands of lines of Ovid -- it > was the usual punishment at my school -- so while we were in > exile being punished, we got to learn all about his laments > of frigid winters in the North :-) Iambic pentameter, in Ovid? Say it isn't so! Surely most of Ovid is elegiac couplets, wherein both the hexameters and the pentameters are _dactylic_? And the bits of verse that aren't elegiac couplets are dactylic hexameter pure and simple (like the Metamorphoses). Assuming that the word in question is 'conferre'; it appears in both Metamorphoses and Amores in its infinitive form, although exceedingly infrequently; the 'contul-' perfect root is rather more common, it seems. Obviously, it is significantly easier to scan conferre in hexameter, because the two long syllables can be the second syllable of a spondee, and the start of the next foot: cf. 'et conferre gradum, et veniendi discere causas' (Aeneid, Book IV, Aeneas' fallen countrymen greet him in the underworld). Cheers, Nick Williams PxCS. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Latin and other irrelevant topics 2001-01-26 23:43 ` Nick Williams @ 2001-01-27 14:22 ` Marin David Condic 2001-01-27 15:07 ` Georg Bauhaus ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Marin David Condic @ 2001-01-27 14:22 UTC (permalink / raw) This whole thread is so far off topic, its rather amazing. You can't even find the word "computer" in it anywhere. What surprises me is how much interest there seems to be in Latin within this group. A little fun and games is understandable, but maybe this has drifted on too long for C.L.A.? Where are the Usenet Police when you need them? :-) MDC Nick Williams wrote: > Robert Dewar wrote: > -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic - Quadrus Corporation - http://www.quadruscorp.com/ Send Replies To: m c o n d i c @ q u a d r u s c o r p . c o m Visit my web site at: http://www.mcondic.com/ "I'd trade it all for just a little more" -- Charles Montgomery Burns, [4F10] ====================================================================== ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Latin and other irrelevant topics 2001-01-27 14:22 ` Marin David Condic @ 2001-01-27 15:07 ` Georg Bauhaus 2001-01-27 16:28 ` Florian Weimer 2001-01-28 0:05 ` Robert Dewar 2 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Georg Bauhaus @ 2001-01-27 15:07 UTC (permalink / raw) Marin David Condic (mcondic.auntie.spam@acm.org) wrote: : What surprises me is how much : interest there seems to be in Latin within this group. Don't you learn Latin with reference manual style books? :-) Georg Bauhaus ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Latin and other irrelevant topics 2001-01-27 14:22 ` Marin David Condic 2001-01-27 15:07 ` Georg Bauhaus @ 2001-01-27 16:28 ` Florian Weimer 2001-01-28 0:05 ` Robert Dewar 2 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Florian Weimer @ 2001-01-27 16:28 UTC (permalink / raw) Marin David Condic <mcondic.auntie.spam@acm.org> writes: > What surprises me is how much interest there seems to be in Latin > within this group. Latin is just another obscure language. ;-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Latin and other irrelevant topics 2001-01-27 14:22 ` Marin David Condic 2001-01-27 15:07 ` Georg Bauhaus 2001-01-27 16:28 ` Florian Weimer @ 2001-01-28 0:05 ` Robert Dewar 2001-01-28 8:48 ` Pascal Obry 2 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Robert Dewar @ 2001-01-28 0:05 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <3A72D99C.D7B062B3@acm.org>, Marin David Condic <mcondic.auntie.spam@acm.org> wrote: > This whole thread is so far off topic, its rather amazing. You can't even > find the word "computer" in it anywhere. What surprises me is how much > interest there seems to be in Latin within this group. > > A little fun and games is understandable, but maybe this has drifted on too > long for C.L.A.? Where are the Usenet Police when you need them? :-) Marin, if you feel the need for the Usenet Police in a case like this, you are using an incompetent news reader. I changed the subject to the above, to make it perfectly easy for anyone to suppress the thread if they are not interested. If you are not able to do this, then that's surprising, any decent news reader MUST have this capability in my view. So, assuming your reader DOES have this capability, you have deliberately decided to read this thread, knowing perfectly well from the title that it cannot be relevant. You cannot possibly complain at your own decision to do this. The time that internet Police are needed is when people go off-topic WITHOUT changing the subject line. In fact you will notice that the CLA folk are very disciplined, as soon as I changed the subject line when the thread started to go irrelevant, everyone followed, and the original thread was left unaffected. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Latin and other irrelevant topics 2001-01-28 0:05 ` Robert Dewar @ 2001-01-28 8:48 ` Pascal Obry 2001-01-29 1:49 ` Robert Dewar 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Pascal Obry @ 2001-01-28 8:48 UTC (permalink / raw) Robert, You are not fair ! You most certainly like to remind peoples to stay on topic and here the discussion is not a CLA one, right ? Please move this to a private discussion or to another news group. It is not a good idea to debate about the News reader missing features... or we will have a very big amount of message on CLA, or is that to bump statistics :) Pascal. PS: Pascal, the Usenet Police for this time :) -- --|------------------------------------------------------ --| Pascal Obry Team-Ada Member --| 45, rue Gabriel Peri - 78114 Magny Les Hameaux FRANCE --|------------------------------------------------------ --| http://perso.wanadoo.fr/pascal.obry --| --| "The best way to travel is by means of imagination" ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Latin and other irrelevant topics 2001-01-28 8:48 ` Pascal Obry @ 2001-01-29 1:49 ` Robert Dewar 2001-01-29 7:01 ` dejmej 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Robert Dewar @ 2001-01-29 1:49 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <u8znw3vuy.fsf@wanadoo.fr>, Pascal Obry <p.obry@wanadoo.fr> wrote: > > Robert, > > You are not fair ! You most certainly like to remind peoples to stay on topic > and here the discussion is not a CLA one, right ? > > Please move this to a private discussion or to another news group. It is not a > good idea to debate about the News reader missing features... or we will have > a very big amount of message on CLA, or is that to bump statistics :) There seem to be quite a few people who like this thread, including many CLA regulars. So I think it is more reasonable that those who DON'T want to read it simply kill the thread, than demand it stop. As I said before, the only thing that worries me is when a legitimate discussion goes off topic, but I really can't see how anyone can object to a thread with the above subject. (surely you are not telling me you use a reader which cannot kill threads :-) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Latin and other irrelevant topics 2001-01-29 1:49 ` Robert Dewar @ 2001-01-29 7:01 ` dejmej 2001-01-29 13:22 ` Ken Garlington 2001-02-02 21:46 ` Latin and other irrelevant topics Mark Lundquist 0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: dejmej @ 2001-01-29 7:01 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <952i6j$nv5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Robert Dewar <robert_dewar@my-deja.com> wrote: > In article <u8znw3vuy.fsf@wanadoo.fr>, > Pascal Obry <p.obry@wanadoo.fr> wrote: > > > > Robert, > > > > You are not fair ! You most certainly like to remind peoples > to stay on topic > > and here the discussion is not a CLA one, right ? > > > > Please move this to a private discussion or to another news > group. It is not a > > good idea to debate about the News reader missing features... > or we will have > > a very big amount of message on CLA, or is that to bump > statistics :) > > There seem to be quite a few people who like this thread, > including many CLA regulars. So I think it is more reasonable > that those who DON'T want to read it simply kill the thread, > than demand it stop. > > As I said before, the only thing that worries me is when a > legitimate discussion goes off topic, but I really can't see > how anyone can object to a thread with the above subject. > > (surely you are not telling me you use a reader which cannot > kill threads :-) > > Sent via Deja.com > http://www.deja.com/ > Which may be decoded to be an allowance to discuss anything on comp.lang.ada as long as the thread is popular with an extensive participation? While being under the heading of "Latin and other irrelevant topics": People studying computer languages are grown up people responsible for their own professional career. Why bother if their question to comp.lang.ada is a student homework. Just answer the question and stop worrying about whether that is the right studying technique for the person. Anders Wirzenius Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Latin and other irrelevant topics 2001-01-29 7:01 ` dejmej @ 2001-01-29 13:22 ` Ken Garlington 2001-01-29 20:20 ` Definitions. (Was Re: Latin and other irrelevant topics) Anders Wirzenius 2001-02-02 21:46 ` Latin and other irrelevant topics Mark Lundquist 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Ken Garlington @ 2001-01-29 13:22 UTC (permalink / raw) <dejmej@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:9534fn$5nt$1@nnrp1.deja.com... : : Which may be decoded to be an allowance to : discuss anything on comp.lang.ada as long as the : thread is popular with an extensive participation? Assuming comp.lang.ada represents a community, and "extensive participation" implies majority consent that the thread is acceptable to them, sounds reasonable to me... : While being under the heading of "Latin and other : irrelevant topics": : People studying computer languages are grown up : people responsible for their own professional : career. Why bother if their question to : comp.lang.ada is a student homework. Just answer : the question and stop worrying about whether that : is the right studying technique for the person. In other words, "Am I my brother's keeper?" Personally, I prefer the alternate view -- that professional engineers (software or otherwise) have some responsibility to encourage good behaviors in those working to become (or remain) professionals. http://computer.org/tab/code11.htm ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Definitions. (Was Re: Latin and other irrelevant topics) 2001-01-29 13:22 ` Ken Garlington @ 2001-01-29 20:20 ` Anders Wirzenius 2001-01-30 3:35 ` Ken Garlington 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Anders Wirzenius @ 2001-01-29 20:20 UTC (permalink / raw) "Ken Garlington" <Ken.Garlington@computer.org> wrote in message news:28ed6.71$1Q4.26810@news.flash.net... > <dejmej@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:9534fn$5nt$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > : > : Which may be decoded to be an allowance to > : discuss anything on comp.lang.ada as long as the > : thread is popular with an extensive participation? > > Assuming comp.lang.ada represents a community, and "extensive participation" > implies majority consent that the thread is acceptable to them, sounds > reasonable to me... is_acceptable ::= written_acceptance | passive_silence | ? them ::= 80_ %_of_persons_ever_particapated_in_cla | some_of_ ... | cla_police_force | ? Anders Wirzenius ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Definitions. (Was Re: Latin and other irrelevant topics) 2001-01-29 20:20 ` Definitions. (Was Re: Latin and other irrelevant topics) Anders Wirzenius @ 2001-01-30 3:35 ` Ken Garlington 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Ken Garlington @ 2001-01-30 3:35 UTC (permalink / raw) "Anders Wirzenius" <anders.wirzenius@pp.qnet.fi> wrote in message news:cgkd6.411$9v.20772@read2.inet.fi... : : "Ken Garlington" <Ken.Garlington@computer.org> wrote in message : news:28ed6.71$1Q4.26810@news.flash.net... : > <dejmej@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:9534fn$5nt$1@nnrp1.deja.com... : > : : > : Which may be decoded to be an allowance to : > : discuss anything on comp.lang.ada as long as the : > : thread is popular with an extensive participation? : > : > Assuming comp.lang.ada represents a community, and "extensive : participation" : > implies majority consent that the thread is acceptable to them, sounds : > reasonable to me... : : is_acceptable ::= written_acceptance | passive_silence | ? : them ::= 80_ %_of_persons_ever_particapated_in_cla | some_of_ ... | : cla_police_force | ? : : Anders Wirzenius Yes :) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Latin and other irrelevant topics 2001-01-29 7:01 ` dejmej 2001-01-29 13:22 ` Ken Garlington @ 2001-02-02 21:46 ` Mark Lundquist 2001-02-05 6:54 ` Subject line correctness Anders Wirzenius 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Mark Lundquist @ 2001-02-02 21:46 UTC (permalink / raw) <dejmej@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:9534fn$5nt$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <952i6j$nv5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > Robert Dewar <robert_dewar@my-deja.com> wrote: > > > > There seem to be quite a few people who like > this thread, > > including many CLA regulars. So I think it is > more reasonable > > that those who DON'T want to read it simply > kill the thread, > > than demand it stop. > > > > As I said before, the only thing that worries > me is when a > > legitimate discussion goes off topic, but I > really can't see > > how anyone can object to a thread with the > above subject. > > > > Which may be decoded to be an allowance to > discuss anything on comp.lang.ada as long as the > thread is popular with an extensive participation? That's the idea! :-) As long as the normal etiquette of indicating the off-topicness in the Subject line, I don't see a thing wrong with it. One convention found in some newsgroups is to prefix subjects with "OT" for "off-topic". Will tolerating these threads cause our signal-to-noise ratio to plummet? No, because the discussion will dry up and blow away on its own if it doesn't get critical mass. Most of these originated in some relevant thread, and only after we've gone down a rabbit-trail for a few posts and are still going strong is the subject line changed to indicate that it's taken on a life of its own as an off-topic thread. So if I were to start a thread on "The secret life of lint", or "Broccoli: large vegetable, or tiny tree?" it's unlikely that it would be sustained. I've really enjoyed following this "Latin..." thread. It's also interesting to see how these threads often have a way of working themselves back to being on-topic. :-) Mark ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Subject line correctness 2001-02-02 21:46 ` Latin and other irrelevant topics Mark Lundquist @ 2001-02-05 6:54 ` Anders Wirzenius 2001-02-05 23:25 ` Mark Lundquist 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Anders Wirzenius @ 2001-02-05 6:54 UTC (permalink / raw) Mark Lundquist wrote in message <95fbit$nen$3@usenet.rational.com>... > ><dejmej@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:9534fn$5nt$1@nnrp1.deja.com... >> In article <952i6j$nv5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, >> Robert Dewar <robert_dewar@my-deja.com> wrote: >> > ... >> > As I said before, the only thing that worries >> me is when a >> > legitimate discussion goes off topic, but I >> really can't see >> > how anyone can object to a thread with the >> above subject. >> > >> >> Which may be decoded to be an allowance to >> discuss anything on comp.lang.ada as long as the >> thread is popular with an extensive participation? > >That's the idea! :-) > >As long as the normal etiquette of indicating the off-topicness in the >Subject line, I don't see a thing wrong with it. So be it. > >One convention found in some newsgroups is to prefix subjects with "OT" for >"off-topic". Will tolerating these threads cause our signal-to-noise ratio >to plummet? No, because the discussion will dry up and blow away on its own So I changed the heading of this ,message to "Subject line correctness" > >I've really enjoyed following this "Latin..." thread. > >It's also interesting to see how these threads often have a way of working >themselves back to being on-topic. That you unfortunately cannot read from the subject line unless the content of it has some indication. You may have dropped the thread some time ago :-( ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Subject line correctness 2001-02-05 6:54 ` Subject line correctness Anders Wirzenius @ 2001-02-05 23:25 ` Mark Lundquist 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Mark Lundquist @ 2001-02-05 23:25 UTC (permalink / raw) Anders Wirzenius <anders.wirzenius@pp.qnet.fi> wrote in message news:07sf6.15$L12.1783@read2.inet.fi... > > Mark Lundquist wrote in message <95fbit$nen$3@usenet.rational.com>... > > > >It's also interesting to see how these threads often have a way of working > >themselves back to being on-topic. > > That you unfortunately cannot read from the subject line ...until someone changes it again. "Thread morphing" happens to everything, whether on-topic or off. Just look at where "Parameter Modes In, In Out and Out" went (I promise to change the subject line if and when I post on that thread again! :-). Most threads that stay alive for more than a few posts devolve into discussions of something other than the subject line would indicate, and then it's time to change the subject line. -- mark ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2001-02-05 23:25 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 17+ messages (download: mbox.gz / follow: Atom feed) -- links below jump to the message on this page -- [not found] <mailman.980514018.8909.comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org> 2001-01-26 15:37 ` Latin and other irrelevant topics Robert Dewar 2001-01-26 15:58 ` Ted Dennison 2001-01-26 21:11 ` Lao Xiao Hai 2001-01-26 23:43 ` Nick Williams 2001-01-27 14:22 ` Marin David Condic 2001-01-27 15:07 ` Georg Bauhaus 2001-01-27 16:28 ` Florian Weimer 2001-01-28 0:05 ` Robert Dewar 2001-01-28 8:48 ` Pascal Obry 2001-01-29 1:49 ` Robert Dewar 2001-01-29 7:01 ` dejmej 2001-01-29 13:22 ` Ken Garlington 2001-01-29 20:20 ` Definitions. (Was Re: Latin and other irrelevant topics) Anders Wirzenius 2001-01-30 3:35 ` Ken Garlington 2001-02-02 21:46 ` Latin and other irrelevant topics Mark Lundquist 2001-02-05 6:54 ` Subject line correctness Anders Wirzenius 2001-02-05 23:25 ` Mark Lundquist
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