* RE: When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?) [not found] <B6A1A9B09E52D31183ED00A0C9E0888C4699B6@nctswashxchg.nctswash.navy.mil> @ 2001-01-22 11:40 ` Mario Amado Alves 2001-01-22 16:42 ` Robert Dewar 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Mario Amado Alves @ 2001-01-22 11:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: comp.lang.ada On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Beard, Frank wrote: > Where can we go to see a list of the proposed updates to the language? Cf. the Ada Futures Casbah Manifesto at: http://lexis.di.fct.unl.pt/ADaLIB/Ada_Futures/casbah.cgi Access elements: nome => adaphile senha => :)ot | |,| | | |RuaFranciscoTaborda24RcD 2815-249CharnecaCaparica 351+939354005 |M|A|R|I|O| |A|M|A|D|O|DepartmentoDeInformaticaFCT/UNL 2825-114 Caparica 351+212958536 |A|L|V|E|S| fax 212948541 | | | | | | maa@di.fct.unl.pt FCT 212948300 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* RE: When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?) 2001-01-22 11:40 ` When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?) Mario Amado Alves @ 2001-01-22 16:42 ` Robert Dewar 2001-01-22 18:24 ` Pascal Obry 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Robert Dewar @ 2001-01-22 16:42 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <mailman.980163387.21417.comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org>, comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org wrote: > On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Beard, Frank wrote: > > Where can we go to see a list of the proposed updates to the language? > > Cf. the Ada Futures Casbah Manifesto at: ^^ that means "compare", I think you mean QV or VD, but perhaps it is better to avoid latin phrases which people are likely to misunderstand anyway and stick to english :-) "See also" would probably be clearest! > > http://lexis.di.fct.unl.pt/ADaLIB/Ada_Futures/casbah.cgi This seems to be designed to be as inaccessible as possible A nasty complicated URL, impossible to remember, and > Access elements: > > nome => adaphile > senha => :)ot a password (which really should not be necesary, what on earth is the point of a password which you post publicly) which is tricky to read since both colon and right paren can easily be confused with semicolon and right brace :-) Also, on finally getting to this, it is very thin containing two vague ideas not spelled out. I think it would be much more useful for people to use as a starting point: 1. The enhancement AI's being examined by the ARG 2. Ideas spelled out in early Ada 95 mapping documents that were rejected. In many cases, these were completely worked out, and everyone agreed they were in isolation reasonable, but there was general agreement (perhaps by everyone except the design team :-) that the proposal had to be simplified so some perfectly reasonable, very nicely designed features were omitted. For example, the extended exception design is very worth while looking at, although it should probably be reexamined with an eye to interoperation with C++. Another proposal to look at most certainly is 'Class applied to non-tagged objects. There were several reasons for rejecting this including: 1. It was felt to weaken the typing system too much 2. It was felt to create confusion wrt tagged types 3. It would have required major RM rewriting Historically it was reason 3 that was considered very significant, but that's ironic, since (against the advice of some of us :-) the RM was completely rewritten in a totally different style in any case. So given that 3 has disappeared as a reason, it is worth arguing 1 and 2 again. Perhaps we could even consider the class x is .... proposal again :-) > > | |,| | | |RuaFranciscoTaborda24RcD 2815-249CharnecaCaparica 351+939354005 > |M|A|R|I|O| > |A|M|A|D|O|DepartmentoDeInformaticaFCT/UNL 2825-114 Caparica 351+212958536 > |A|L|V|E|S| fax 212948541 > | | | | | | maa@di.fct.unl.pt FCT 212948300 > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?) 2001-01-22 16:42 ` Robert Dewar @ 2001-01-22 18:24 ` Pascal Obry 2001-01-22 20:27 ` Mark Lundquist 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Pascal Obry @ 2001-01-22 18:24 UTC (permalink / raw) Robert Dewar <robert_dewar@my-deja.com> writes: > > Cf. the Ada Futures Casbah Manifesto at: > ^^ > that means "compare", I think you mean QV or VD, but perhaps > it is better to avoid latin phrases which people are likely > to misunderstand anyway and stick to english :-) "See also" > would probably be clearest! Well this is not comp.lang.latin but here we use "cf." to say something like "have a look at the reference"... very close to your "See also" ! Now, for sure, I'm not a latin expert :) Pascal. -- --|------------------------------------------------------ --| Pascal Obry Team-Ada Member --| 45, rue Gabriel Peri - 78114 Magny Les Hameaux FRANCE --|------------------------------------------------------ --| http://perso.wanadoo.fr/pascal.obry --| --| "The best way to travel is by means of imagination" ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?) 2001-01-22 18:24 ` Pascal Obry @ 2001-01-22 20:27 ` Mark Lundquist 2001-01-22 22:19 ` Mark Lundquist 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Mark Lundquist @ 2001-01-22 20:27 UTC (permalink / raw) viz. this thread, cf. the barbershop scene in "Get Shorty", i.e., "i.e. vs. e.g."! :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) --mark Pascal Obry <p.obry@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message news:uwvbnsavi.fsf@wanadoo.fr... > Robert Dewar <robert_dewar@my-deja.com> writes: > > > > Cf. the Ada Futures Casbah Manifesto at: > > ^^ > > that means "compare", I think you mean QV or VD, but perhaps > > it is better to avoid latin phrases which people are likely > > to misunderstand anyway and stick to english :-) "See also" > > would probably be clearest! > > Well this is not comp.lang.latin but here we use "cf." to say > something like "have a look at the reference"... very close > to your "See also" ! > > Now, for sure, I'm not a latin expert :) > > Pascal. > > -- > > --|------------------------------------------------------ > --| Pascal Obry Team-Ada Member > --| 45, rue Gabriel Peri - 78114 Magny Les Hameaux FRANCE > --|------------------------------------------------------ > --| http://perso.wanadoo.fr/pascal.obry > --| > --| "The best way to travel is by means of imagination" ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?) 2001-01-22 20:27 ` Mark Lundquist @ 2001-01-22 22:19 ` Mark Lundquist 2001-01-22 22:58 ` Keith Thompson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Mark Lundquist @ 2001-01-22 22:19 UTC (permalink / raw) Mark Lundquist <mark@rational.com> wrote in message news:94i5qu$rcm$1@usenet.rational.com... > > viz. this thread, cf. the barbershop scene in "Get Shorty", i.e., "i.e. vs. ^^^ Did I say that? I did...! I meant "vis a vis". > e.g."! > :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) --mark I'm sticking to English from now on. Or whatever it is that I speak :-) --mark ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?) 2001-01-22 22:19 ` Mark Lundquist @ 2001-01-22 22:58 ` Keith Thompson 2001-01-23 4:00 ` Mark Lundquist 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Keith Thompson @ 2001-01-22 22:58 UTC (permalink / raw) "Mark Lundquist" <mark@rational.com> writes: [...] > I'm sticking to English from now on. Or whatever it is that I speak :-) You're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition. I think you meant, "On from now sticking to English I am." -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst@cts.com <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst> San Diego Supercomputer Center <*> <http://www.sdsc.edu/~kst> MAKE MONEY FAST!! DON'T FEED IT!! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?) 2001-01-22 22:58 ` Keith Thompson @ 2001-01-23 4:00 ` Mark Lundquist [not found] ` <87vgr6r82h.fsf@deneb.enyo.de> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Mark Lundquist @ 2001-01-23 4:00 UTC (permalink / raw) That must be the Forth version... Keith Thompson <kst@cts.com> wrote in message news:yecae8jjis0.fsf@king.cts.com... > "Mark Lundquist" <mark@rational.com> writes: > [...] > > I'm sticking to English from now on. Or whatever it is that I speak :-) > > You're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition. I think you > meant, "On from now sticking to English I am." > > -- > Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst@cts.com <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst> > San Diego Supercomputer Center <*> <http://www.sdsc.edu/~kst> > MAKE MONEY FAST!! DON'T FEED IT!! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
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* Re: When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?) [not found] ` <87vgr6r82h.fsf@deneb.enyo.de> @ 2001-02-02 22:19 ` Nick Roberts 2001-02-03 5:16 ` Robert Dewar 2001-02-03 13:52 ` When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?) Marin David Condic 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Nick Roberts @ 2001-02-02 22:19 UTC (permalink / raw) "This is the kind of language up with which we will not put!" (Winston Churchill) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?) 2001-02-02 22:19 ` Nick Roberts @ 2001-02-03 5:16 ` Robert Dewar 2001-02-03 16:43 ` David Starner 2001-02-03 13:52 ` When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?) Marin David Condic 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Robert Dewar @ 2001-02-03 5:16 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <95fbsk$ggban$1@ID-25716.news.dfncis.de>, "Nick Roberts" <nickroberts@callnetuk.com> wrote: > "This is the kind of language up with which we will not put!" (Winston > Churchill) I don't think this quotation is quite accurate, did you check it??? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?) 2001-02-03 5:16 ` Robert Dewar @ 2001-02-03 16:43 ` David Starner 2001-02-03 18:55 ` Another irrelevant thread, churchill quote Robert Dewar 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: David Starner @ 2001-02-03 16:43 UTC (permalink / raw) On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 05:16:48 GMT, Robert Dewar <robert_dewar@my-deja.com> wrote: >In article <95fbsk$ggban$1@ID-25716.news.dfncis.de>, > "Nick Roberts" <nickroberts@callnetuk.com> wrote: >> "This is the kind of language up with which we will not put!" >(Winston >> Churchill) > > >I don't think this quotation is quite accurate, did you check >it??? fortune has it as This is the sort of English up with which I will not put. -- Winston Churchill -- David Starner - dstarner98@aasaa.ofe.org Pointless website: http://dvdeug.dhis.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Another irrelevant thread, churchill quote 2001-02-03 16:43 ` David Starner @ 2001-02-03 18:55 ` Robert Dewar 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Robert Dewar @ 2001-02-03 18:55 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <95hcge$9aa1@news.cis.okstate.edu>, dstarner98@aasaa.ofe.org wrote: > This is the sort of English up with which I will not put. > -- Winston Churchill OK, that sounds right (I remembered shall instead of will, but I could be remembering wrong, and in any case the distinction between shall and will is the arbitrary out-of-the-blue invention of a Victorian grammarian :-) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?) 2001-02-02 22:19 ` Nick Roberts 2001-02-03 5:16 ` Robert Dewar @ 2001-02-03 13:52 ` Marin David Condic 2001-02-04 22:09 ` David C. Hoos, Sr. 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Marin David Condic @ 2001-02-03 13:52 UTC (permalink / raw) I thought it was "A ludicrous affectation, up with which..."? Or maybe it was someone else who said that? MDC Nick Roberts wrote: > "This is the kind of language up with which we will not put!" (Winston > Churchill) -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic - Quadrus Corporation - http://www.quadruscorp.com/ Send Replies To: m c o n d i c @ q u a d r u s c o r p . c o m Visit my web site at: http://www.mcondic.com/ "I'd trade it all for just a little more" -- Charles Montgomery Burns, [4F10] ====================================================================== ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?) 2001-02-03 13:52 ` When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?) Marin David Condic @ 2001-02-04 22:09 ` David C. Hoos, Sr. 2001-02-05 14:49 ` Another silly tangent (was: When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?)) Ted Dennison 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: David C. Hoos, Sr. @ 2001-02-04 22:09 UTC (permalink / raw) My recollection is that he retorted "This is the type of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put!" when an editor had blue-penciled a sentence which he had ended with a preposition. I believe I read it in one of the six volumes of Churchill's "The Second World War" back in about 1954. "Marin David Condic" <mcondic.auntie.spam@acm.org> wrote in message news:3A7C0D13.41AE7BB3@acm.org... > I thought it was "A ludicrous affectation, up with which..."? > > Or maybe it was someone else who said that? > > MDC > > Nick Roberts wrote: > > > "This is the kind of language up with which we will not put!" (Winston > > Churchill) > > -- > ====================================================================== > Marin David Condic - Quadrus Corporation - http://www.quadruscorp.com/ > Send Replies To: m c o n d i c @ q u a d r u s c o r p . c o m > Visit my web site at: http://www.mcondic.com/ > > "I'd trade it all for just a little more" > -- Charles Montgomery Burns, [4F10] > ====================================================================== > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Another silly tangent (was: When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?)) 2001-02-04 22:09 ` David C. Hoos, Sr. @ 2001-02-05 14:49 ` Ted Dennison 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Ted Dennison @ 2001-02-05 14:49 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <Uqkf6.41070$Ch.8936106@newsrump.sjc.telocity.net>, "David C. Hoos, Sr." <david.c.hoos.sr@ada95.com> wrote: > My recollection is that he retorted > "This is the type of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put!" > when an editor had blue-penciled a sentence which he had > ended with a preposition. > I believe I read it in one of the six volumes of Churchill's > "The Second World War" back in about 1954. I've read them all twice within the last 3 years, and I remember no such statement; in fact its completely new to me. Of course that's the wonderful thing about having a bad memory. I can reread mystery novels a year later and they are just as good as the first time I read them. :-) BTW: Given a choice between reading Shakespere and Churchill, I'll take Churchill any day of the week. :-) -- T.E.D. http://www.telepath.com/~dennison/Ted/TED.html Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
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