RE: When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?)

RE: When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?)

[Mario Amado Alves]

On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Beard, Frank wrote:
> Where can we go to see a list of the proposed updates to the language?

Cf. the Ada Futures Casbah Manifesto at:

  http://lexis.di.fct.unl.pt/ADaLIB/Ada_Futures/casbah.cgi

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RE: When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?)

[Robert Dewar]

In article <mailman.980163387.21417.comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org>,
  comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, Beard, Frank wrote:
> > Where can we go to see a list of the proposed updates to
the language?
>
> Cf. the Ada Futures Casbah Manifesto at:
  ^^
that means "compare", I think you mean QV or VD, but perhaps
it is better to avoid latin phrases which people are likely
to misunderstand anyway and stick to english :-) "See also"
would probably be clearest!
>
>   http://lexis.di.fct.unl.pt/ADaLIB/Ada_Futures/casbah.cgi

This seems to be designed to be as inaccessible as possible
A nasty complicated URL, impossible to remember, and

> Access elements:
>
>   nome  => adaphile
>   senha => :)ot

a password (which really should not be necesary, what on earth
is the point of a password which you post publicly) which is
tricky to read since both colon and right paren can easily be
confused with semicolon and right brace :-)

Also, on finally getting to this, it is very thin containing
two vague ideas not spelled out. I think it would be much more
useful for people to use as a starting point:

1. The enhancement AI's being examined by the ARG

2. Ideas spelled out in early Ada 95 mapping documents that
were rejected. In many cases, these were completely worked out,
and everyone agreed they were in isolation reasonable, but
there was general agreement (perhaps by everyone except the
design team :-) that the proposal had to be simplified so some
perfectly reasonable, very nicely designed features were
omitted. For example, the extended exception design is very
worth while looking at, although it should probably be
reexamined with an eye to interoperation with C++.

Another proposal to look at most certainly is 'Class applied
to non-tagged objects. There were several reasons for rejecting
this including:

 1. It was felt to weaken the typing system too much
 2. It was felt to create confusion wrt tagged types
 3. It would have required major RM rewriting

Historically it was reason 3 that was considered very
significant, but that's ironic, since (against the advice
of some of us :-) the RM was completely rewritten in a
totally different style in any case.

So given that 3 has disappeared as a reason, it is worth
arguing 1 and 2 again.

Perhaps we could even consider the

   class x is ....

proposal again :-)



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Re: When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?)

[Pascal Obry]

Robert Dewar <robert_dewar@my-deja.com> writes:

> > Cf. the Ada Futures Casbah Manifesto at:
>   ^^
> that means "compare", I think you mean QV or VD, but perhaps
> it is better to avoid latin phrases which people are likely
> to misunderstand anyway and stick to english :-) "See also"
> would probably be clearest!

Well this is not comp.lang.latin but here we use "cf." to say
something like "have a look at the reference"... very close
to your "See also" !

Now, for sure, I'm not a latin expert :)

Pascal.

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Re: When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?)

[Mark Lundquist]

viz. this thread, cf. the barbershop scene in "Get Shorty", i.e., "i.e. vs.
e.g."!
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) --mark

Pascal Obry <p.obry@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:uwvbnsavi.fsf@wanadoo.fr...
> Robert Dewar <robert_dewar@my-deja.com> writes:
>
> > > Cf. the Ada Futures Casbah Manifesto at:
> >   ^^
> > that means "compare", I think you mean QV or VD, but perhaps
> > it is better to avoid latin phrases which people are likely
> > to misunderstand anyway and stick to english :-) "See also"
> > would probably be clearest!
>
> Well this is not comp.lang.latin but here we use "cf." to say
> something like "have a look at the reference"... very close
> to your "See also" !
>
> Now, for sure, I'm not a latin expert :)
>
> Pascal.
>
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>
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Re: When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?)

[Mark Lundquist]

Mark Lundquist <mark@rational.com> wrote in message
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>
> viz. this thread, cf. the barbershop scene in "Get Shorty", i.e., "i.e.
vs.
   ^^^
   Did I say that?  I did...!
   I meant "vis a vis".
> e.g."!
> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) --mark

I'm sticking to English from now on.  Or whatever it is that I speak :-)
--mark

Re: When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?)

[Keith Thompson]

"Mark Lundquist" <mark@rational.com> writes:
[...]
> I'm sticking to English from now on.  Or whatever it is that I speak :-)

You're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition.  I think you
meant, "On from now sticking to English I am."

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Re: When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?)

[Mark Lundquist]

That must be the Forth version...

Keith Thompson <kst@cts.com> wrote in message
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> "Mark Lundquist" <mark@rational.com> writes:
> [...]
> > I'm sticking to English from now on.  Or whatever it is that I speak :-)
>
> You're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition.  I think you
> meant, "On from now sticking to English I am."
>
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Re: When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?)

[Nick Roberts]

"This is the kind of language up with which we will not put!" (Winston
Churchill)

Re: When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?)

[Robert Dewar]

In article <95fbsk$ggban$1@ID-25716.news.dfncis.de>,
  "Nick Roberts" <nickroberts@callnetuk.com> wrote:
> "This is the kind of language up with which we will not put!"
(Winston
> Churchill)


I don't think this quotation is quite accurate, did you check
it???


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Re: When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?)

[David Starner]

On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 05:16:48 GMT, Robert Dewar <robert_dewar@my-deja.com> wrote:
>In article <95fbsk$ggban$1@ID-25716.news.dfncis.de>,
>  "Nick Roberts" <nickroberts@callnetuk.com> wrote:
>> "This is the kind of language up with which we will not put!"
>(Winston
>> Churchill)
>
>
>I don't think this quotation is quite accurate, did you check
>it???

fortune has it as

This is the sort of English up with which I will not put.
              -- Winston Churchill

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Another irrelevant thread, churchill quote

[Robert Dewar]

In article <95hcge$9aa1@news.cis.okstate.edu>,
  dstarner98@aasaa.ofe.org wrote:

> This is the sort of English up with which I will not put.
>               -- Winston Churchill

OK, that sounds right (I remembered shall instead of will, but
I could be remembering wrong, and in any case the distinction
between shall and will is the arbitrary out-of-the-blue
invention of a Victorian grammarian :-)


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Re: When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?)

[Marin David Condic]

I thought it was "A ludicrous affectation, up with which..."?

Or maybe it was someone else who said that?

MDC

Nick Roberts wrote:

> "This is the kind of language up with which we will not put!" (Winston
> Churchill)

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Re: When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?)

[David C. Hoos, Sr.]

My recollection is that he retorted
"This is the type of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put!"
when an editor had blue-penciled a sentence which he had
ended with a preposition.
I believe I read it in one of the six volumes of Churchill's
"The Second World War" back in about 1954.

"Marin David Condic" <mcondic.auntie.spam@acm.org> wrote in message
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> I thought it was "A ludicrous affectation, up with which..."?
>
> Or maybe it was someone else who said that?
>
> MDC
>
> Nick Roberts wrote:
>
> > "This is the kind of language up with which we will not put!" (Winston
> > Churchill)
>
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Another silly tangent (was: When will next Ada revision be? (83, 95, ?))

[Ted Dennison]

In article <Uqkf6.41070$Ch.8936106@newsrump.sjc.telocity.net>,
  "David C. Hoos, Sr." <david.c.hoos.sr@ada95.com> wrote:
> My recollection is that he retorted
> "This is the type of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put!"
> when an editor had blue-penciled a sentence which he had
> ended with a preposition.
> I believe I read it in one of the six volumes of Churchill's
> "The Second World War" back in about 1954.

I've read them all twice within the last 3 years, and I remember no such
statement; in fact its completely new to me. Of course that's the
wonderful thing about having a bad memory. I can reread mystery novels a
year later and they are just as good as the first time I read them. :-)

BTW: Given a choice between reading Shakespere and Churchill, I'll take
Churchill any day of the week. :-)

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