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From: Maciej Sobczak <see.my.homepage@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: What's stopping you from using Ada for your next commercial project?
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 05:33:55 -0800 (PST)
Date: 2011-03-10T05:33:55-08:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <949afceb-7f69-4109-9356-79ef983155f0@c8g2000vbv.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87r5afv0qa.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org

On 10 Mar, 09:27, Ludovic Brenta <ludo...@ludovic-brenta.org> wrote:

> Things are not as bleak as Maciej makes them seem; by his own admission,
> most of the bugs he encountered were with interfaces.

This is true. I have eagerly used interfaces in my project, because
they properly represent my design habits in the particular domain I'm
interested it. I like limited unconstrained types, too and extended
return construct completes this picture.

> the real figure is probably 1% for us,
> below noise level.  That's probably because we don't use interfaces :)

This is perfectly OK and represents the continuity of your long-term
project, which started long time ago. I would never expect to see the
same code structure in your project as in mine, as they have been
started in completely different circumstances.
I'm also fully aware that experience with the given toolchain
contributes a lot to the final result. I can imagine that for every
new development I will do, the effort related to compiler bugs will be
a lot smaller - I will simply know what to avoid and I will be able to
foresee workarounds before I will actually need them. This is obvious
and that's why I don't despair and treat it as a (unavoidable?) step
in the whole process of adopting the new technology.

But we are talking about companies selecting Ada for new projects, not
about benefiting from old experiences.

Imagine a company that selects Ada for a pilot project or for
evaluation and that hits the same kind of problems. Fighting with the
compiler is not something that such a company should experience at the
very beginning. If "Ada is too difficult for us", then what? Stick to
Java?

--
Maciej Sobczak
http://www.inspirel.com/



  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-03-10 13:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-08 22:23 What's stopping you from using Ada for your next commercial project? Lucretia
2011-03-09  3:19 ` Hoàng Đình Long
2011-03-09  8:41   ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-03-09  8:58 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-03-09 14:17   ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-09 14:21     ` localhost
2011-03-09 15:06       ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-09 15:17         ` localhost
2011-03-10 14:20     ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-03-10 14:31       ` Thomas Løcke
2011-03-10 16:01         ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-10 16:07       ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-10 17:31         ` Dirk Craeynest
2011-03-09 20:43   ` Simon Wright
2011-03-09 22:04     ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-03-10  0:38       ` Lucretia
2011-03-10  7:52         ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-03-10  8:06       ` Thomas Løcke
2011-03-10  8:26         ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-03-10 10:28           ` Thomas Løcke
2011-03-10 10:45           ` J-P. Rosen
2011-03-11  9:40           ` Hoàng Đình Long
2011-03-13 11:09             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-13 10:55           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-10  8:27         ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-03-10 10:35           ` Thomas Løcke
2011-03-10 11:12             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-10 12:17               ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-10 12:27               ` Thomas Løcke
2011-03-10 12:58                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-10 13:30                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-10 13:49                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-03-10 14:31                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-10 14:45                       ` Thomas Løcke
2011-03-10 15:17                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-13 11:38                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-13 11:58                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-13 12:17                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-13 14:35                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-14  2:38                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-14  8:43                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-10 21:11                 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-03-11  8:12                   ` Manfred Kremer
2011-03-11 12:04                     ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-03-11 22:40                       ` Randy Brukardt
2011-03-11 23:24                         ` Dan
2011-03-10 13:33           ` Maciej Sobczak [this message]
2011-03-10 17:08           ` Dirk Craeynest
2011-03-14 19:11           ` Florian Weimer
2011-03-14 21:10             ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-03-13 10:51         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-13 10:24       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-13 21:43         ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-03-13 22:04           ` Thomas Løcke
2011-03-14  0:09           ` Simon Wright
2011-03-14  2:57             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-14 16:45               ` Pascal Obry
2011-03-14 18:29               ` Simon Wright
2011-03-14 18:37             ` Florian Weimer
2011-03-14 19:43               ` Simon Wright
2011-03-14  2:53           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-13 10:29       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-13 21:48         ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-03-13 10:34       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-13 11:42         ` Simon Wright
2011-03-13 12:06           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-12 19:55     ` Florian Weimer
2011-03-25 12:36   ` Marco
2011-03-25 22:30     ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-03-26 12:00       ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-27 21:13         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-27 20:49     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-09  9:11 ` Thomas Løcke
2011-03-12 21:50   ` Lucretia
2011-03-09 10:39 ` localhost
2011-03-09 11:24   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-03-09 11:38     ` localhost
2011-03-09 14:16       ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-10 10:21     ` Gerd
2011-03-10 11:27       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-10 11:49       ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-11  8:37       ` Stephen Leake
2011-03-11 12:08         ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-03-11 15:15         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-11 15:37         ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-12 20:26           ` Florian Weimer
2011-03-26 15:15         ` Gerd
2011-03-26 16:20           ` Pascal Obry
2011-03-09 11:36   ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-03-09 11:42     ` localhost
2011-03-10  2:22 ` KK6GM
2011-03-11 14:01   ` Rego
2011-03-11 15:20     ` KK6GM
2011-03-11 16:42       ` Rego
2011-03-11 18:15         ` KK6GM
2011-03-11 20:09           ` Thomas Løcke
2011-03-11 16:46       ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-14 12:18         ` jonathan
2011-03-14 14:12           ` KK6GM
2011-04-08 12:53             ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2011-03-14 18:00           ` Niklas Holsti
2011-03-12 12:47       ` Stephen Leake
2011-03-12 18:15         ` KK6GM
2011-03-13 17:55           ` Lucretia
2011-03-14  3:28             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-15  0:40               ` Lucretia
2011-03-14  3:20         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-14  3:17       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-14 12:15         ` KK6GM
2011-03-14 13:41           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-14 14:05             ` KK6GM
2011-03-14 14:38               ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-03-14 14:07             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-14 14:00           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-14 14:09             ` KK6GM
2011-03-14 14:42               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-14 17:17                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-14 17:25                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-14 20:04                     ` Simon Clubley
2011-03-14 22:12                       ` J-P. Rosen
2011-03-15 12:11                         ` Simon Clubley
2011-03-15 20:25                           ` J-P. Rosen
2011-03-15 14:55                         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-15 20:28                           ` J-P. Rosen
2011-03-15  4:10                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-14 14:39             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-10 21:35 ` Gautier write-only
2011-03-13 12:04   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
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