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* Re: Ada in Australia (was Ada ad in Embedded Systems Programming stinks)
@ 1994-10-28 11:55 Bob Wells #402
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From: Bob Wells #402 @ 1994-10-28 11:55 UTC (permalink / raw)


Brendan WALKER <bjw@F111.IASSF.EASAMS.COM.AU> writes..

> In article <9410131051.AA29342@eurocontrol.de>,
> Bob Wells #402  <wel@EUROCONTROL.DE> wrote:
> >Brendan WALKER <bjw@F111.IASSF.EASAMS.COM.AU> writes
> >
> >> PS: We do NOT have an Ada mandate from our DoD in Australia, but on
> >> some defence projects in the past Ada has been specified. This practice
> >> is now almost extinct.
> >
> >G'day Brendan,
> >Do you mean that the Collins submarine project, the ANZAC frigate project
> >and the JOHRN project aren't being done in Ada?
> >Bob W. (-:
>
> G'day to you too, Bob,
>
> No, that is not what I meant. The three programs that you mention were all
> contracted between 3 and 7 years ago! Some of these are in fact the projects
> to which I was referring where Ada has been mandated in the past. Note that
> in these cases, Ada was in fact mandated by the project office concerned,
> specifically for the one project only.
>
> My original statement that "We do NOT have an Ada mandate from our DoD in
> Australia" is correct.
>

This was not what I was opposing. This is bloody obvious! (-: (not to mention
a source of satisfaction for many in the Ada world that Oz uses Ada because we
want to, and not because we *have* to! Dare I say the *M* word. (-: )

> Note also that about 9 out of 10 RFT's coming out of the Australian DoD in
> the past few years DO NOT mandate Ada. The typical statement is that "A high
> level language, such as Ada, C, or C++ should be used". There is also
> usually a big emphasis on the use of COTS, (Commercial Off The Shelf),
> software in any proposed solution.
>

Once again this is similar to what the DoD's policy is. "If there is something
out there that does what we want, buy that! Don't go out and pay for something
to be custom built. Even if it is going to be done in Ada!" I thought that ongoi
ng
support for the use of Ada was quite forthcoming in Oz? Given the maintainabilit
y
advantages of Ada (when correctly used in the first place), Defence prefers that
Ada be used as I understand it. Did the original RFT's for the above projects sa
y
that *only* Ada was to be used? Isn't the JORN project still being moved from
FORTRAN to Ada?

What about your F111 work? Was the RFT written exclusively specifying Ada? Did
you have to justify your choice of C++ (if my memory serves me correctly) to the
customer (I guess the RAAF).

> It is also worth noting that of three Ada projects you mentioned, I know for
> a fact that at least two of these are in SERIOUS trouble, facing serious
> architectual/design problems and the resulting cost and schedule slip (like 3+
> years late!!).
>

Which two? Is this a "from what I've read in the newspapers" type statement or a
true assessment?

Anyone out there from Telstar care to comment on JORN?

Anyone from CSA care to comment on the sub project? Andy Lees, are you still at
CSA? Can you comment here?

I assume that these two are the ones you mean. (Or if it is the ANZAC frigate
project, can anyone from CSA comment on that?)

We've had one Ada flop where everything was thrown out (Queensland TAB) let's
hope that these aren't aswell.

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* Re: Ada in Australia (was Ada ad in Embedded Systems Programming stinks)
@ 1994-10-31 10:33 Bob Wells #402
  1994-10-31 17:12 ` Norman H. Cohen
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From: Bob Wells #402 @ 1994-10-31 10:33 UTC (permalink / raw)


William Fang <wfan1@LINDBLAT.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU> writes

> This was about 10 years ago.  I'm not suprised that folks are having
> a hard time getting programs to work well on 10 year old computers.
> I'd be suprised if compiler vendors supported architectures that old.

Bill,
I'm sure that these boxes must have been for the old Oberon class subs and
not the new Collins class subs.
Bob W.



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* Re: Ada ad in Embedded Systems Programming stinks
@ 1994-10-13 10:51 Bob Wells #402
  1994-10-27  5:45 ` Ada in Australia (was Ada ad in Embedded Systems Programming stinks) Brendan WALKER
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From: Bob Wells #402 @ 1994-10-13 10:51 UTC (permalink / raw)


Brendan WALKER <bjw@F111.IASSF.EASAMS.COM.AU> writes

> PS: We do NOT have an Ada mandate from our DoD in Australia, but on
> some defence projects in the past Ada has been specified. This practice
> is now almost extinct.

G'day Brendan,
Do you mean that the Collins submarine project, the ANZAC frigate project
and the JOHRN project aren't being done in Ada?
Bob W. (-:



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