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From: dmitry6243@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: Parameter Modes, In In Out and Out
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:13:50 GMT
Date: 2001-01-12T12:13:50+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <93msdr$5pk$1@nnrp1.deja.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 93l89r$r9m$1@nnrp1.deja.com

In article <93l89r$r9m$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  mark_lundquist@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <93cagm$c1j$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>   dmitry6243@my-deja.com wrote:

> > Maybe I am wrong, but it seems that RM does not forbid to keep the
> > type tag separated from the value. Does it?
>
> No, it doesn't; it's just that the tag is not "part of" the value
> (regardless of where it is "kept").
>
> > Anyway the clear distinction of normal types and class-wide types is
> > an excellent (revolutionaly, IMO) concept. It is pity that Ada 95
> > didn't use all advantages of the concept. For instance, to have
> > multiple dispatch, or even, all types "tagged"!
>
> Interesting idea, but I don't know that I agree it's "a pity" that Ada
> didn't do these things. Ada is a practical language.  Making scalars,
> etc. carry a tag around wouldn't be worth it. It would really foul up
> system-level programming and interfacing to other languages.

No, you need a tag only in a class-wide. 90% of all code does not
involve class-wide values, references or pointers. I do not think that
Integer's + and - should be dispaching (:-)) even if Integer
is "tagged". 'Value and 'Image are much better candidates.

In any case if the tag is kept separately you can interface to all
other languages until you make dispatchig calls. To have it safe, there
should be a way to say which parameter of a primitive operation is
dispatching and which is not. If all parameters are non-dispatching,
you have a normal subroutine suitable to interface even with FORTRAN-IV.

> I don't see a whole lot of value in doing classwide programming on
> integers or arrays anyway (with plenty of opportunity for obscure
> code). Can't you get the same effect by declaring a tagged container,
> then deriving from that?

What about implementation of the attributes like 'Image, 'Read, 'Output
etc. as dispatching subroutines? I made no detailed investigation, but
I think that many currently hard-coded things could be then expressed
in the terms of the language.

--
Regards,
Dmitry Kazakov


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  reply	other threads:[~2001-01-12 12:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-01-06  0:11 Parameter Modes, In In Out and Out i.a.mcleod
2001-01-06  4:58 ` tmoran
2001-01-06 17:06   ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-06 19:50     ` tmoran
2001-01-06 20:31       ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-07  1:59     ` John English
2001-01-07  3:51       ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-08 12:06         ` dmitry6243
2001-01-09  4:32           ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-09 10:05             ` dmitry6243
2001-01-09  4:35           ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-09  9:58             ` dmitry6243
2001-01-09 14:13               ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-09 18:29                 ` dmitry6243
2001-01-09 19:55                   ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-10  0:47                     ` Brian Rogoff
2001-01-10 21:50                       ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-10  9:23                     ` dmitry6243
2001-01-10 21:46                       ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-11 11:46                         ` dmitry6243
2001-01-11 16:48                           ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-11 19:52                             ` Thierry Lelegard
2001-01-11 20:10                               ` Pascal Obry
2001-01-12  8:05                                 ` Florian Weimer
2001-01-12 13:31                               ` gasperon
2001-01-12 14:02                                 ` n_brunot
2001-01-12 17:26                                   ` charlet
2001-01-14 18:23                                     ` n_brunot
2001-01-14 21:05                                       ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-15  8:56                                         ` n_brunot
2001-01-12 11:05                             ` dmitry6243
2001-01-12 13:55                               ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-12 22:10                                 ` Dale Stanbrough
2001-01-13  1:13                                   ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-13 17:29                                 ` dmitry6243
2001-01-13 18:22                                   ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-13 22:32                                     ` Brian Rogoff
2001-01-14  6:02                                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-01-14 14:33                                         ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-14 18:14                                           ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-01-14 21:10                                             ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-14 20:45                                         ` Brian Rogoff
2001-01-14 14:23                                       ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-14 20:42                                         ` Brian Rogoff
2001-01-14 21:17                                           ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-15 20:57                                             ` Brian Rogoff
2001-01-15 16:25                                     ` dmitry6243
2001-02-02  7:06                                       ` Multiple dispatch (was " mark_lundquist
2001-02-02 13:49                                         ` dmitry6243
2001-01-16 12:22                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-01-13  4:46                           ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                           ` <93ko49$auq$1@nnrp1.deja.coOrganization: LJK Software <eiviJtYj+A7W@eisner.decus.org>
2001-01-13  6:00                             ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-11 21:38               ` mark_lundquist
2001-01-12  0:20                 ` John English
2001-01-12 13:57                   ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-12 20:34                     ` mark_lundquist
2001-01-13 18:06                       ` Brian Rogoff
2001-01-11 21:28             ` mark_lundquist
2001-01-12 12:35               ` dmitry6243
2001-01-12 21:22                 ` mark_lundquist
2001-01-13  1:16                   ` Robert Dewar
2001-02-02  5:42                     ` mark_lundquist
2001-02-02 14:55                       ` Stephen Leake
2001-02-02 20:08                         ` Robert Dewar
2001-02-05 15:00                           ` Stephen Leake
2001-01-13 21:26               ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-01-11 21:24           ` mark_lundquist
2001-01-12 12:13             ` dmitry6243 [this message]
2001-01-06 16:21 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-01-09 15:15   ` Thierry Lelegard
2001-01-10 21:53     ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-07 19:15 ` DuckE
2001-01-09 20:44 ` Laurent Guerby
2001-01-09 21:46   ` Florian Weimer
2001-01-10 21:57   ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-10 23:51     ` Tucker Taft
2001-01-11  4:23       ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-11 19:28     ` Laurent Guerby
2001-01-18 18:53 ` FAROOQATIF
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