TIOBE Programming Community

TIOBE Programming Community

[Martin Krischik]

Hello,

Well Ada [1] dropped of the edge and fell down to place 24. Place 20 is
now "Lua" [2]. Note that the TIOBE index not a language index but a
comunity index. Not Ada as a language is measured but our enthusiasm as Ada
supporters.

Also intersting is that - by TIOBE definition [3] - all of the first 20
places (and 21 Logo ?!?) are now "A" level - which again by TIOBE
definition are considered mainstream languages. (I wonder if they are going
the change that definition anytime soon).

About a year ago I observed that the top 5 languages comunities are loosing
ground in favour of smaller languages comunities.

Sad that the Ada comunity could not gain from that trend. Of course we have
been hobbled because of the shift from usenet to more modern platforms like
YouTube. Or Google Blogs - which brings me to an idea - maybe I should
start to blog all my comp.lang.ada posts in Google Blogs.

Martin

[1] http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index/Ada.html
[2] http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index/Lua.html
[3] http://www.tiobe.com/index.htm?tiobe_index/tpci_definition.htm
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Re: TIOBE Programming Community

[Jeffrey Creem]

Martin Krischik wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Well Ada [1] dropped of the edge and fell down to place 24. Place 20 is
> now "Lua" [2]. Note that the TIOBE index not a language index but a
> comunity index. Not Ada as a language is measured but our enthusiasm as Ada
> supporters.
> 
> Also intersting is that - by TIOBE definition [3] - all of the first 20
> places (and 21 Logo ?!?) are now "A" level - which again by TIOBE
> definition are considered mainstream languages. (I wonder if they are going
> the change that definition anytime soon).
> 
> About a year ago I observed that the top 5 languages comunities are loosing
> ground in favour of smaller languages comunities.
> 
> Sad that the Ada comunity could not gain from that trend. Of course we have
> been hobbled because of the shift from usenet to more modern platforms like
> YouTube. Or Google Blogs - which brings me to an idea - maybe I should
> start to blog all my comp.lang.ada posts in Google Blogs.
> 
> Martin
> 
> [1] http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index/Ada.html
> [2] http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index/Lua.html
> [3] http://www.tiobe.com/index.htm?tiobe_index/tpci_definition.htm

I've tried to always get the "programming" on the page with Ada but the 
current situation of scoring situation is pretty bogus.

For instance, c++ google returns about 124,000,000 hits
trying c++ programming (no quotes) returns 7,870,000.

Since it is pretty reasonable to assume there are very view hits on c++ 
that re not about the language, that implies that the current Ada hit 
count should be multiplied by about 15.

In any case, I've been in lots of these programming language arguments 
and not once has tiobe come up. That is not to say that it is impossible 
for it to ever come up. Just saying it is not all that relevant

Or said another way, google for tiobe returns 88,900.
Googling for cnet returns 136,000,000 from which I can only conclude 
that tiobe is not a relevant computer site.

Just remember that with the current scoring situation if you want to 
care that if you reply to a google blog or YouTube video and want to 
talk about Ada that you should say "Ada programming" or the response may 
be ignored...Silly.

Re: TIOBE Programming Community

[Gautier]

Martin Krischik:

...
> About a year ago I observed that the top 5 languages comunities are loosing
> ground in favour of smaller languages comunities.

I have the impression that the whole distribution becomes more "flat". You also
have all theses waves of scripting languages. Probably in 5-10 years you will 
have 50 "A" languages, including plenty of out-of-fashion scripting languages 
with ghost web pages... TIOBE should make different indexes: at least one for 
compiled languages and one for script languages. Mixing everything together is a 
bit silly, to be polite... Also too little credit is given to sustainability (3 
months is as bit short...). Nonetheless the basic idea of that index is 
interesting. I just have an idea to make it more meaningful - coming soon...

> Sad that the Ada comunity could not gain from that trend. Of course we have
> been hobbled because of the shift from usenet to more modern platforms like
> YouTube. Or Google Blogs - which brings me to an idea - maybe I should
> start to blog all my comp.lang.ada posts in Google Blogs.

Do you think it is even possible to automatize in a gateway fashion, a bit like
http://www.ada-france.org/mailman/listinfo ? I kind of remember having seen
blogs relayed to ng's.
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Re: TIOBE Programming Community

[Martin Krischik]

Jeffrey Creem wrote:

> Just remember that with the current scoring situation if you want to
> care that if you reply to a google blog or YouTube video and want to
> talk about Ada that you should say "Ada programming" or the response may
> be ignored...Silly.

I know:

http://ada-programming.blogspot.com/

Or why do you think the Wiki-book is now called "Ada programming":

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Ada_Programming

Martin
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Ada programming at: http://ada.krischik.com

Re: TIOBE Programming Community

[Gautier]

In continuation to my previous post, if you set 3 language categories:
compilable / script / other (mostly DB languages) you get a more meaningful picture:

1	Java		31.3%
2	C		20.5%
3	(Visual) Basic	15.9%
4	C++		12.3%
5	C#		6.2%
6	Delphi		4.2%
7	D		2.5%
8	Lisp/Scheme	1.3%
9	Pascal		1.2%
10	Fortran		1.1%
11	Ada		1.0%
12	Smalltalk	0.4%
13	Haskell		0.4%
14	Forth		0.3%
15	Erlang		0.3%
16	ML		0.2%
17	Scala		0.2%
18	Ch		0.2%
19	Factor		0.2%
20	ABC		0.2%
21	Icon		0.2%

For those interested, I have made an Excel sheet where you paste the array from 
TIOBE's web site and get 3 lists with the ranking, name and reweighed rating for 
each category.
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Re: TIOBE Programming Community

[gpriv]

On Dec 15, 3:59 pm, Gautier <gaut...@fakeaddress.nil> wrote:
> In continuation to my previous post, if you set 3 language categories:
> compilable / script / other (mostly DB languages) you get a more meaningful picture:
>
> 1       Java            31.3%
> 2       C               20.5%
> 3       (Visual) Basic  15.9%
> 4       C++             12.3%
> 5       C#              6.2%
> 6       Delphi          4.2%
> 7       D               2.5%
> 8       Lisp/Scheme     1.3%
> 9       Pascal          1.2%
> 10      Fortran         1.1%
> 11      Ada             1.0%
> 12      Smalltalk       0.4%
> 13      Haskell         0.4%
> 14      Forth           0.3%
> 15      Erlang          0.3%
> 16      ML              0.2%
> 17      Scala           0.2%
> 18      Ch              0.2%
> 19      Factor          0.2%
> 20      ABC             0.2%
> 21      Icon            0.2%
>
> For those interested, I have made an Excel sheet where you paste the array from
> TIOBE's web site and get 3 lists with the ranking, name and reweighed rating for
> each category.
> ______________________________________________________________
> Gautier         --http://www.mysunrise.ch/users/gdm/index.htm
> Ada programming --http://www.mysunrise.ch/users/gdm/gsoft.htm
>
> NB: For a direct answer, e-mail address on the Web site!

Thanks for the effort:

I think this one looks more realistic. Now every reputable CS
department has to come up with their own language. That is why there
are so many simplistic, totally useless hello-world type of languages
that poor students are forced to use.

I wonder if someone analyzed what is used for mission-critical/life-
safety/embedded apps?  That would be closer to what for Ada was
designed for.  It will probably come down to C/C++ and Ada.  Now there
are talks about RT extensions in Java and C# also.


George