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From: Robert Dewar <robert_dewar@my-deja.com>
Subject: Re: Ada to C Translator
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 23:49:22 GMT
Date: 2001-01-01T23:49:22+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <92r522$ntl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: n12r29.qrv.ln@leia

In article <n12r29.qrv.ln@leia>,
  Frode =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tenneb=F8?= <frodet@nvg.org> wrote:
> Does the time of posting give ANY leniancy? :)

Sure, we will count it as a post from last year, and start the
new year afresh :-)

> Actually, half the time was spent on two
> part-systems (out of app. 30) with rather nasty circular
> dependencies.

Well you probably don't mean circular dependencies, since these
are illegal in Ada 83 and Ada 95, but more likely you mean code
where the elaboration is in a mess, due to serious bugs of
missing pragma Elaborate's. This is not uncommon, and can
indeed be a pain.

That's why we recommend that all new Ada applications use the
GNAT static elaboration approach to avoid this in the future
(and why we make it the default, so incompetent programmers who
don't know what they are doing in this area will accidentally
do the right thing :-)

But of course for many existing legacy applications with
confused elaboration situations, the use of the default static
elaboration mechanism is infeasible.

It is amazing how much of our support effort is spent in
helping people navigate around elaboration problems that are
really bugs in the original code. This is definitely a weak
spot in the design of Ada, I am sorry we could not fix it for
Ada 95, but there just was not enough time.


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  reply	other threads:[~2001-01-01 23:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-12-28 14:51 Ada to C Translator Mike K
2000-12-28 16:44 ` Ted Dennison
2000-12-28 17:40   ` Ira D. Baxter
2000-12-28 20:11   ` gdemont
2000-12-29  4:21   ` Dr Adrian Wrigley
2000-12-29  8:08     ` gdemont
2000-12-29 20:35   ` Dave Ptacek
2000-12-29 21:31     ` Marin David Condic
2000-12-30 23:04     ` Frode Tennebø
2000-12-30 23:31       ` Ted Dennison
2001-01-01 10:17       ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2001-01-01 15:17         ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-01-01 17:43       ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-01 21:00         ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2001-01-01 23:38           ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-02 14:54           ` Marin David Condic
2001-01-01 21:01         ` Lao Xiao Hai
2001-01-01 23:41           ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-02 21:36             ` Frode Tennebø
2001-01-03 18:18               ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-03 22:31                 ` Frode Tennebø
2001-01-04  0:01                   ` Brian Rogoff
2001-01-04  1:16                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-01-04  2:41                       ` Brian Rogoff
2001-01-03 23:57                 ` Ken Garlington
2001-01-06 20:48             ` Lao Xiao Hai
2001-01-01 22:57         ` Frode Tennebø
2001-01-01 23:49           ` Robert Dewar [this message]
2001-01-02 21:39             ` Frode Tennebø
2001-01-03 18:22               ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-03 18:48                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-01-03 19:25                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-01-03 22:10                 ` Frode Tennebø
2001-01-01 23:04         ` Frode Tennebø
2001-01-02 22:20           ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2001-01-02 18:07         ` Dave Ptacek
2001-01-02 22:45           ` Ted Dennison
2001-01-02 22:54           ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2001-01-02 23:43             ` Ted Dennison
2001-01-02 22:57           ` Frode Tennebø
2001-01-03 12:34           ` Marin David Condic
2001-01-03 14:00             ` Ken Garlington
2001-01-03 16:16               ` Marin David Condic
2000-12-28 18:53 ` Ehud Lamm
2000-12-28 20:41 ` tmoran
2000-12-29 12:01 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2001-01-02 21:58 ` Tucker Taft
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-01-24 19:55 Ada to C++ translator zangnew
2006-01-24 22:39 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2006-01-24 23:26   ` David Emery
2006-01-25  4:53     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2006-01-24 23:25 ` Gautier Write-only
2006-01-25  1:15   ` REH
2006-01-25 16:44     ` Martin Krischik
2006-01-25 20:42       ` REH
2006-01-26  9:03   ` Maciej Sobczak
2006-01-25  3:42 ` Bobby D. Bryant
2006-01-25 20:01   ` Florian Weimer
2006-01-25 20:36     ` Martin Dowie
2006-01-25 21:08       ` Florian Weimer
2006-01-25 21:26         ` Randy Brukardt
2006-01-26 11:22           ` Florian Weimer
2006-01-26 17:25             ` Martin Krischik
2006-01-26 18:08               ` Alex R. Mosteo
2006-01-26 18:29               ` REH
2006-01-27 19:13                 ` Martin Krischik
2006-01-26 18:42               ` Florian Weimer
2006-01-27  0:39             ` Randy Brukardt
2006-01-26  1:18     ` Bobby D. Bryant
2006-01-26 18:51       ` Florian Weimer
2006-01-26 17:15     ` Martin Krischik
2006-01-26 18:45       ` Florian Weimer
2006-01-25  9:24 ` Pascal Obry
2006-01-25 22:24 ` Gautier Write-only
2006-01-25 23:19   ` REH
2006-01-26  9:17   ` Maciej Sobczak
2006-01-25 22:30 ` James Alan Farrell
2006-01-27 15:01 ` Charlie McCutcheon
2006-01-29 14:02   ` Marco
2006-01-29 15:12     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-01-29 15:43     ` jimmaureenrogers
2006-01-30  5:32       ` Hyman Rosen
2000-04-12  0:00 Ada to C++ Translator Brad Crabtree
2000-04-12  0:00 ` David Starner
2000-04-13  0:00 ` Gautier
2000-04-14  0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1997-07-05  0:00 Ada To c translator wisniew
1997-07-06  0:00 ` Jerry van Dijk
     [not found] <dewar.855063471@merv>
     [not found] ` <5d7h2e$q4l$1@news.nyu.edu>
     [not found]   ` <5d90qq$ka7@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
1997-02-16  0:00     ` Ada to C translator Richard Kenner
1997-02-17  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1997-02-26  0:00       ` AlinP
1997-02-26  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-21  0:00           ` Keith Allan Shillington
1997-03-26  0:00             ` Geert Bosch
1997-03-26  0:00               ` Tom Moran
1997-03-28  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
     [not found] <199702041504.PAA11572@sw-eng.falls-church.va.us>
1997-02-09  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-21  0:00 Gabriel Rouzaut
1997-01-22  0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-01-24  0:00   ` Ted Dennison
1997-01-30  0:00   ` Keith Thompson
     [not found]   ` <5d29nv$sqv@mn5.swip.net>
     [not found]     ` <dewar.854940250@merv>
     [not found]       ` <5ddp0u$elq@mn5.swip.net>
1997-02-09  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-07  0:00 David Buscaglia
1996-08-09  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-11  0:00 ADA to C++ translator Alain PUJOL
1996-07-12  0:00 ` Darren C Davenport
1996-07-13  0:00 ` Vladimir Vukicevic
1996-07-15  0:00 ` Simon A Watts
1996-07-15  0:00   ` David Wheeler
1996-07-15  0:00   ` Darren C Davenport
1996-07-15  0:00   ` Kevin J. Weise
1996-07-16  0:00     ` Simon A Watts
1996-07-15  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-16  0:00     ` Simon A Watts
1996-07-16  0:00   ` Richard Krehbiel
1996-07-16  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
     [not found] <3f10sf$9t1@news.dtc.hp.com>
     [not found] ` <3f1kig$p0d@newstand.syr.edu>
1995-01-12 16:10   ` Ada to C translator Robert Dewar
1994-09-08 21:12 Kevin H. Hunt x7343
1993-08-04 15:51 Joe Fasano
1990-07-27 12:41 /2000
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