Meridian compatable with Macintosh system 7?

Meridian compatable with Macintosh system 7?

[SAHARBAUGH]

Because others may be interested in the answer I am posting
my question on the BB.
Is/will the Meridian Ada compiler on the Macintosh
compatable with the Apple system 7?
(fyi: sys 7 is virtual memory and some other "improvements")
sam harbaugh saharbaugh@ROO.FIT.EDU        
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Re: Meridian compatable with Macintosh system 7?

[Chuck Shotton]

In article <9109041801.AA27506@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu>, SAHARBAUGH@ROO.FIT.EDU writes
:
> 
> Because others may be interested in the answer I am posting
> my question on the BB.
> Is/will the Meridian Ada compiler on the Macintosh
> compatable with the Apple system 7?

The short answer is "Yes." The long answer is: You must be running
version 3.2 of MPW Shell. Also, Meridian doesn't currently support Inside 
Mac VI calls. Only Vols I-V are supported in the Macintosh Environment Library.
Lastly, I have not tried it with virutal memory or 32 bit addressing 
turned on. Plain, vanilla, System 7 in 24 bit mode works OK.

Chuck

Re: Meridian compatable with Macintosh system 7?

[Arthur Evans]

Sam Harbaugh (SAHARBAUGH@ROO.FIT.EDU) asks if Meridian Ada on the
Macintosh is compatible with Apple's new System 7.

I too look forward to finding the answer.  However, I point out that my
copy of Meridian Ada came with MPW V3.1, which is NOT compatible with
System 7.  It is necessary to upgrade to MPW V3.2, at a cost of $50 from
APDA.

And while we are at it, does anyone know if Alsys Ada is compatible with
System 7?  It too will need V3.2 of MPW.

Art
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Re: Meridian compatable with Macintosh system 7?

[cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!aero-c!Aero.org!doner]

In article <31160@as0c.sei.cmu.edu>, ae@sei.cmu.edu (Arthur Evans) writes:
|> Sam Harbaugh (SAHARBAUGH@ROO.FIT.EDU) asks if Meridian Ada on the
|> Macintosh is compatible with Apple's new System 7.
|> 
|> I too look forward to finding the answer.  However, I point out that my
|> copy of Meridian Ada came with MPW V3.1, which is NOT compatible with
|> System 7.  It is necessary to upgrade to MPW V3.2, at a cost of $50 from
|> APDA.

I bought Meridian Ada two weeks ago.  You just ask for MPW3.2 instead of 3.1;
no extra charge.

Re: Meridian compatable with Macintosh system 7?

[cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!tulane!mandel%vax.an]

In article <5427@lib.tmc.edu> cshotton@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Chuck Shotton)
writes:
>The short answer is "Yes." The long answer is: You must be running
>version 3.2 of MPW Shell. Also, Meridian doesn't currently support Inside 
>Mac VI calls. Only Vols I-V are supported in the Macintosh Environment
Library.
>Lastly, I have not tried it with virutal memory or 32 bit addressing 
>turned on. Plain, vanilla, System 7 in 24 bit mode works OK.

I too have been working in System 7/MPW 3.2, and find it works. I also have yet
to try 32 bit mode/ VM, but as Apple's VM is somewhat Russian Roullette with
code that includes fancy tricks with interrupts, I would predict that it would
be dangerous to use preemptive multitasking under VM.

On the subject of Volume VI calls, I have been informed by Meridian Tech
Support that they are not currently devoting resources to Volume VI packages. I
needed QDOffscreen, so I did it myself in about 2 hours; it compiles, but I
haven't tested whether it runs yet. I would be interested in finding out if
anyone else is upset about Meridian being so slow about System 7 support, and
if anyone else has converted header files themselves.

Jeff E Mandel MD MS
Associate Professor of Anesthesiology
Tulane University School of Medicine
New Orleans, LA

Re: Meridian compatable with Macintosh system 7?

[cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!f]

mandel@vax.anes.tulane.edu (Jeff E Mandel MD MS) writes:

>On the subject of Volume VI calls, I have been informed by Meridian Tech
>Support that they are not currently devoting resources to Volume VI packages. 
I
>needed QDOffscreen, so I did it myself in about 2 hours; it compiles, but I
>haven't tested whether it runs yet. I would be interested in finding out if
>anyone else is upset about Meridian being so slow about System 7 support, and
>if anyone else has converted header files themselves.

>Jeff E Mandel MD MS
>Associate Professor of Anesthesiology
>Tulane University School of Medicine
>New Orleans, LA

About a month ago, the Meridian sales rep who handles government/contractor 
sales in Georgia told me in a phone conversation that Meridian *does not* plan
to support the Macintosh compiler any further; i.e., they will NOT devote 
resources to things like support for new versions of the O/S.

His claim was that they'd only sold about 300 copies of the Mac version, and 
that such a small number meant their resources would be more productively
invested elsewhere.

-Paul
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Re: Meridian compatable with Macintosh system 7?

[John W. Hatley (RE/SPEC)]

>From article <1991Sep19.134825.10076@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov>, by robichau@freed
om.msfc.nasa.gov (Paul Robichaux):
> mandel@vax.anes.tulane.edu (Jeff E Mandel MD MS) writes:
> 
>>On the subject of Volume VI calls, I have been informed by Meridian Tech
>>Support that they are not currently devoting resources to Volume VI packages.
 I
>>needed QDOffscreen, so I did it myself in about 2 hours; it compiles, but I
>>haven't tested whether it runs yet. I would be interested in finding out if
>>anyone else is upset about Meridian being so slow about System 7 support, and
>>if anyone else has converted header files themselves.
> 
>>Jeff E Mandel MD MS
>>Associate Professor of Anesthesiology
>>Tulane University School of Medicine
>>New Orleans, LA
> 
> About a month ago, the Meridian sales rep who handles government/contractor 
> sales in Georgia told me in a phone conversation that Meridian *does not* pla
n
> to support the Macintosh compiler any further; i.e., they will NOT devote 
> resources to things like support for new versions of the O/S.
> 
> His claim was that they'd only sold about 300 copies of the Mac version, and 
> that such a small number meant their resources would be more productively
> invested elsewhere.
> 
> -Paul
> -- 
> Paul Robichaux                  | Disclaimer: These are my opinions, not NTI'
s
> robichau@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov  |             or NASA's.
sorry, just a test of our followup function in vn.

John Hatley
jwhatle@cs.sandia.gov

Re: Meridian compatable with Macintosh system 7?

[swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!usenet.coe.montana.edu!milton!mfel]

In article <1991Sep19.134825.10076@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov> robichau@freedom.msfc
.nasa.gov (Paul Robichaux) writes:
>
>About a month ago, the Meridian sales rep who handles government/contractor 
>sales in Georgia told me in a phone conversation that Meridian *does not* plan
>to support the Macintosh compiler any further; i.e., they will NOT devote 
>resources to things like support for new versions of the O/S.
>
>His claim was that they'd only sold about 300 copies of the Mac version, and 
>that such a small number meant their resources would be more productively
>invested elsewhere.
>
I have heard similar things from Meridian principals. This is really a cryin'
shame, because Meridian has a decent Mac system as a starting point. It is
all too typical of the Ada business that companies won't make much
investment in developing a market.

As an educator who likes and promotes using Ada in curricula, I hear over
and over that one of the things really holding Ada back in education is
the lack of a Mac system suitable for education. An MPW-based system is OK
for serious work, but I wouldn't wish it on beginning students. The Ada
world needs its Think Pascal or MetroWerks Modula-2. Can anyone help
generate ideas about how we can get one? Maybe Meridian would like to
deal their system off to someone who'd like to repackage it?

Mike

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Re: Meridian compatable with Macintosh system 7?

[elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!freedom.msfc.nasa.gov!robichau]

mfeldman@milton.u.washington.edu (Michael Feldman) writes:

>I have heard similar things from Meridian principals. This is really a cryin'
>shame, because Meridian has a decent Mac system as a starting point. It is
>all too typical of the Ada business that companies won't make much
>investment in developing a market.

>As an educator who likes and promotes using Ada in curricula, I hear over
>and over that one of the things really holding Ada back in education is
>the lack of a Mac system suitable for education. An MPW-based system is OK
>for serious work, but I wouldn't wish it on beginning students. The Ada
>world needs its Think Pascal or MetroWerks Modula-2. Can anyone help
>generate ideas about how we can get one? Maybe Meridian would like to
>deal their system off to someone who'd like to repackage it?

>Mike

  The *real* shame is that a well-integrated product wouldn't be that hard 
  to implement. Meridian's original product for MPW generated C code
  which served as input to the MPW C compiler. They grudgingly
  implemented a native-code compiler, and did a pretty good job of
  supporting the Mac interface. I'm sorry to see their disinterest,
  because an accessable Ada compiler is critical to furthering its use
  in education. A well-educated corps of programmers is requisite for
  Ada to become widely used outside the defense & aerospace sectors.
 
  -Paul 

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>Michael B. Feldman
>Visiting Professor 1991-92               Professor
>Dept. of Comp. Sci. and Engrg.           Dept. of Elect. Engrg. and Comp. Sci.
>University of Washington FR-35           The George Washington University
>Seattle, WA 98105                        Washington, DC 20052
>(206) 685-1376 (voice)                   (202) 994-5253 (voice)
>(206) 543-2969 (fax)                     (202) 994-5296 (fax)
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