C vs. Ada

C vs. Ada

[Charles Hannum]

Some of you have apparently decided to continue this war in email.  Well I'm
going to tell you only once:

   STOP SENDING ME MAIL ABOUT IT!!!


Now that that is out of the way, let me summarize my opinion on this subject:

I have used, do use, and will continue to use C.  Just because some people
have just recently discovered that "YES!, you CAN crash your machine with a C
program!" is not enough to make ME stop using it.

When I find bugs (which are almost always caused by programmer stupidity and
NOT by the language), I fix them.  It's pretty simple.  If anyone thinks that
a programming language can make you write perfect programs, let me be (hope-
fully) the first to tell you that YOU ARE FULL OF **IT!

Besides, I write some fairly useful software in C, and also in assembler.  And
I'm not going to stop writing in assembly language simply because "YES!, you
can crash your machine with an assembly language program!", either.


Don't bother to reply of followup to this article; I won't read past the sub-
ject line.


Virtually,
- Charles Martin Hannum II       "Klein bottle for sale ... inquire within."
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Re: C and assembler crashing the machine

[Terry J. Westley]

In article <90076.002500CMH117@psuvm.psu.edu> CMH117@psuvm.psu.edu (Charles Hannum) writes:
...[stuff deleted]
>I have used, do use, and will continue to use C.  Just because some people
>have just recently discovered that "YES!, you CAN crash your machine with a C
>program!" is not enough to make ME stop using it.
...[more stuff deleted]
>Besides, I write some fairly useful software in C, and also in assembler.  And
>I'm not going to stop writing in assembly language simply because "YES!, you
>can crash your machine with an assembly language program!", either.
>

Anyone who thinks that Ada prevents stupid mistakes or will prevent
crashing the machine or will make all code easy to read and understand
does not know Ada well.

The real question is:  who should we let know about this?  :-)

Terry J. Westley
Arvin/Calspan Advanced Technology Center
P.O. Box 400, Buffalo, NY 14225
acsu.buffalo.edu!planck!hercules!westley

C++ vs. Ada

[Daniel Klein]

Has anyone out there done an (objective) comparison between C++ and Ada for
implementing large scale systems?  I have a need for such a comparison (I
can give more details on the systems area, project size, problem scope, etc.,
if anyone can help).  Some of the issues at hand are ease of design,
implementation, separation of concerns, maintenance, documentation,
software product lifecycle issues, etc.

Please send e-mail to me at dvk@sei.cmu.edu.  Any help will be appreciated.

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C vs. Ada

[jonas_nygren]

It is a long time since I visited this news group but I found an article on
software quality that will probably have all Ada buffs say: "yeah, tis to
avoid all these fault types that Ada was designed the way it is!"

To see what manual labour one has to go through in order to improve C-code
quality, read the "A Software Fault Prevention Approach in Coding and Root
Cause Analysis" article in Bell Labs Technical Journal, 
http://www.lucent.com/ideas2/perspectives/bltj.

It should prove interesting reading for Ada advocates ;)



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