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From: Robert Dewar <robert_dewar@my-deja.com>
Subject: Re: Ada student homework ?
Date: 2000/11/18
Date: 2000-11-18T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8v6579$jd4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3A0FCBAD.824095C6@cadwin.cOrganization: LJK Software <5E93Ivxu6GwO@eisner.decus.org

In article <5E93Ivxu6GwO@eisner.decus.org>,
  Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:
> In article <8utul0$vnv$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Robert Dewar
<robert_dewar@my-deja.com> writes:

> that does not mean there are crash-proof operating
> systems, because the implementation is subject to human
> frailties.

Well, with obvious exceptions like THE, operating systems are
rarely certified to be bug free. But in pragmatic terms,
operating systems like VMS and IBM mainframe systems are
close enough. Indeed in practical terms, OS/2 also reachest
this criterion.

An interesting question to ask yourself. How often have you
seen Windows start up screens in places where they do not
belong (such as on airport monitors -- where I saw the
screen a couple of weeks ago :-)

By comparison, how often have you seen OS/2 startup screens
on your friendly ATM machine?

Of course all things are relative, but it really is possible
to achieve the engineering equivalent of crash-proof, which
is not really a mathematical property, but rather the stage
at which operating systems frailty is not the weak link in
the chain (there is generally no point in building software
that is orders of magnitude more reliable than the hardware
for example :-)




>
> So those "good" operating systems are not really crash-proof,
> just so crash-resistant that they seem crash-proof when they
> are compared to the competition.
>
> As an example, consider that Windows NT uses the memory
management
> hardware and still gets lumped by practical experience into
the
> "not crash-proof" pile.
>


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Thread overview: 164+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-11-03 14:42 if statements sc297
2000-11-03  0:00 ` David Starner
2000-11-07  0:00   ` John English
2000-11-13  0:00   ` Dale Pontius
2000-11-03 16:09 ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-11-03  0:00   ` tmoran
2000-11-03  0:00     ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-11-06  0:00       ` Brian Orpin
2000-11-03  0:00     ` David Starner
2000-11-05  0:00       ` tmoran
2000-11-06  0:00         ` David Starner
2000-11-08  0:14           ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2000-11-08  0:00             ` Alejandro Villanueva
2000-11-08  0:00               ` Georg Bauhaus
2000-11-09  3:50               ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-07  0:00         ` John English
2000-11-07  0:00     ` John English
2000-11-08  5:22       ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-06  0:00 ` Daniel Allex
2000-11-07  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-07  0:00     ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-11-08  0:00     ` Alejandro Villanueva
2000-11-08  0:00       ` Daniel Allex
2000-11-09  3:54       ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-09  5:24       ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-09  0:00         ` Marin David Condic
2000-11-09  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-10  0:00             ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-11-10  1:58           ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-10  3:53             ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-09  0:00         ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-09  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-10  0:12             ` Ehud Lamm
2000-11-10  2:09             ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-20  0:00               ` Wes Groleau
2000-11-20  0:00             ` Wes Groleau
2000-11-21  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-22  0:00                 ` Wes Groleau
2000-11-09  0:00         ` constants v variables (was Re: if statements) Martin Dowie
2000-11-09  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-09  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
2000-11-09  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-09  0:00             ` Florian Weimer
2000-11-10  2:13               ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-10  5:59                 ` Brian Rogoff
2000-11-09  0:00             ` Martin Dowie
2000-11-08  0:00     ` Ada student homework ? Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-08  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-08  0:00         ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-08  0:00           ` Ted Dennison
2000-11-08  0:00             ` Lao Xiao Hai
2000-11-08  0:00             ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-08  0:00               ` Jerry Petrey
2000-11-09  0:00             ` Marin David Condic
2000-11-10  2:15               ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-10  0:00                 ` Marin David Condic
2000-11-18  0:00               ` John Magness
2000-11-19  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-19  0:00                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-11-20  0:00                 ` John English
     [not found]                 ` <3A2827A9.B54C260@ebox.tninet.se>
     [not found]                   ` <1dtW5.25958$6W1.1458704@news.flash.net>
2000-12-12 20:52                     ` Stefan Skoglund
     [not found]                       ` <dKo%5.144$PE5.16970@read2.inet.fi>
2000-12-19 16:36                         ` election chit-chat (was Re: Ada student homework ?) Robert Dewar
2000-11-08  0:00           ` Ada student homework ? Larry Kilgallen
2000-11-08  0:00             ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-14  0:00               ` Ronald Cole
2000-11-08  0:00       ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-11-08  0:00         ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-08  0:00           ` Chad R. Meiners
2000-11-08  0:00             ` Ted Dennison
2000-11-09  5:11               ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-18  0:00               ` John Magness
2000-11-08  0:00           ` Lao Xiao Hai
2000-11-09  0:00             ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-09  0:00               ` Lao Xiao Hai
2000-11-10  0:00                 ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-10  0:00                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-11-10  0:00                     ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-10  0:00                       ` Dan Nagle
2000-11-10  0:00                         ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-10  0:00                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-11-10  0:00                             ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-11  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-12  6:54                                 ` Brian Rogoff
2000-11-12  0:00                                   ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-11  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-13  0:00                             ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-13  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-13  0:00                                 ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-13  0:00                                   ` Pascal Obry
2000-11-13  0:00                                 ` gdemont
2000-11-13  0:00                                   ` Ada student homework ?[OS/2 Comments] tjerick
2000-11-14  0:00                                   ` Ada student homework ? Georg Bauhaus
2000-11-14  5:16                                   ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-14  0:00                                     ` John English
2000-11-14  0:00                                       ` gdemont
2000-11-14  0:00                                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2000-11-14  0:00                                     ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-15  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-15  0:00                                         ` Ada student homework ? I give up Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-15  0:00                                           ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-13  0:00                                 ` Ada student homework ? Ken Garlington
2000-11-13  0:00                                 ` gdemont
2000-11-14  0:00                                 ` dmitry6243
2000-11-15  0:00                             ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                             ` <3A0FCBAD.824095C6@cadwin.cOrganization: LJK Software <5E93Ivxu6GwO@eisner.decus.org>
2000-11-18  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar [this message]
2000-11-20  0:00                     ` Wes Groleau
2000-11-20  0:00                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-11-10  0:00                 ` mjsilva
2000-11-10  0:00                 ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-10  0:00                   ` Marin David Condic
2000-11-10  0:00                     ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-10  0:00                       ` David Starner
2000-11-11  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-13  0:00                         ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-10  0:00                     ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2000-11-10  0:00                     ` Randy Brukardt
2000-11-11  0:00                       ` Marin David Condic
2000-11-15  0:00                         ` Lao Xiao Hai
2000-11-18  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-18  0:00                             ` tmoran
2000-11-19  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-19  0:00                                 ` tmoran
2000-11-19  0:00                                   ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-20  0:16                                     ` tmoran
2000-11-20  0:00                                       ` Portability accross compilers Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-20  0:00                                         ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-20  3:18                                       ` Ada student homework ? Robert Dewar
2000-11-20  5:55                                         ` tmoran
2000-11-20  0:00                                           ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-20  0:00                                 ` Wes Groleau
2000-11-19  0:00                             ` Lao Xiao Hai
2000-11-11  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-13  0:00                     ` gdemont
2000-11-08  0:00           ` Brian Rogoff
2000-11-09  0:00             ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-09  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-10  0:08                 ` Ehud Lamm
2000-11-10  0:00               ` Brian Rogoff
2000-11-09  5:04           ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-10  0:27             ` Subsetting Ada Ted Dennison
2000-11-07  0:00   ` if statements dmitry6243
2000-11-07  0:00     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-11-08  0:00       ` dmitry6243
2000-11-07  0:00   ` Wes Groleau
2000-11-08  0:00     ` John English
2000-11-08  0:00       ` Wes Groleau
2000-11-09  3:43         ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-07  0:00   ` John English
2000-11-07  0:00   ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-07  0:00     ` John English
2000-11-07  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-08  0:00         ` John English
2000-11-08  0:00           ` Georg Bauhaus
2000-11-09  4:58           ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-09  0:00             ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-09  0:00               ` Designing test suites (was: if statements) Larry Kilgallen
2000-11-09  0:00             ` if statements John English
2000-11-08  5:29       ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-08  0:00         ` John English
2000-11-08  0:00           ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-07  0:00 ` John English
2000-11-07  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-10  6:09 ` DJack143
2000-11-11  0:00   ` Here we go again (Was: if statements) Frank Christiny
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