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From: Ted Dennison <dennison@telepath.com>
Subject: Re: Ada Streams usage (was Escape Sequences in Strings)
Date: 2000/11/16
Date: 2000-11-16T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8v15uq$lq9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3A14108E.CCB398A1@acm.org

In article <3A14108E.CCB398A1@acm.org>,
  Marin David Condic <mcondic.nospam@acm.org> wrote:

> Well, part of my objection to streams is the overhead of the data
> motion and the way it degenerates to a (potentially) large number of
> small procedure calls. (It wouldn't be so bad if the compiler could
> figure out when to generate a really fast block-move instruction
> instead of a bazillion procedure calls. But I suppose there may be

Quite true. There was one instance where we had to replace a 'Write on a
large array to a dispatching call to Ada.Streams.Write. The old way was
causing one 60Hz task to take 20ms to complete (Bzzzzt! Wrong. Thanks
for playing...) Since it was an unstructured array of bytes already, it
wasn't too painful to just change its native type to
Ada.Streams.Stream_Element array that cut it to less than 1 ms.

> Maybe my usage of the word is not entirely accurate. "Hard-real-time"
> usually means that failure to meet deadlines constitutes failure of
> the system. If your processor does a gazillion-instructions-per-second
> and you're only using 1% of your CPU, it can still be a
> "hard-real-time" system.

Well, we admitedly do have a bit of headroom, since we are using a PC as
our target. The last CPU utilization numbers I saw were running at about
%35 (Contractually we have to be under %50). Even if we do cut it close,
the march of technology will wipe out most problems. Now they are
ordering them as PIII's, next year, who knows?

> I suppose I was thinking more along the lines of "difficult" real time
> systems. :-)
Well, I don't know if there is a good word for that, but there probably
ought to be. A lot of embedded real-time work is done on older (slower)
microprocessors due to the cost factor.

--
T.E.D.

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Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-11-15  0:00 Escape Sequences in Strings Jean Cohen
2000-11-15  0:00 ` John English
2000-11-15  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-15  0:00     ` Ehud Lamm
2000-11-16  0:00       ` John English
2000-11-16  0:00         ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-11-16  0:00           ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-16  0:00             ` Marin David Condic
2000-11-16  0:00             ` Keith Thompson
2000-11-16  0:00         ` Marin David Condic
2000-11-15  0:00 ` Marin David Condic
2000-11-16  0:00   ` Ada Streams usage (was Escape Sequences in Strings) Marc A. Criley
2000-11-16  0:00     ` Marin David Condic
2000-11-16  0:00       ` Ted Dennison
2000-11-16  0:00         ` Marin David Condic
2000-11-16  0:00           ` Ted Dennison [this message]
2000-11-16  0:00             ` Marin David Condic
     [not found]     ` <igh81t8b3hdrsc167do6qr0h1joa73c1jr@borpin.co.uk>
2000-11-18  0:00       ` Marin David Condic
2000-11-18  0:00         ` David Kristola
2000-11-19  0:00           ` Marin David Condic
2000-11-19  0:00             ` Marin David Condic
2000-11-20  0:00               ` Brian Orpin
2000-11-20  0:00                 ` Marin David Condic
2000-11-19  0:00         ` Ted Dennison
2000-11-19  0:00           ` Marin David Condic
2000-11-19  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-20  0:00               ` Randy Brukardt
2000-11-21  0:00                 ` Ted Dennison
2000-11-21  0:00                   ` Randy Brukardt
2000-11-21  1:31                 ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-21  1:33                 ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-21  0:00                   ` Randy Brukardt
2000-11-22  5:00                     ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-20  0:00               ` Marin David Condic
2000-11-21  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-19  0:00             ` Ted Dennison
2000-11-19  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-15  0:00 ` Escape Sequences in Strings Preben Randhol
2001-01-12 13:18 ` Andrew Hately
2001-01-12 20:03   ` Keith Thompson
2001-01-18  8:29     ` Lao Xiao Hai
2001-01-18 15:22       ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-18 22:43         ` Randy Brukardt
2001-01-21 11:54         ` Dale Stanbrough
2001-01-21 22:35           ` directly accessing DOS screen memory (was: Re: Escape Sequences in Strings) Jeffrey Carter
2001-01-12 19:37 ` Escape Sequences in Strings tmoran
2001-01-13  1:38   ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-13  6:48     ` tmoran
2001-01-13 18:36       ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-16  3:30         ` Examples in Docs, was " peter_richtmyer
2001-01-16  5:42           ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-16 20:44             ` mark_lundquist
2001-01-16 22:43               ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-01-17 15:06                 ` mark_lundquist
2001-01-17  2:25               ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-17 15:28                 ` mark_lundquist
2001-01-17 16:20                 ` Brian Rogoff
2001-01-17 18:04                   ` Wayne Lydecker
2001-01-17 19:23                     ` BSCrawford
2001-01-18  0:15                       ` Jerry Petrey
2001-01-19  0:01                     ` tmoran
2001-01-18  3:44                   ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-18 16:45                     ` Brian Rogoff
2001-01-18 19:53                       ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-18 22:58                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-01-19 16:40                           ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-19  7:49                         ` Learning methods Anders Wirzenius
2001-01-19 18:57                         ` Examples in Docs, was Re: Escape Sequences in Strings mark_lundquist
2001-01-21 12:05                         ` Dale Stanbrough
2001-01-21 15:35                           ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-17 22:10                 ` Matthew Woodcraft
2001-01-18  3:52                   ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-16 16:06           ` Examples in Docs Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-01-16 21:29             ` mark_lundquist
2001-01-18  0:50               ` Randy Brukardt
2001-01-18 16:46                 ` mark_lundquist
2001-01-18 17:24               ` J. David Bryan
2001-01-17  2:43             ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-17 21:17               ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-01-16 20:01           ` Examples in Docs, was Re: Escape Sequences in Strings mark_lundquist
2001-01-17 10:59             ` Peter Richtmyer
2001-01-19 18:55               ` mark_lundquist
2001-01-20 14:24                 ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-20 14:36                   ` Preben Randhol
2001-01-20 15:00                     ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-21 11:24                       ` Preben Randhol
2001-01-22 14:47                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-01-22 20:08                           ` Preben Randhol
2001-01-22 20:14                             ` Preben Randhol
2001-01-20 19:02                   ` Stephen Leake
2001-01-20 19:50                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-01-21 11:35                     ` Preben Randhol
2001-01-22 23:58                   ` Mark Lundquist
2001-01-27  1:43                   ` Increasing the readability of Ada was RE: Examples in Docs Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
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