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From: Robert Dewar <robert_dewar@my-deja.com>
Subject: Re: Bit manipulation
Date: 2000/11/08
Date: 2000-11-08T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8ubeq8$cgm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 8ub6kt$6nd$1@nnrp1.deja.com

In article <8ub6kt$6nd$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  gdemont@my-deja.com wrote:
> But:
>  "Which way may I shift bits, or mask them?"
>
> And your hint about using records, arrays and representation
> clauses is completely overkill just for blipping bits! Please
> give constructive answers!

Nope! When someone asks how can I do "xxx" and xxx is a low
level implementation technique, it is always appropriate to
enquire as to what the problem is.

A C programmer is used to shifting and masking as a solution
for all sorts of problems. Now there are cases where such
a solution is appropriate in Ada, which is why the capability
was added in Ada 95, but compared to C, they are few and
far between.

Clearly the underlying question is "how do I do shifts and
masks to achieve xxx", and to accurately answer this question
we need to ask what xxx is. Quite likely the answer will
be "don't use shifts and masks to achieve xxx if you are
writing Ada, instead use yyy".

Of course we could give a simple answer involving the
obvious solution of converting Character'Pos values to
a modular type and then doing shifts and masks in the
normal manner, but that would be a disservice.

I see a *lot* of code that is clearly written by C programmers
and greatly overuses low level bit twiddling techniques that
are appropriate to C but not to Ada.

If someone simply wants to get a job done in the dirtiest
possible fashion, and wants someone else to do the work,
CLA is not the place to expect free help :-)


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  reply	other threads:[~2000-11-08  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-11-07  0:00 Bit manipulation Sandro Binetti
2000-11-07  0:00 ` gdemont
2000-11-08  7:22   ` Sandro Binetti
2000-11-07  0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-11-07  0:00   ` John English
2000-11-08  0:00   ` gdemont
2000-11-08  0:00     ` Robert Dewar [this message]
2000-11-08  0:00       ` gdemont
2000-11-08  0:00         ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-11-09  4:50           ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-10  0:00             ` Lao Xiao Hai
2000-11-09  4:47         ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-09  0:00           ` gdemont
2000-11-08  0:00       ` Sandro Binetti
2000-11-08  0:00         ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-08  0:00         ` gdemont
2000-11-09  4:00           ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-09  0:00             ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-11-09  0:00               ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-08  0:00         ` Dale Stanbrough
2000-11-09  0:00           ` Sandro Binetti
2000-11-09  0:00             ` gdemont
2000-11-09  0:00             ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-10  0:00             ` Scott Ingram
2000-11-09  3:59         ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-09  4:52         ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-11  0:00       ` Redryder
2000-11-11  0:00         ` Jeff Carter
2000-11-11  0:00           ` Redryder
2000-11-12  2:07             ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-12  5:56             ` Jeff Carter
2000-11-12  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-12  0:00                 ` tmoran
2000-11-13  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-14  0:00                     ` Marc A. Criley
2000-11-13  0:54                   ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-12  6:40               ` tmoran
2000-11-13  0:00         ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2000-11-13  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-13  0:00             ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2000-11-13  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-13  0:00                 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2000-11-13  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-13  0:00             ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2000-11-13  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-13  0:00                 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2000-11-13  0:00                   ` Pat Rogers
2000-11-13  0:00                     ` Brian Rogoff
2000-11-13  0:00                       ` Pat Rogers
2000-11-13  0:00                       ` F. Britt Snodgrass
2000-11-15  0:00                         ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2000-11-14  0:00                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2000-11-15  0:00                         ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2000-11-14  0:00                   ` Martin Dowie
2000-11-15  0:00                     ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2000-11-20  0:00                 ` Randy Brukardt
2000-11-21  0:00                   ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2000-11-21  0:00                     ` Stephen Leake
2000-11-22  0:00                       ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2000-11-08  7:18   ` Sandro Binetti
2000-11-10  7:24 ` Thank you all for your contribution ! Sandro Binetti
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-02-07 12:37 Bit manipulation Maurizio
2005-02-07 13:20 ` Martin Krischik
2005-02-07 15:32 ` Martin Dowie
2005-02-07 18:04   ` Martin Krischik
2005-02-08  0:32 ` Randy Brukardt
2005-02-08  3:11 ` Steve
2005-02-08 18:51   ` tmoran
1999-04-04  0:00 bit manipulation Jack Chow
1999-04-04  0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-04-05  0:00 ` dennison
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