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From: "Jean St-Pierre" <jstp.xremovethisx@cae.ca>
Subject: Re: Is the Ada World Embarrassed by the Defense Industry?
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:10:35 -0500
Date: 2000-10-31T21:09:32+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8tncec$h3q$1@dns3.cae.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: cKo3$rZJqqvZ@eisner.decus.org


Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message
news:cKo3$rZJqqvZ@eisner.decus.org...
> In article <8tmmat$e79$1@dns3.cae.ca>, "Jean St-Pierre"
<jstp.xremovethisx@cae.ca> writes:
> > This is a typical case of "being right, but being dead".
> >
> > You're right to say that an Ada programmer is forced to follow better
> > programming practices than your typical C programmer. However, I know at
> > least two companies that have rewritten the code of their software tools
> > from Ada to C++ mostly because they were not able to maintain a stable
team
> > of Ada programmers at a reasonable cost (to be fair, there were also
some
> > portability and compiler issues). Those Ada programmers were good, but
> > certainly not easy to find.
>
> So they hired guaranteed long-term C++ programmers who were incapable
> of learning Ada ?

No, the turnover rate was not lower with the C++ programmers but it did not
jeopardize the tool development and maintenance, which was the case with the
Ada version. It was simply a logistical and financial decision (availability
of programmers, cost of training, cost of maintaining multi-platform port,
cost of compilers and cross-compilers, etc). The cost of training was due to
the fact that it was very difficult to find Ada-proficient people at the
time, so Ada training had to be paid for.

I'm not saying it was a technically good decision (I guess we will see in
the long term), but it was almost unavoidable, considering the
circumstances.





  reply	other threads:[~2000-10-31 21:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-10-30 16:04 Is the Ada World Embarrassed by the Defense Industry? Ken Garlington
2000-10-30 18:03 ` Tucker Taft
2000-10-30 18:25   ` Robert A Duff
2000-10-30 20:41   ` Ken Garlington
2000-10-30 18:30 ` Ted Dennison
2000-10-30 21:36 ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-10-30 22:01   ` James Rogers
2000-11-01 14:38     ` John Kern
2000-11-01 16:16       ` Pat Rogers
2000-10-30 22:17   ` Pat Rogers
2000-10-31  4:10   ` Lao Xiao Hai
2000-10-31 14:52     ` Ted Dennison
2000-10-31 16:50     ` mjsilva
2000-10-31 17:06       ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-10-31 17:39         ` mjsilva
2000-11-01  2:39         ` Jeff Carter
2000-11-01  3:19           ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-01 19:27             ` Tucker Taft
2000-11-01 20:04               ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-11-02  0:37                 ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-02  0:42                   ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-11-02  3:16                     ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-02  3:48                   ` Jeff Carter
2000-11-02 12:38                     ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-02 13:33                       ` Gautier
2000-11-03  5:30                         ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-02  0:42               ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-03  0:00       ` Ada vs. C++ in defense projects Michael P. Card
2000-11-04  0:00         ` Jeff Stimson
2000-11-04  0:00           ` Robert Love
2000-11-04  0:00           ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-11-05  0:57             ` Jeff Carter
2000-10-31  8:06   ` Is the Ada World Embarrassed by the Defense Industry? Pascal Obry
2000-10-31 14:53     ` Jean St-Pierre
2000-10-31 15:17       ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-10-31 21:10         ` Jean St-Pierre [this message]
2000-10-31 21:17     ` Wes Groleau
2000-10-31 21:13   ` Wes Groleau
2000-11-03  0:00   ` mark_lundquist
2000-11-04  3:08     ` DuckE
2000-11-04  0:00       ` Frode Tennebø
2000-11-07  0:17         ` mark
2000-11-03  0:00   ` mark_lundquist
2000-11-03  0:00     ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-11-03  0:00       ` mark_lundquist
2000-11-03  0:00         ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-11-03  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-11-18  0:00         ` John Magness
2000-11-18  0:00           ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-19  0:00           ` Ted Dennison
2000-11-03  0:00       ` Ted Dennison
2000-11-06  0:00       ` Gautier
2000-11-06  0:00       ` Laurent Guerby
2000-11-06  0:00         ` Ted Dennison
2000-11-04  0:00     ` Lao Xiao Hai
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