From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: function Is_Open (File : File_Type) return Boolean; :Text_io
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 21:59:39 +0100
Date: 2015-10-28T21:59:39+01:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <8sg1d8fu8pnu.meor8uvktrgr$.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87h9la3gf8.fsf@theworld.com
On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 16:07:55 -0400, Bob Duff wrote:
> "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> writes:
>
>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 09:30:54 -0400, Bob Duff wrote:
>>
>>> "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 18:48:51 -0400, Bob Duff wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> comicfanzine@gmail.com writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can someone please show my a code in which this function is used , i'm
>>>>>> lost , thanks .
>>>>>
>>>>> Most code is written so that it is statically known whether a file is
>>>>> open, so Is_Open is close to useless. Not entirely useless -- you might
>>>>> use it in an assertion, such as:
>>>>>
>>>>> subtype Open_File is File with Predicate => Is_Open(Open_File);
>>>>
>>>> In order to have the Constraint_Error exception instead of Status_Error?
>>>
>>> No, in order to document the fact that a certain formal parameter must
>>> be open, and in order to prove things statically. If a procedure takes
>>> "F: Open_File", then we can easily prove that writes to F within that
>>> procedure do not raise Status_Error.
>>
>> That does not make sense either. There is nothing in the procedure itself
>> that would prevent raising Status_Error. Everything is on the caller's
>> side. How do you know if some callers would not appreciate Status_Error as
>> a possible outcome? Looks like poor design to me.
>
> I don't understand what you're getting at. We can, of course, make the
> Predicate raise Status_Error if we want. But the point is to prove
> statically that files are open when we want to write to them. The
> example of the log file ("We want to write on the file if and only if it
> is open") is unusual. The far more common case is: "We want to write
> on the file. No 'if's about it. Therefore, the file had better be
> open."
No doubt about it. That does not help to understand how substituting one
exception for another changes anything. A caller still can pass a closed
file in both cases.
>> Anyway proving either of the conditions A) not raising Constraint_Error, B)
>> not raising Status_Error look equally hard.
>
> I think it is important that proofs be localized. E.g. proving
> something about P should not require examining all call sites
> that call P. Suppose we have:
>
> procedure P(F: in out Open_File) is
> begin
> ...
> Put(F, ...);
> ...
> end P;
You cannot prove that P does not raise Constraint_Error, in fact it is the
opposite, it does raise, when F is not open.
You could only prove that *if* F is open then Constraint_Error is not
raised. Likewise you could prove that if F is open then Status_Error is not
raised, as locally as for another one. It is just same.
> At the call to Put, we can (informally) prove that F is open.
> (This requires knowing certain things, such as Is_Open not having
> side effects, and nobody is sneakily calling Close in the "..." parts.
> To automate such a proof, you'd need some way of expressing such
> things -- e.g. globals annotations as supported by SPARK 2014.)
>
> The Predicate is pushing the responsibility of opening the file to the
> caller. That's a good thing, because the caller likely knows:
>
> procedure Caller(Name: String) is
> F: File_Type;
> begin
> Open(F, Name, ...);
> P(F);
>
> We know at "P(F)" that F is open because we just opened it.
> Both of these proofs are local and static. There's no issue
> about Constraint_Error versus Assertion_Failure versus Status_Error,
> because we know that no exception is raised.
>
> Without the Predicate (or an equivalent precondition), the proofs
> fall apart.
They don't because Text_IO procedures have contracts not to raise
Status_Error. This is fully equivalent. You cannot say that they don't have
contracts because your proof is necessarily based on these implied
contracts.
> I'd say that's the main point of contracts -- to allow localized
> reasoning about programs.
Yes, and these contracts exist as documented in ARM. The only problem is
that they are not explicit.
--
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de
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2015-10-26 10:00 function Is_Open (File : File_Type) return Boolean; :Text_io comicfanzine
2015-10-26 11:27 ` Simon Wright
2015-10-26 13:25 ` comicfanzine
2015-10-26 18:01 ` Simon Wright
2015-10-26 19:03 ` AdaMagica
2015-10-27 11:30 ` Simon Wright
2015-10-26 18:02 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-10-26 13:28 ` comicfanzine
2015-10-26 15:07 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2015-10-26 16:37 ` AdaMagica
2015-10-26 20:46 ` J-P. Rosen
2015-10-27 8:42 ` comicfanzine
2015-10-27 11:34 ` Simon Wright
2015-10-28 13:32 ` comicfanzine
2015-10-27 8:51 ` comicfanzine
2015-10-27 17:15 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-10-26 22:48 ` Bob Duff
2015-10-27 8:30 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-10-27 13:30 ` Bob Duff
2015-10-27 14:00 ` G.B.
2015-10-27 15:26 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-10-27 16:43 ` G.B.
2015-10-27 20:04 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-10-28 11:06 ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-10-28 17:58 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-10-28 18:20 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-10-28 20:36 ` Bob Duff
2015-10-28 21:02 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-10-29 11:25 ` AdaMagica
2015-10-29 13:37 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-10-29 17:57 ` AdaMagica
2015-10-29 18:12 ` AdaMagica
2015-10-29 18:26 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-10-30 8:27 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2015-10-30 9:11 ` J-P. Rosen
2015-10-29 11:47 ` G.B.
2015-10-29 13:01 ` J-P. Rosen
2015-10-29 14:00 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-10-30 1:06 ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-10-30 8:39 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-10-30 14:32 ` G.B.
2015-10-30 16:20 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-10-30 19:07 ` G.B.
2015-10-31 9:31 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-10-31 11:17 ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-10-30 14:40 ` G.B.
2015-10-30 16:26 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-10-28 20:07 ` Bob Duff
2015-10-28 20:59 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2015-10-27 14:02 ` G.B.
2015-10-27 15:10 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-10-27 16:41 ` G.B.
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