Re: Simulating the rolling of dices to produce truly random numbers?

[Mace Ayres <mace.ayres@gmail.com>]

On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 4:45:30 AM UTC-8, AdaMagica wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 10. Januar 2018 23:54:46 UTC+1 schrieb Mace Ayres:
> > If I choose n among the set 1..500, based on my own sense of randomness, is that random?
> 
> Depends on how you choose. If you take 500 cards and shuffle suffiently after each choice, the outcome depends on your shuffling skills. Result might be quite random.
> 
> However, if you just write them down in an arbitrary manner on a sheet of paper, the result is definitely not random.

I think we may be in different frames of reference, one defining randomness within a machine/algorithmic frame; and the other from the human frame. In either case, it is human judgement that gives the final approval of 'true' randomness. In one case relying of the 'true' randomness of the machine algorithm; the other relies on what the human says is random. I think stuffing the deck is only relevant with multiple random picks,since the final election is determined where my hand selects a card, which is independent of any shuffle. I can can pick any one of a deck of cards, there is 1:52 chance of getting any card. That is just as random as any algorithm, if we accept that any mental process we have before picking is always random. I propose that our thoughts and determination of which card to pick is ultimately random, though we may imagine that we can pick a card non randomly.