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From: Richard D Riehle <laoXhai@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Desirability of C++
Date: 2000/04/28
Date: 2000-04-28T18:29:34+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8eclae$afj$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 38F7A27A.4F7729FA@raytheon.com

In article <38F7A27A.4F7729FA@raytheon.com>,
	"Stanley R. Allen" <Stanley_R_Allen-NR@raytheon.com> wrote:

>We should seriously question the assumption that it is easier to
>hire C++ vs. Ada programmers.  The entire Information Technology 
>industry is facing severe hiring problems, so the shortage of
>Ada programmers is at least in part a reflection of the more
>general situation.

Here is the U.S. it gets pretty silly sometimes.  Last week, yet
another senior military officer pronounced in an influential meeting,
"Ada is dead."  Readers of this forum will undestand that it was a
stupid thing to say, but those withing listening range will deferentially
nod in agreement, as if this absurdity actually had any meaning.  

When someone who issues such a banality is challenged with the question,
"So the alternative to Ada is what?" the usual answer is C++ or, even
worse, Java.  This answer demonstrates a deficit of understanding at
such a high level in the Department of Defense that one wonders if those
making important decisions are being inadvertantly advised by people
with agendas other than the construction of reliable software.  

Who does influence the language selection decision within a large organization?
One could reasonably ask whether that influence is guided by the economic
interests of those who stand to make the most money from products and 
services related to those decisions.  Large companies with deep pockets are
not building Ada compilers and tools.  

We once had a congressional lobbyist, funded by the Ada Resource Association,
going to the "Hill" to make our case.  For a long time we had Ralph Crafts
visiting Senators and Congressmen to make the case for Ada.  At present, we
have no one making the case.  No one is visiting DoD officials, government
officials, congresspersons, senators, or anyone else with influence.  No
one is writing any articles, press releases, or anything else that finds its
way into the consciousness of those making decisions.  

Why has no one ever written a press release for ComputerWorld, or published
an advertisement in ComputerWorld, Government Computer Week, or other general
publications in the computer field announcing that their Ada compiler is used
for the Boeing 777 or the Channel Tunnel, or the Fokker 100, or brings you
your nightly newscast via a communications satellite?   

The perception of many senior military officials concurs with that of officer
mentioned earlier in this article.  His ignorance is not his own fault.  It is
the fault of those of us who fail to get the message more broadly disseminated.

OK.  I guess I need to write and publish more articles.  For the past two years
I have been tied up with other things.  I'll try to get some writing done and
see if anyone still wants to publish an occasional article about Ada.  It would
be nice to have the facts about some good projects to include in such articles,
though.  No one wants to read my ranting without the seasoning of a few good
anecdotes.  

Anyone else out there able to write a set of entertaining and coherent sentences
for publication to improve visibility?   

Hint:  If you are planning to write about Ada for publication, your article should
       be first about the solution to some problem, and second about Ada.  Most
       editors are not interested in Ada because they have so few readers who care
       about Ada.  However, when you can demonstrate a project in which Ada was an
       important part of the solution space, they will be open to the article, not
       because of the Ada but in spite of it. 
 
Richard Riehle





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2000-02-04  0:00 where can we get a job with ada HollymaN
2000-02-03  0:00 ` David Kristola
2000-02-04  0:00   ` EKoerber
2000-02-04  0:00     ` Ted Dennison
2000-02-04  0:00       ` Brian Rogoff
2000-02-05  0:00         ` David Kristola
2000-02-06  0:00           ` Simon Brady
2000-02-07  0:00             ` Gareth
2000-02-07  0:00               ` Ted Dennison
2000-02-07  0:00               ` Kent Paul Dolan
2000-02-07  0:00                 ` Gareth
2000-02-08  0:00                   ` Kent Paul Dolan
2000-02-11  0:00                 ` where can we ... [off topic] Nick Roberts
2000-02-07  0:00               ` where can we get a job with ada Simon Brady
2000-02-12  0:00               ` Jeff Carter
2000-02-07  0:00             ` Ted Dennison
2000-02-28  0:00             ` Florian Weimer
2000-02-29  0:00               ` Ted Dennison
2000-03-01  0:00               ` Wes Groleau
2000-03-04  0:00               ` Robert B. Love 
2000-03-05  0:00                 ` Ted Dennison
2000-03-05  0:00                 ` Ada on International Space Station (Re: where can we get a job with ada) Vladimir Olensky
2000-03-08  0:00                   ` Robert B. Love 
2000-03-08  0:00                     ` Jean St-Pierre
2000-03-08  0:00                     ` Vladimir Olensky
2000-04-03  0:00                   ` Andrew Thomas Wilson
2000-04-12  0:00                     ` David Hoffman
2000-04-13  0:00                       ` Robert B. Love 
2000-04-14  0:00                         ` Desirability of C++ (was Re: Ada on International Space Station (Re: where can we get a job with ada)) David Kristola
2000-04-14  0:00                           ` Wes Groleau
2000-04-14  0:00                             ` Desirability of C++ Stanley R. Allen
2000-04-14  0:00                               ` Marin D. Condic
2000-04-15  0:00                                 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-04-15  0:00                                   ` Marin D. Condic
2000-04-15  0:00                                     ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-04-17  0:00                                   ` Alfred Hilscher
2000-04-17  0:00                                     ` Gautier
2000-04-18  0:00                                       ` Pascal Obry
2000-04-18  0:00                                       ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-04-18  0:00                                         ` Gautier
2000-04-28  0:00                                         ` Richard D Riehle
2000-05-02  0:00                                           ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-04-23  0:00                                       ` David Kristola
2000-04-18  0:00                                     ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-04-17  0:00                                 ` Alfred Hilscher
2000-04-17  0:00                                   ` Marin D. Condic
2000-04-17  0:00                                     ` Gary Scott
2000-04-28  0:00                               ` Richard D Riehle [this message]
2000-04-30  0:00                                 ` Robert B. Love 
2000-05-01  0:00                                   ` Richard D Riehle
2000-05-01  0:00                                     ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-04-30  0:00                                       ` Keith Thompson
2000-05-01  0:00                                         ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-01  0:00                                           ` Keith Thompson
2000-05-01  0:00                                       ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2000-05-01  0:00                                         ` Pascal Obry
2000-05-01  0:00                                           ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2000-05-01  0:00                                           ` Gautier
2000-05-01  0:00                                             ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-01  0:00                                         ` Gautier
2000-05-01  0:00                                       ` Gautier
2000-05-01  0:00                                         ` Marin D. Condic
2000-05-01  0:00                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2000-05-01  0:00                                           ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2000-05-01  0:00                                             ` tmoran
2000-05-02  0:00                                               ` Al Christians
2000-05-02  0:00                                               ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-05-02  0:00                                                 ` Preben Randhol
2000-05-02  0:00                                                   ` Keith Thompson
2000-05-02  0:00                                                   ` Strings TP/Ada (was Desirability of C++) Gautier
2000-05-03  0:00                                                   ` Desirability of C++ Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-05-03  0:00                                                     ` Robert A Duff
2000-05-02  0:00                                               ` Gautier
2000-05-02  0:00                                                 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-05-02  0:00                                                   ` Gautier
2000-05-02  0:00                                                     ` Robert A Duff
2000-05-03  0:00                                                       ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-05-03  0:00                                                         ` Robert A Duff
2000-05-03  0:00                                                           ` Delphi Strings (was Re: Desirability of C++) Ray Blaak
2000-05-03  0:00                                                         ` Desirability of C++ Pascal Obry
2000-05-03  0:00                                                           ` Paul Graham
2000-05-03  0:00                                                             ` Pascal Obry
2000-05-03  0:00                                                               ` Paul Graham
2000-05-03  0:00                                                                 ` Robert A Duff
2000-05-04  0:00                                                               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2000-05-04  0:00                                                                 ` Preben Randhol
2000-05-04  0:00                                                                   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2000-05-04  0:00                                                                     ` Preben Randhol
2000-05-04  0:00                                                                 ` Pascal Obry
2000-05-05  0:00                                                             ` Gautier
2000-05-04  0:00                                                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2000-05-03  0:00                                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2000-05-03  0:00                                                         ` Robert A Duff
2000-05-04  0:00                                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2000-05-02  0:00                                                     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-05-03  0:00                                                       ` Robert A Duff
2000-05-03  0:00                                                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-05-03  0:00                                                       ` Marin D. Condic
2000-05-03  0:00                                                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-05-03  0:00                                                           ` Wes Groleau
2000-05-04  0:00                                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2000-05-05  0:00                                                           ` Marin D. Condic
2000-05-02  0:00                                             ` Gautier
2000-05-01  0:00                                           ` Gautier
2000-05-01  0:00                                             ` Brian Rogoff
2000-05-02  0:00                                               ` Gautier
2000-05-02  0:00                                             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2000-05-02  0:00                                           ` Richard D Riehle
2000-05-01  0:00                                         ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-01  0:00                                           ` Pat Rogers
2000-05-01  0:00                                             ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-01  0:00                                               ` Pat Rogers
2000-05-01  0:00                                                 ` Michael P. Walsh
2000-05-01  0:00                                                   ` Pat Rogers
2000-05-01  0:00                                                     ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-02  0:00                                                       ` Bill Greene
2000-05-01  0:00                                             ` David Starner
2000-05-01  0:00                                               ` David Starner
2000-05-01  0:00                                               ` Florian Weimer
2000-05-01  0:00                                                 ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-01  0:00                                                   ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2000-05-01  0:00                                                     ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-02  0:00                                                       ` Preben Randhol
2000-05-02  0:00                                                       ` Florian Weimer
2000-05-02  0:00                                                   ` Application in Ada (was Desirability of C++) Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-05-02  0:00                                                     ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-02  0:00                                                       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-05-03  0:00                                                       ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2000-05-03  0:00                                                         ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-01  0:00                                                 ` Desirability of C++ David Starner
2000-05-01  0:00                                                 ` Lionel Draghi
2000-05-02  0:00                                                   ` Florian Weimer
2000-05-01  0:00                                                 ` tmoran
2000-05-01  0:00                                               ` Pat Rogers
2000-05-01  0:00                                                 ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-01  0:00                                                   ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-01  0:00                                                     ` Gautier
2000-05-01  0:00                                                     ` Pat Rogers
2000-05-01  0:00                                       ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-07  0:00                                       ` ANTHONY GAIR
2000-05-07  0:00                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2000-05-07  0:00                                           ` ANTHONY GAIR
2000-05-08  0:00                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2000-05-09  0:00                                               ` Pascal Obry
2000-05-11  0:00                                             ` wv12
2000-05-11  0:00                                               ` Warner Bruns
2000-05-18  0:00                                                 ` ANTHONY GAIR
2000-05-18  0:00                                                 ` Warner Bruns
2000-05-19  0:00                                                   ` ANTHONY GAIR
2000-05-24  0:00                                                   ` Richard Kenner
2000-05-11  0:00                                               ` Frank J. Lhota
2000-05-07  0:00                                         ` Robert Dewar
2000-05-07  0:00                                         ` Richard D Riehle
2000-05-07  0:00                                           ` ANTHONY GAIR
2000-05-08  0:00                                             ` Pascal Obry
2000-05-08  0:00                                               ` Ehud Lamm
2000-05-08  0:00                                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-05-08  0:00                                           ` Mario Klebsch
2000-05-08  0:00                                             ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-08  0:00                                               ` Gautier
2000-05-09  0:00                                               ` Stanley R. Allen
2000-05-10  0:00                                                 ` Mario Klebsch
2000-05-10  0:00                                                 ` Alfred Hilscher
2000-05-08  0:00                                           ` Stanley R. Allen
2000-05-09  0:00                                             ` Richard D Riehle
2000-05-01  0:00                                     ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2000-05-01  0:00                                 ` Ken Garlington
2000-04-29  0:00                         ` Ada on International Space Station (Re: where can we get a job with ada) Chris Johnston
2000-05-01  0:00                           ` Ted Dennison
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2000-05-01  0:00                         ` Desirability of C++ E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-01  0:00                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-03-22  0:00                 ` where can we get a job with ada Florian Weimer
2000-03-05  0:00               ` David Kristola
2000-02-04  0:00 ` Stanley R. Allen
2000-02-04  0:00   ` Stanley R. Allen
2000-02-06  0:00 ` David Tannen
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