From: Phil Thornley <phil.jpthornley@googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: Lost in translation (with SPARK user rules)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 06:38:27 -0700 (PDT)
Date: 2010-05-27T06:38:27-07:00 [thread overview]
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On 27 May, 13:36, Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) <yannick_duch...@yahoo.fr>
wrote:
> Le Thu, 27 May 2010 13:57:58 +0200, Phil Thornley
> <phil.jpthorn...@googlemail.com> a écrit:> So my approach is now to create user rules so that the Simplfier
> > proves 100% of the VCs. However this sometimes requires quite complex
> > user rules that are difficult validate manually, so I use the Proof
> > Checker to validate those rules by creating VCs that correspond to the
> > rule and proving those.
>
> This is close to my personal wish too, except I see a slight difference :
> I prefer to write very simple user rules, easily proved (like as easy to
> prove as using a truth table) and write Check based demonstrations relying
> on these rules. This is because I feel it is more safe (enforce soundness)
> and because it left more in the source in less in external documents (does
> not brake source navigability and layout logic).
I very much agree with this approach - adding a sequence of check
annotations so that the rules required are easy to validate. However
you have to balance this against the size of the annotations required.
For example, a few years ago I was trying to prove the correctness of
code for a red-black tree, the single rotation procedure was four
lines of code, but it took about 60 lines of check annotations plus a
bunch of quite complex rules, to prove that the tree stayed a valid
binary tree (and I never got round to proving the colour invariants).
Cheers,
Phil
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2010-05-26 10:09 Lost in translation (with SPARK user rules) Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-26 10:38 ` Phil Thornley
2010-05-26 10:57 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-26 14:15 ` Pascal Obry
2010-05-26 14:28 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-26 19:28 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-26 20:14 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-26 21:14 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-26 21:15 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-26 22:01 ` Peter C. Chapin
2010-05-27 12:32 ` Mark Lorenzen
2010-05-27 18:34 ` Pascal Obry
2010-05-27 19:18 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-28 9:39 ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-05-28 11:57 ` SPARK and testing. Was: " Peter C. Chapin
2010-05-28 12:59 ` SPARK and testing Peter C. Chapin
2010-05-28 23:06 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-26 19:16 ` Lost in translation (with SPARK user rules) Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-26 19:32 ` Pascal Obry
2010-05-26 20:56 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-26 22:06 ` Peter C. Chapin
2010-05-27 18:39 ` Pascal Obry
2010-05-26 22:17 ` Peter C. Chapin
2010-05-27 10:11 ` Sockets package in SPARK (Was: Lost in translation (with SPARK user rules)) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2010-05-27 18:41 ` Pascal Obry
2010-05-27 19:20 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-28 7:43 ` Sockets package in SPARK Jacob Sparre Andersen
2010-05-27 8:13 ` Lost in translation (with SPARK user rules) Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-27 10:55 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-27 11:32 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-27 11:41 ` Phil Thornley
2010-05-27 12:42 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-27 12:22 ` stefan-lucks
2010-05-27 11:37 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-27 11:57 ` Phil Thornley
2010-05-27 12:36 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-27 13:38 ` Phil Thornley [this message]
2010-06-03 2:44 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-27 19:53 ` Warren
2010-05-29 23:03 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-30 6:55 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-30 9:30 ` Phil Thornley
2010-05-30 9:46 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-30 9:26 ` Phil Thornley
2010-05-30 9:57 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-01 5:42 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
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