From: Robert Dewar <robert_dewar@my-deja.com>
Subject: Re: friend classes in ada95
Date: 2000/04/20
Date: 2000-04-20T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <8dliaf$r6k$1@nnrp1.deja.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 38FE365D.31C893A6@acm.org
In article <38FE365D.31C893A6@acm.org>,
jrcarter@acm.org wrote:
> Wirth, in accepting OO for Oberon, said that it's simply ADTs
> under another name.
If that's accurately stated, he is missing something!
> When I first looked into OO about 1984, once I finally
> understood what was going on, I didn't find anything new,
> except that the mechanism use made the code less readable than
> if composition had been used.
Well seeing as it is Simula-*67* you would hardly expect to
find anything new in 1984!
> I suspected that the OO people made up new terms for well
> establishe concepts such as type (class) and subprogram
> (methods) to mask this lack of original content.
Then you are missing something too.
The object oriented programming paradigm, involving objects
with state, with a message passing discipline between objects,
is a valuable one with many applications (although trying to
bend it to all applications is unfortunate).
I know these two positions well:
All abstract data types are objects, and anything I do with
ADT's is OO programming.
There is no such thing as OO, it's all hype.
But neither of these is a helpful illuminating position!
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Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2000-04-14 0:00 friend classes in ada95 Stefan Folkesson
2000-04-14 0:00 ` Julian Day
2000-04-14 0:00 ` Steve Folly
2000-04-14 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
2000-04-17 0:00 ` John J. Rusnak
2000-04-18 0:00 ` Vincent Marciante
2000-04-18 0:00 ` John Rusnak
2000-04-18 0:00 ` Steve Folly
2000-04-14 0:00 ` Florian Weimer
2000-04-14 0:00 ` Stefan Folkesson
2000-04-14 0:00 ` swhalen
2000-04-14 0:00 ` John J. Rusnak
2000-04-15 0:00 ` Jeff Carter
2000-04-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
2000-04-16 0:00 ` David Botton
2000-04-17 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
2000-04-17 0:00 ` David Botton
2000-04-18 0:00 ` friend classes in ada95 (long) tmoran
2000-04-18 0:00 ` David Botton
2000-04-18 0:00 ` friend classes in ada95 Stanley R. Allen
2000-04-19 0:00 ` friend classes in ada95 (long) Brian Rogoff
2000-04-19 0:00 ` David Botton
2000-04-19 0:00 ` Hyman Rosen
2000-04-19 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
2000-04-23 0:00 ` Hyman Rosen
2000-04-23 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
2000-04-24 0:00 ` Hyman Rosen
2000-04-25 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
2000-04-25 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2000-04-19 0:00 ` MI, was Re: friend classes in ada95 tmoran
2000-04-19 0:00 ` David Botton
2000-04-17 0:00 ` David Botton
2000-04-18 0:00 ` Geoff Bull
2000-04-18 0:00 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-04-18 0:00 ` David Botton
2000-04-18 0:00 ` Pascal Obry
2000-04-18 0:00 ` John Rusnak
2000-04-19 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
2000-04-18 0:00 ` tmoran
2000-04-18 0:00 ` John J. Rusnak
2000-04-19 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
2000-04-19 0:00 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-04-19 0:00 ` Geoff Bull
2000-04-19 0:00 ` Ehud Lamm
2000-04-19 0:00 ` David Botton
2000-04-19 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
2000-04-19 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
2000-04-20 0:00 ` Geoff Bull
2000-04-19 0:00 ` Jeff Susanj
2000-04-19 0:00 ` Bill Greene
2000-04-19 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
2000-04-19 0:00 ` Jeff Carter
2000-04-19 0:00 ` Ray Blaak
2000-04-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
2000-04-20 0:00 ` Ray Blaak
2000-04-20 0:00 ` Charles Hixson
2000-04-21 0:00 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-04-29 0:00 ` Aidan Skinner
2000-04-29 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
2000-04-21 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
2000-04-20 0:00 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-04-20 0:00 ` Ray Blaak
2000-04-20 0:00 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-04-24 0:00 ` Ray Blaak
2000-04-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
2000-04-20 0:00 ` BSCrawford
2000-04-20 0:00 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-04-20 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
2000-04-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar [this message]
2000-04-20 0:00 ` Jeff Carter
2000-04-21 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
2000-04-21 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
2000-04-21 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
2000-04-22 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
2000-04-19 0:00 ` tmoran
2000-04-19 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
2000-04-18 0:00 ` David Botton
2000-04-16 0:00 ` Jeff Carter
2000-04-16 0:00 ` David Botton
2000-04-17 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
2000-04-17 0:00 ` Hyman Rosen
2000-04-17 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
2000-04-17 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
2000-04-18 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
2000-04-19 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
2000-04-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
2000-04-20 0:00 ` Ray Blaak
2000-04-23 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
2000-04-19 0:00 ` Alfred Hilscher
2000-04-19 0:00 ` Ray Blaak
2000-04-19 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
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