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From: Robert Dewar <robert_dewar@my-deja.com>
Subject: Re: No Go To's Forever!
Date: 2000/03/23
Date: 2000-03-23T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8bdno8$b66$1@nnrp1.deja.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 8bd9ve$r1c$1@nnrp1.deja.com

In article <8bd9ve$r1c$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  Ted Dennison <dennison@telepath.com> wrote:
> A tool? How would such a tool be written? It looks to me like
> you'd need
> an Ada parser to hook it to. Not everyone has the ability or
> permission
> to hack stuff like this into their compiler. Perhaps ASIS
> could help,
> but not every compiler supports ASIS.

Most compilers do support ASIS, and indeed this is a good
way or providing such checking tools.

This particular check of course is trivial to program, you
do not need ASIS

> And even if you did have the tool, how are you going to force
> maintainers to use it? Perhaps its a bit easier for you to
> make edicts like that at ACT, but I often write code that is
> owned by the government and will be maintained by whoever they
> decide to hire to do the job.

Maintainers who are under no constraints can do anything they
like, including replacing all your if statements with gotos.
Every significant body of code should be accompanied by a
rigorous set of coding standards, and competent maintenance
should maintain the same set of standards.

Yes, Ted, I know you have often complained of living in an
environment with limited ability compilers, lack of control
over procedures etc, but you should not assume that every
environment is like this :-)

> Really this is no more of a solution that "lint" is a solution
> to C's weak type checking.

You definitely need tools to enforce coding standards. There
are third party tools, e.g. the Xinotech Composer (hope I
am spelling name right) that can do a good job here.

As you know GNAT itself includes some extensive style checks
corresponding to a significant part of our internal coding
standards. Of course this does not include restrictions on
gotos, since we have no codified restrictions (it is merely
a feature in the language, that, like all other features,
should be used when and only when it is appropriate to do
so). Again you may complain that you work in an environment
where programmers cannot make this kind of decision correctly,
but that is not the universal situation.

Actually at ACT, we have a systematic procedure where all
changes made by one person are reviewed by another person,
for both logic and stylistic issues.

I consider such a procedure to be essential in any environment,
and it is even more important in a maintenance situation.


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2000-03-23  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-03-21  0:00 No Go To's Forever! Bill Dale
2000-03-21  0:00 ` David Starner
2000-03-21  0:00   ` Bill Dale
2000-03-22  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-22  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-22  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-22  0:00     ` Roger Barnett
2000-03-22  0:00       ` Charles Hixson
2000-03-22  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
2000-03-22  0:00     ` Paul Graham
2000-03-22  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-22  0:00         ` Brian Rogoff
2000-03-22  0:00           ` Ted Dennison
2000-03-22  0:00             ` Michael P. Walsh
2000-03-23  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-22  0:00         ` Michael P. Walsh
2000-03-22  0:00           ` Charles Hixson
2000-04-06  0:00             ` Wes Groleau
2000-04-07  0:00               ` Charles Hixson
2000-03-22  0:00         ` Paul Graham
2000-03-23  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-23  0:00             ` Ted Dennison
2000-03-23  0:00               ` Paul Graham
2000-03-23  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-23  0:00               ` Robert Dewar [this message]
2000-03-23  0:00               ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-03-21  0:00 ` Charles Hixson
2000-03-21  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-21  0:00     ` Michael P. Walsh
2000-03-21  0:00       ` Andrew Berg
2000-03-22  0:00         ` Wes Groleau
2000-03-22  0:00           ` No Go To's Forever! (I'm sorry I spoke...) dis90072
2000-03-23  0:00             ` tmoran
2000-03-23  0:00               ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-03-22  0:00     ` No Go To's Forever! Ken Garlington
2000-03-22  0:00       ` Marin D. Condic
2000-03-22  0:00         ` Roger Barnett
2000-03-22  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-03-23  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-23  0:00         ` Keith Thompson
2000-03-24  0:00           ` Ted Dennison
2000-03-27  0:00             ` Keith Thompson
2000-03-28  0:00               ` Come From Forever! (was: No Go To's Forever!) Ted Dennison
2000-03-29  0:00                 ` Keith Thompson
2000-03-24  0:00           ` No Go To's Forever! Marin D. Condic
2000-03-25  0:00           ` Richard D Riehle
2000-03-21  0:00   ` Gautier
2000-03-22  0:00   ` Tim Gahnström
2000-03-21  0:00     ` David Starner
2000-03-22  0:00     ` tmoran
2000-03-22  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-22  0:00         ` tmoran
2000-03-23  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-23  0:00             ` tmoran
2000-03-23  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-23  0:00                 ` tmoran
2000-03-24  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-24  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
2000-04-16  0:00                     ` Kenneth Almquist
2000-04-17  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
2000-04-18  0:00                         ` Dale Stanbrough
2000-04-18  0:00                           ` David Starner
2000-04-18  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
2000-04-17  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-23  0:00                 ` Jeff Carter
2000-03-24  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-29  0:00                 ` Martin Dowie
2000-03-29  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-29  0:00                   ` Florian Weimer
2000-03-29  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-30  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
2000-04-01  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
2000-04-01  0:00                           ` Robert A Duff
2000-04-02  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
2000-04-21  0:00                       ` Florian Weimer
2000-04-21  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-29  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-24  0:00         ` tmoran
2000-03-22  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-22  0:00       ` Ken Garlington
2000-03-21  0:00         ` Keith Thompson
2000-03-22  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-22  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-23  0:00           ` Ken Garlington
2000-03-23  0:00       ` Tim Gahnstr�m
2000-03-22  0:00 ` Pascal Obry
2000-03-22  0:00 ` Marin D. Condic
2000-03-22  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-22  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
2000-03-22  0:00       ` Roger Barnett
2000-03-23  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-23  0:00           ` Roger Barnett
2000-03-24  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-23  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-22  0:00         ` Jon S Anthony
2000-03-22  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-22  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-23  0:00   ` Chris Morgan
2000-03-22  0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
2000-03-23  0:00   ` Jeff Carter
2000-03-23  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-23  0:00     ` Michael P. Walsh
2000-03-23  0:00       ` Brian Rogoff
     [not found] ` <01bf9436$9c054880$2c5101be@bthomas4663>
2000-03-23  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-23  0:00   ` Ken Garlington
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