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From: Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Have the Itanium critics all been proven wrong?
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:01:12 -0700 (PDT)
Date: 2012-08-22T09:01:12-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8ae04fc0-375b-4d24-a407-26a18100b480@dh10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 793f28d5-8d61-48e7-adc8-266356cecd26@cf4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com

On Aug 22, 6:59 pm, Michael S <already5cho...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 22, 6:06 pm, Brian Drummond <br...@shapes.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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> > On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 07:00:31 -0700, Michael S wrote:
> > > On Aug 22, 3:39 pm, Brian Drummond <br...@shapes.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > >> On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 03:32:00 -0700, Michael S wrote:
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> > [... discussion of private types exported to module A from B]
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> > >> This puts B in charge of the object lifetimes; if A wants to access a
> > >> stale object, expect an exception.
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> > > Exception, if I am lucky.
> > > If I am less lucky, the physical place of old auto object is now
> > > occupied by new auto object of the same or compatible type and the call
> > > to accessor caused silent corruption.
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> > If a module has exported a pointer to an "auto object" then the
> > accessibility checks have been circumvented by unchecked_access or
> > unchecked_conversion. In which case ... yes, caveat programmer!
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> My knowledge of Ada is rather rusty :(
> Is it correct to say that applying 'access attribute to auto objects
> is a syntax error and that the only possible way of getting access to
> such objects is by applying  'unchecked_access attribute?
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> Thinking about it, it makes sense.
> 99% of cases of passing pointers to auto object as parameters in C are
> not because programmer really wants to pass pointer, but because of
> absence of 'out' and 'in out' modes and due to inefficiency of passing
> of big objects in C language equivalent of 'in' mode.
> Also nearly 100% of uses of  pointers to auto object in the local
> context are due to [by now quite often false] programmer's believe
> that he can optimize better than optimizing compiler.

Wrote it before seeing Bill's post above. Sorry.



  reply	other threads:[~2012-08-26 14:11 UTC|newest]

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2012-08-21 20:48                               ` Have the Itanium critics all been proven wrong? Niklas Holsti
2012-08-21 22:32                                 ` Robert A Duff
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2012-08-22  2:32                                   ` Bill Findlay
2012-08-22  2:42                                     ` Adam Beneschan
2012-08-22  4:08                                       ` Bill Findlay
2012-08-22  4:40                                         ` Adam Beneschan
2012-08-22  9:29                                 ` Michael S
2012-08-22 10:14                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-22 10:28                                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2012-08-22 12:48                                     ` Brian Drummond
2012-08-22 15:42                                       ` Ludovic Brenta
2012-08-22 10:54                                   ` Niklas Holsti
2012-08-22 12:43                                     ` Michael S
2012-08-22 13:20                                       ` Michael S
2012-08-22 22:30                                         ` Randy Brukardt
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2012-08-22 12:39                                   ` Brian Drummond
2012-08-22 14:00                                     ` Michael S
2012-08-22 15:06                                       ` Brian Drummond
2012-08-22 15:21                                         ` Bill Findlay
2012-08-22 15:59                                         ` Michael S
2012-08-22 16:01                                           ` Michael S [this message]
2012-08-22 16:58                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-22 18:18                                           ` Bill Findlay
2012-08-22 15:05                                     ` Simon Wright
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2012-08-22 22:35       ` Bill Findlay
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