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From: Ted Dennison <dennison@telepath.com>
Subject: Re: Win2000 has 63,000 'defects'
Date: 2000/03/07
Date: 2000-03-07T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8a3635$oas$1@nnrp1.deja.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 8a1g93$ijs$1@nnrp1.deja.com

In article <8a1g93$ijs$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  Robert Dewar <robert_dewar@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <38C3D03D.FD5D39D1@earthlink.net>,
>   Charles Hixson <charleshixsn@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > But one still needs debugging tools.
>
> Actually a lot of Ada programmers find that all they really
> need is a good symbolic back trace, and many people use a
> debugger only to obtain this information.

If the only bug under consideration is one that causes an exception, I
could see that. But I fail to see how that helps at all when the bug is
a behavioral or timing issue. Its true that the source of behavioral
bugs can usually be intuited by someone clever who knows all the code
involved intimately and takes the time to think it through. But in a
large project often there is just too much code involved for one person
to grok it all.

As for timing bugs (eg: this routine has 8ms to run, but takes 22),
trying to fix the problem without first using tools to locate it is a
damn good way to waste a lot of time and make a big mess.

As for me, give me all the tools available, and then some. Stack traces,
debuggers, profilers, timers, cpu monitors, data monitors. Love 'em all.

--
T.E.D.

http://www.telepath.com/~dennison/Ted/TED.html


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  reply	other threads:[~2000-03-07  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-02-15  0:00 Win2000 has 63,000 'defects' Gautier
2000-02-15  0:00 ` Florian Weimer
2000-02-15  0:00   ` Marin D. Condic
2000-02-15  0:00   ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]     ` <38A9C619.790950B0@quadruscorp.com>
2000-02-15  0:00       ` Keith Thompson
2000-02-17  0:00   ` Ted Dennison
2000-02-17  0:00     ` Gautier
2000-02-15  0:00 ` Hyman Rosen
2000-02-15  0:00   ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-02-15  0:00     ` Hyman Rosen
2000-02-15  0:00       ` Brian Rogoff
2000-02-15  0:00       ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-02-15  0:00         ` Hyman Rosen
2000-02-15  0:00           ` Ed Falis
2000-02-15  0:00             ` Hyman Rosen
     [not found]             ` <RUkq4.1243$dw3.69085@news.wenet.net>
2000-02-15  0:00               ` Dang! (was Re: Win2000 has 63,000 'defects') Mike Silva
2000-02-17  0:00                 ` Preben Randhol
2000-02-17  0:00                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-02-15  0:00           ` Win2000 has 63,000 'defects' Brian Rogoff
     [not found]           ` <150220001931201946%emery@grebyn.com>
2000-02-17  0:00             ` Dale Pontius
     [not found]               ` <1e66z6d.1a9fzdvtbw6t2N%herwin@gmu.edu>
2000-02-19  0:00                 ` Nick Roberts
2000-02-19  0:00               ` Joe Wisniewski
2000-02-21  0:00                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-03-04  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2000-03-06  0:00                     ` Charles Hixson
2000-03-06  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
2000-03-07  0:00                         ` Ted Dennison [this message]
2000-03-07  0:00                       ` Marin D. Condic
2000-03-07  0:00                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-03-08  0:00                           ` Marin D. Condic
2000-02-17  0:00       ` Preben Randhol
2000-02-16  0:00   ` Gautier
2000-02-17  0:00   ` Charles Hixson
2000-03-07  0:00     ` Mike Dimmick
2000-03-07  0:00       ` Brian Rogoff
2000-03-08  0:00       ` Dale Pontius
2000-03-08  0:00         ` David Starner
2000-03-08  0:00           ` Ted Dennison
2000-03-08  0:00             ` Laurent Guerby
2000-03-10  0:00             ` Tarjei T. Jensen
     [not found] ` <38A9C4ED.C75316F9@raytheon.com>
2000-02-16  0:00   ` Samuel T. Harris
2000-02-16  0:00 ` Windows TP (Re: Win2000 has 63,000 'defects') Vladimir Olensky
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