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From: Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>
Subject: Re: "Size" of Ada vs. C++ is there ))
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 09:01:24 +0200
Date: 2001-10-16T09:01:24+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ofn8oypn.fsf@deneb.enyo.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: m3bsj84jzg.fsf@wf-rch.cirr.com

minyard@acm.org writes:

>> > ..and compared to C++, Ada is fairly small. 
>> 
>> I'm not sure if this is true if you look at the language core only
>> (and don't take into account any non-essential run-time library
>> components, such as containers or valarrays).
>
> It's true, especially if you include the language core.

>  Things like:
>
>  * Number of operators
>  * Number of reserved words
>  * Size of the specification (Note: This particular item is from vague
>    memory, but I think it's right).

250 vs. 300 pages is not a huge margin.

What about:

   * Number of different forms of type declarations
   * Number of representation control mechanisms
   * Elaboration issues
   * Tasking semantics

These language features are much more complex in Ada than in C++
(simply because C++ hasn't got some of these features).

In any case, I doubt that the "size" of the language tells us much
about the language itself.  Perhaps there are additional factors
that indicate that the language is too big (for example, if no
complete implementations exist), but size is not a problem per se.
For example, I think most if not all Ada programmers appreciate the
elaboration semantics.  They are rather complex, but without them,
very annoying problems would arise.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-10-16  7:01 UTC|newest]

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2001-10-14  2:49           ` Try J# ( was Re: J# is there ) Israel Raj T
2001-10-14  4:39             ` Dale Stanbrough
2001-10-14  5:23               ` Language design by by committee ( was Re: Try J# ( was Re: J# is there )) Israel Raj T
2001-10-14  5:50                 ` Dale Stanbrough
2001-10-14  6:12                   ` Israel Raj T
2001-10-14  7:23                     ` Dale Stanbrough
2001-10-14 10:00                       ` Israel Raj T
2001-10-14 10:34                         ` Dale Stanbrough
2001-10-14  6:37                   ` Israel Raj T
2001-10-14  7:18                     ` Dale Stanbrough
2001-10-14 17:27                       ` Mike Silva
2001-10-21  7:12                         ` mike
2001-10-15 13:53                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-15 21:19                         ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-15 21:43                           ` "Size" of Ada vs. C++ Ted Dennison
2001-10-16  6:51                             ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-16  8:53                               ` Robert*
     [not found]                               ` <8sXy7.31264$ev2.37455@www.newsranger.com>
2001-10-16 15:23                                 ` Sice of C++ vs Ada Marin David Condic
2001-10-17  5:39                               ` "Size" of Ada vs. C++ Richard Riehle
2001-10-16 14:07                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-15 22:27                           ` Language design by by committee ( was Re: Try J# ( was Re: J# is there )) minyard
2001-10-16  7:00                             ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-16  7:01                             ` Florian Weimer [this message]
2001-10-16 15:30                               ` "Size" of Ada vs. C++ " minyard
2001-10-20  0:54                         ` Language design by by committee ( was Re: Try J# ( was Re: J# " Richard Riehle
2001-10-15  9:18                     ` Philip Anderson
2001-10-15  1:54                 ` Robert Dewar
2001-10-15  2:20                   ` Darren New
2001-10-15 16:44                 ` Ray Blaak
2001-10-15 17:12                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-15 18:12                   ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-16  4:09                     ` Tim Tyler
2001-10-16  6:01                       ` Ray Blaak
2001-10-16 14:21                         ` Arthur Evans Jr
2001-10-17  9:35                           ` Where is jean Ichibiah now ? Israel Raj T
2001-10-17 11:57                             ` john
2001-10-17 14:38                               ` Israel Raj T
2001-10-17 14:08                             ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-18  8:17                               ` JTK
2001-10-16 14:23                         ` Language design by by committee ( was Re: Try J# ( was Re: J# is there )) Arthur Evans Jr
2001-10-16 14:19                       ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-16 19:15                       ` Darren New
2001-10-16 14:49                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13  2:15                       ` David Thompson
2001-10-15 19:57                   ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-15 21:01                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-16  4:01                   ` Tim Tyler
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