* ADA 95 - can anyone recommend any training courses @ 2000-01-16 0:00 Adrian Bryant 2000-02-04 0:00 ` HollymaN 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Adrian Bryant @ 2000-01-16 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Hi, Can you anyone recommend any introduction training courses to ADA 95 in the UK. Thanks in advance, Adrian ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: ADA 95 - can anyone recommend any training courses 2000-01-16 0:00 ADA 95 - can anyone recommend any training courses Adrian Bryant @ 2000-02-04 0:00 ` HollymaN 2000-02-04 0:00 ` Gautier 2000-02-04 0:00 ` Preben Randhol 0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: HollymaN @ 2000-02-04 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) ADA???what for?? anyone who s learning this language is considered as a looser including myself :)) who s using ADA anyways??? Adrian Bryant <bryanta@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote in message news:85ten2$gnj$1@taliesin2.netcom.net.uk... > Hi, > > Can you anyone recommend any introduction training courses to ADA 95 in the > UK. > > Thanks in advance, > Adrian > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: ADA 95 - can anyone recommend any training courses 2000-02-04 0:00 ` HollymaN @ 2000-02-04 0:00 ` Gautier 2000-02-04 0:00 ` HollymaN 2000-02-04 0:00 ` Preben Randhol 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Gautier @ 2000-02-04 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) HollymaN wrote: > ADA???what for?? > anyone who s learning this language is considered as a looser including > myself :)) If you are considered as a looser, it is perhaps not because you are learning Ada... -- Gautier _____\\________________\_______\ http://members.xoom.com/gdemont/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: ADA 95 - can anyone recommend any training courses 2000-02-04 0:00 ` Gautier @ 2000-02-04 0:00 ` HollymaN 2000-02-06 0:00 ` Gautier 2000-02-07 0:00 ` Hyman Rosen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: HollymaN @ 2000-02-04 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) :) good reply congratulations.You seem smarter then i thought(despite the fact that use ada). I was taught ada at the university,and when on the real world i just could'nt market myself with that and i had to learn new programing languages (i was the less experienced (in java and c++) in my job and unfortunatly the first in the boss's get your ass fired list ).i worked very hard for a month but one day a newely graduated student came and was better than me (three years at univesity with c++,visual c++,borland c++) Don't get me wrong i do like ada but i blame the university for teaching me ada for over 3 years(a time we should 've spended gaining experience in java c or c++) .I"m for ada as fourth language. Gautier <gautier.demontmollin@maths.unine.ch> wrote in message news:389A82A5.E2C5FE08@maths.unine.ch... > HollymaN wrote: > > > ADA???what for?? > > anyone who s learning this language is considered as a looser including > > myself :)) > > If you are considered as a looser, it is perhaps not because you are learning Ada... > > -- > Gautier > > _____\\________________\_______\ > http://members.xoom.com/gdemont/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: ADA 95 - can anyone recommend any training courses 2000-02-04 0:00 ` HollymaN @ 2000-02-06 0:00 ` Gautier 2000-02-07 0:00 ` Hyman Rosen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Gautier @ 2000-02-06 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) > :) good reply congratulations.You seem smarter then i thought(despite the > fact that use ada). > I was taught ada at the university,and when on the real world i just > could'nt market myself with that [...] Remember that in the real world there are plenty of "pointy haired bosses" who take their mouse as a microphone and read in their magazines that Java is the brightest invention since the wheel. For them, you have to decorate your curriculum vitae with Java, C++ etc. Invest in a "Microsoft certified" diploma to boost your chances! -- Gautier _____\\________________\_______\ http://members.xoom.com/gdemont/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: ADA 95 - can anyone recommend any training courses 2000-02-04 0:00 ` HollymaN 2000-02-06 0:00 ` Gautier @ 2000-02-07 0:00 ` Hyman Rosen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Hyman Rosen @ 2000-02-07 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) "HollymaN" <hollyman@usa.net> writes: > i worked very hard for a month > but one day a newely graduated student came and was better than me (three > years at univesity with c++,visual c++,borland c++) It's possible that you just aren't very good, and that it wouldn't have mattered what language your college taught you. My wife has been trying to hire a programmer for over a year, and sees many applicants with advanced degrees who can not pass a fairly simple programming test. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: ADA 95 - can anyone recommend any training courses 2000-02-04 0:00 ` HollymaN 2000-02-04 0:00 ` Gautier @ 2000-02-04 0:00 ` Preben Randhol 2000-02-04 0:00 ` HollymaN 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Preben Randhol @ 2000-02-04 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) "HollymaN" <hollyman@usa.net> writes: | ADA???what for?? | anyone who s learning this language is considered as a looser including | myself :)) I don't know what people think of you otherwise, but I think that they would have a hard time justifying that you are a looser for learning Ada. Those people that think I should learn Java, I always asks why, and the arguments are usually taken from hyped info about the language and not from real facts. Btw. have anybody heard of a big Java project? I heard that an office suite was dropped (I think it was Applixware), but I haven't heard any success stories. | who s using ADA anyways??? Check http://www.adapower.com -- Preben Randhol -- [randhol@pvv.org] -- [http://www.pvv.org/~randhol/] "Det eneste trygge stedet i verden er inne i en fortelling." -- Athol Fugard ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: ADA 95 - can anyone recommend any training courses 2000-02-04 0:00 ` Preben Randhol @ 2000-02-04 0:00 ` HollymaN 2000-02-04 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: HollymaN @ 2000-02-04 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Come on ,Come on man, you can't ignore java nowdays it's the next big thing,if you are so sure that ada is one hell of a language just answer this :why java developpment is growing that and ada vanishing in the other way.just look at the amzing number of java tools compared with ada ones.Java is like real combat and ada like pro wrestling (it doesn't work in relal life (for finding a job (yeah yeah i know there's 3 or may 6 ada jobs outhere))).i know about rational tools.but the support sucks (there's not enough market for a decent support) they re giving object ada for free. be realistic(unless you work on a company developping somme kind of ada tools to sell) Preben Randhol <randhol@pvv.org> wrote in message news:m3d7qd9pa6.fsf@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no... > "HollymaN" <hollyman@usa.net> writes: > > | ADA???what for?? > | anyone who s learning this language is considered as a looser including > | myself :)) > > I don't know what people think of you otherwise, but I think that they would > have a hard time justifying that you are a looser for learning Ada. > > Those people that think I should learn Java, I always asks why, and the > arguments are usually taken from hyped info about the language and not > from real facts. Btw. have anybody heard of a big Java project? I > heard that an office suite was dropped (I think it was Applixware), but I > haven't heard any success stories. > > | who s using ADA anyways??? > > Check http://www.adapower.com > > -- > Preben Randhol -- [randhol@pvv.org] -- [http://www.pvv.org/~randhol/] > "Det eneste trygge stedet i verden er inne i en fortelling." > -- Athol Fugard ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: ADA 95 - can anyone recommend any training courses 2000-02-04 0:00 ` HollymaN @ 2000-02-04 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris 2000-02-05 0:00 ` Marin D. Condic 2000-02-07 0:00 ` Georg Bauhaus 2000-02-05 0:00 ` James S. Rogers 2000-02-06 0:00 ` Kev Mepham 2 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Samuel T. Harris @ 2000-02-04 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) HollymaN wrote: > > Come on ,Come on man, you can't ignore java nowdays it's the next big > thing,if you are so sure that ada is one hell of a language just answer this > :why java developpment is growing that and ada vanishing in the other > way.just look at the amzing number of java tools compared with ada ones.Java > is like real combat and ada like pro wrestling (it doesn't work in relal > life (for finding a job (yeah yeah i know there's 3 or may 6 ada jobs > outhere))).i know about rational tools.but the support sucks (there's not > enough market for a decent support) they re giving object ada for free. > > be realistic(unless you work on a company developping somme kind of ada > tools to sell) > I work on the space station training simulator along with about 300 other engineers. This is a real system, or at least a simulated real system, or is that a simulation of a real system. Anyway, my project may be prowrestling to you, but the real deal is just up the street at Boeing and NASA where the real space station is also being done in Ada. NASA recognizes that the simulation used for training is just as important as the real software in the station. So I guess we are "real combat" after all! All I read about Java are toys and demos. Small fry systems in an ocean of sharks and whales. You can't get more real than software running systems and hardware in the life-threatening, vacumn waiting to kill ya, radiation waiting to kill ya, space debris waiting to kill ya, if something goes wrong we're probably dead meat reality of manned space operations! Its almost as real simulating it, at least as far as level of effort and degree of detail. I wrote Ada for the Air Force as well as the commerical world before coming here along with Fortran and C. I'd rather be working on something important like I am now than some commercial sugar-coated donut hole kind of confection software. Those that know do the really important stuff in Ada. If you want to work on this kind of stuff, other posts in this thread point you to job hunting resources. If not, then more power to you on your road to Java. Be well! -- Samuel T. Harris, Principal Engineer Raytheon, Aerospace Engineering Services "If you can make it, We can fake it!" ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: ADA 95 - can anyone recommend any training courses 2000-02-04 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris @ 2000-02-05 0:00 ` Marin D. Condic 2000-02-07 0:00 ` Ted Dennison 2000-02-07 0:00 ` Georg Bauhaus 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Marin D. Condic @ 2000-02-05 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Samuel T. Harris wrote: > You can't get more real than software running systems and hardware > in the life-threatening, vacumn waiting to kill ya, radiation > waiting to kill ya, space debris waiting to kill ya, if something > goes wrong we're probably dead meat reality of manned space operations! > Its almost as real simulating it, at least as far as level of > effort and degree of detail. > I couldn't agree more. If you want to play with foofoo applets that animate something on a web page, then go take your Java toys out of here and have fun with it. If you want to be involved in software that has *real* consequences in the *real* world, you'll find that this is typically done in Ada. Learn it and you can become qualified to "run with the big dogs"! > important stuff in Ada. If you want to work on this kind > of stuff, other posts in this thread point you to job > hunting resources. If not, then more power to you on your > road to Java. Be well! > We see these sorts of posts here all too often. "I'm a student and they taught me Ada and they should have taught me XYZ.....blah...blah...blah..." What I want to know is why someone who feels Ada is useless wants to spend their time lurking around C.L.A. saying so. IMHO, If you don't like Ada and think you learned nothing valuable by studying Ada and aren't being deluged by job offers in Ada, then go cruise around some other newsgroup because clearly there is nothing here that matters to you. I guess it is sometimes hard for some people to resist the temptation to whine about things instead of finding something constructive and positive to do with their experiences. MDC -- ============================================================= Marin David Condic - Quadrus Corporation - 1.800.555.3393 1015-116 Atlantic Boulevard, Atlantic Beach, FL 32233 http://www.quadruscorp.com/ m c o n d i c @ q u a d r u s c o r p . c o m Visit my web site at: http://www.mcondic.com/ "Capitalism without failure is like religion without sin." -- Allan Meltzer, Economist ============================================================= ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: ADA 95 - can anyone recommend any training courses 2000-02-05 0:00 ` Marin D. Condic @ 2000-02-07 0:00 ` Ted Dennison 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Ted Dennison @ 2000-02-07 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <389C76A7.483A2B43@quadruscorp.com>, "Marin D. Condic" <mcondic-nospam@quadruscorp.com> wrote: > We see these sorts of posts here all too often. "I'm a student and > they taught me Ada and they should have taught me > XYZ.....blah...blah...blah..." What I want to know is why someone who With that attitude towards learning new things, it not tough to see why such a person would get laid off. I was taught Fortran, PDP-11 Assembly, Pascal, C, Lisp, and APL when I was an undergraduate. I can't say I have ever gotten a job officially due to my knowledge in any of these. But am I upset that I learned them? Heavens no! A language isn't just a set of keywords; it a way of looking at the world. The important thing was that I was exposed to the concepts contained in multiple programming languages, and that I know how to learn new ones if need be. The goal is to teach you how to learn for yourself, not to teach you how to use language X which you will be able to use unwaveringly for the entire duration of your 40-year carreer. Realisticly, is anyone going to fire someone because they know Ada? I don't think so. Is someone going to get laid off for not knowing the language that all the company's work is being done in? That's quite possible. Is it your university's fault that you didn't bother to learn that language? I don't think so. Finally I'd like to mention that I've noticed over the 11 years of my career that for a competent professional being laid off is quite often a blessing in (a rather effective) disguise. -- T.E.D. http://www.telepath.com/~dennison/Ted/TED.html Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: ADA 95 - can anyone recommend any training courses 2000-02-04 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris 2000-02-05 0:00 ` Marin D. Condic @ 2000-02-07 0:00 ` Georg Bauhaus 1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Georg Bauhaus @ 2000-02-07 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Samuel T. Harris (samuel_t_harris@Raytheon.com) wrote: : HollymaN wrote: : > : I wrote Ada for the Air Force as well as the commerical world : before coming here along with Fortran and C. I'd rather be working : on something important like I am now than some commercial sugar-coated : donut hole kind of confection software. Those that know do the really : important stuff in Ada. Another opportunity to point out that "not so important" programs for the JVM need not be written in JaVa. Missed. One of my a bit more open-minded bosses wanted to know, how this "use Ada for JVM programs" technique should work. He seemed to be interested. Georg Bauhaus ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: ADA 95 - can anyone recommend any training courses 2000-02-04 0:00 ` HollymaN 2000-02-04 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris @ 2000-02-05 0:00 ` James S. Rogers 2000-02-07 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle 2000-02-06 0:00 ` Kev Mepham 2 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: James S. Rogers @ 2000-02-05 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) HollymaN wrote in message ... >Come on ,Come on man, you can't ignore java nowdays it's the next big >thing,if you are so sure that ada is one hell of a language just answer this >:why java developpment is growing that and ada vanishing in the other >way.just look at the amzing number of java tools compared with ada ones.Java >is like real combat and ada like pro wrestling (it doesn't work in relal >life (for finding a job (yeah yeah i know there's 3 or may 6 ada jobs >outhere))).i know about rational tools.but the support sucks (there's not >enough market for a decent support) they re giving object ada for free. > >be realistic(unless you work on a company developping somme kind of ada >tools to sell) All I can say is that I am glad that such an ignorant and immature developer is not on my team developing robotic control systems with Ada (a job that Java cannot currently support). Why do you think there are jobs for the Ada tools developers? Gee, I guess somebody must be buying them! I wonder how that could be if nobody wants them! DUH. Jim Rogers Colorado Springs, Colorado ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: ADA 95 - can anyone recommend any training courses 2000-02-05 0:00 ` James S. Rogers @ 2000-02-07 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle 2000-02-07 0:00 ` Pat Rogers 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Richard D Riehle @ 2000-02-07 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) >HollymaN wrote in message ... >>Come on ,Come on man, you can't ignore java nowdays [snipped a few lines of trench warfare harangue] >>is like real combat and ada like pro wrestling (it doesn't work in relal I am always surprised when people transmogrify discussion of language selection into a contact sport. Such outbursts are reminiscent of what passes for political dialogue in the great state of Texas. :-) Richard Riehle richard@adaworks.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: ADA 95 - can anyone recommend any training courses 2000-02-07 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle @ 2000-02-07 0:00 ` Pat Rogers 2000-02-08 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Pat Rogers @ 2000-02-07 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) "Richard D Riehle" <laoXhai@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:87n9im$jcn$1@nntp1.atl.mindspring.net... <snip> > I am always surprised when people transmogrify discussion of language > selection into a contact sport. Such outbursts are reminiscent of > what passes for political dialogue in the great state of Texas. :-) As we say in Texas, "Them's fightin' words, Suh!" (as if to prove your statement true). :-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: ADA 95 - can anyone recommend any training courses 2000-02-07 0:00 ` Pat Rogers @ 2000-02-08 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Richard D Riehle @ 2000-02-08 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <s9uhj6n0hse58@corp.supernews.com>, "Pat Rogers" <progers@NOclasswideSPAM.com> wrote: >"Richard D Riehle" <laoXhai@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message >news:87n9im$jcn$1@nntp1.atl.mindspring.net... ><snip> >> I am always surprised when people transmogrify discussion of language >> selection into a contact sport. Such outbursts are reminiscent of >> what passes for political dialogue in the great state of Texas. :-) > >As we say in Texas, "Them's fightin' words, Suh!" (as if to prove your >statement true). :-) > It was no less an authority on Texas politics than Lloyd Benson who characterized Texas political debate as a "contact sport." Richard ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: ADA 95 - can anyone recommend any training courses 2000-02-04 0:00 ` HollymaN 2000-02-04 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris 2000-02-05 0:00 ` James S. Rogers @ 2000-02-06 0:00 ` Kev Mepham 2 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Kev Mepham @ 2000-02-06 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) You may be interested to know that Ada (originally intended for use by the US DoD) is used as the standard programming language for a fair proportion of the flight control systems in modern military aircraft. It is still difficult to beat for safety critical real-time systems. HollymaN <hollyman@usa.net> wrote in message news:ofGm4.1965$Rm.35837@news20.bellglobal.com... > Come on ,Come on man, you can't ignore java nowdays it's the next big > thing,if you are so sure that ada is one hell of a language just answer this > :why java developpment is growing that and ada vanishing in the other > way.just look at the amzing number of java tools compared with ada ones.Java > is like real combat and ada like pro wrestling (it doesn't work in relal > life (for finding a job (yeah yeah i know there's 3 or may 6 ada jobs > outhere))).i know about rational tools.but the support sucks (there's not > enough market for a decent support) they re giving object ada for free. > > be realistic(unless you work on a company developping somme kind of ada > tools to sell) > > Preben Randhol <randhol@pvv.org> wrote in message > news:m3d7qd9pa6.fsf@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no... > > "HollymaN" <hollyman@usa.net> writes: > > > > | ADA???what for?? > > | anyone who s learning this language is considered as a looser including > > | myself :)) > > > > I don't know what people think of you otherwise, but I think that they > would > > have a hard time justifying that you are a looser for learning Ada. > > > > Those people that think I should learn Java, I always asks why, and the > > arguments are usually taken from hyped info about the language and not > > from real facts. Btw. have anybody heard of a big Java project? I > > heard that an office suite was dropped (I think it was Applixware), but I > > haven't heard any success stories. > > > > | who s using ADA anyways??? > > > > Check http://www.adapower.com > > > > -- > > Preben Randhol -- [randhol@pvv.org] -- [http://www.pvv.org/~randhol/] > > "Det eneste trygge stedet i verden er inne i en fortelling." > > -- Athol Fugard > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
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