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From: Ludovic Brenta <ludovic@ludovic-brenta.org>
Subject: Re: Why no socket package in the standard ?
Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 17:56:51 +0200
Date: 2011-05-26T17:56:51+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mxi98ngc.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4dde655a$0$7626$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net

Georg Bauhaus writes on comp.lang.ada:
> On 26.05.11 14:42, Ludovic Brenta wrote:
>> Maciej Sobczak wrote on comp.lang.ada:
>>> On 25 Maj, 18:36, Ludovic Brenta <ludo...@ludovic-brenta.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Make was invented to overcome the deficiencies of C, notably the lack
>>>> of modular programming and dependency management.
>>>
>>> Umm, no.
>>> Make is a general-purpose project management system that can be used
>>> to manage any file-system related build activity. Compiling C programs
>>> is one of the most trivial and boring things that make can be used
>>> for.
>> 
>> I know (I've used make myself for such purposes) but that does not
>> change anything to what I wrote.
>> 
>> C was designed as a systems programming language, by and for kernel
>> hackers, and was used as a general-purpose language.  Similarly, make
>> started as a hack to overcome the deficiencies of C and was then
>> extended for other, more general uses.
>
> How does the make program helps with adding modules to C and its file
> scope?

It helps a little bit by deciding which source files are out of date WRT
their header files and corresponding object files, then deciding in
which order to call the compiler and linker.  This however requires a
lot of labor to teach Make about the dependencies, and is of course a
partial solution only.  Just as C was a partial solution to the problem
of programming as a human activity :)

-- 
Ludovic Brenta.



  reply	other threads:[~2011-05-26 15:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-24  1:22 Why no socket package in the standard ? Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24  1:39 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24  6:11   ` tmoran
2011-05-24 17:23     ` Pascal Obry
2011-05-24 19:10     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-25 15:12     ` Tero Koskinen
2011-05-25 18:43       ` Tero Koskinen
2011-05-25 19:08         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24  6:24 ` georg bauhaus
2011-05-24  7:07   ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-05-24  7:19     ` Thomas Løcke
2011-05-24  7:35       ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-24 10:00       ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-24 12:53         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-24 14:28           ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-24 14:59             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-24 16:07               ` Adam Beneschan
2011-05-24 19:21                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-25  0:53                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-25  0:21                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-25 11:25                   ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-05-24 16:10               ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-24 19:36                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-25  0:57               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 23:20             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-25  0:32               ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-25  0:49                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-25  7:55                 ` Pascal Obry
2011-05-25  8:38                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-25  8:05                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-25  7:52               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-24 19:38         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 19:54           ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-24 20:10             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 21:57               ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-24 22:35                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 23:34                   ` Adam Beneschan
2011-05-24 23:40                     ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-24 23:50                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 23:35                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-25  3:07                     ` Shark8
2011-05-25  4:01                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-25  7:39                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-25  7:42                         ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-25 10:46                           ` Manuel Collado
2011-05-25 10:44                         ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-05-25 15:28                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-25 16:36                             ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-25 16:46                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-26 12:10                               ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-05-26 12:42                                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-26 14:36                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-26 15:56                                     ` Ludovic Brenta [this message]
2011-05-26 18:20                                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-05-26 18:29                                     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-26 20:46                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-26 21:02                                         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-26 21:44                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-26 21:59                                         ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-27  7:54                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-27 13:12                                           ` Simon Wright
2011-05-27 15:43                                             ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-26 18:31                                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2011-05-26 19:05                                       ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-26 19:14                                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-26 19:44                                         ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-27  2:02                                       ` anon
2011-05-27 11:44                                     ` Stephen Leake
2011-05-26 14:50                               ` Adam Beneschan
2011-05-26 15:57                                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-27 11:46                                   ` Stephen Leake
2011-05-27 12:21                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-27 12:49                                       ` Make, Automake, Configure, Autocong, GPRbuild etc (was: Why no socket package in the standard ?) Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-27 13:10                                         ` Make, Automake, Configure, Autocong, GPRbuild etc Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-27 15:45                                           ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-25  7:40                       ` Why no socket package in the standard ? Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-25 10:48                         ` Pascal Obry
2011-05-25  7:49                       ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-25  2:47             ` Shark8
2011-05-25  9:12             ` Thomas Løcke
2011-05-24 21:42           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 23:09           ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-24 23:25             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-25  9:06             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-24 23:11           ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-24 23:28             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 23:57               ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-25  0:36                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24  7:25     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-24 21:22       ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-05-25  9:14         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-25 11:54           ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-05-25 12:26             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-24 22:04       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-25  9:19         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-24 19:17   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 19:30     ` J-P. Rosen
2011-05-24 19:49       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 22:39     ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-24 22:54       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 23:54         ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-25  0:34           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-25  1:20             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 12:38 ` AdaMagica
2011-05-24 15:00   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 18:29 ` anon
2011-05-24 19:08   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-06-02  2:41 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-06-02 13:55   ` Florian Weimer
2011-06-02 20:38     ` anon
2011-06-02 20:44       ` Florian Weimer
2011-06-02 21:18       ` J-P. Rosen
2011-06-04 21:35         ` anon
2011-06-05  8:39           ` J-P. Rosen
2011-06-07  1:50             ` anon
2011-06-02 21:34     ` Randy Brukardt
2011-06-05 11:06       ` Florian Weimer
2011-06-05 13:45         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-06-05 14:51           ` Florian Weimer
2011-06-05 15:30             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-06-07  2:49             ` Randy Brukardt
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