Any missing e-mail, social groups, etc?

Any missing e-mail, social groups, etc?

[David Botton]

I believe I have on GetAdaNow.com all the active user groups, social, usenet and e-mail lists. If anyone knows of any active lists/groups missing please let me know.

In the next two weeks or so i should have a way for people to register and manage their own listings for individual pages, projects, etc.

David Boton

Re: Any missing e-mail, social groups, etc?

[Jeffrey Carter]

On 11/25/2014 05:34 PM, David Botton wrote:
> I believe I have on GetAdaNow.com all the active user groups, social, usenet
> and e-mail lists. If anyone knows of any active lists/groups missing please
> let me know.

Team Ada has an active mailing list.

-- 
Jeff Carter
"I was in love with a beautiful blonde once, dear.
She drove me to drink. That's the one thing I'm
indebted to her for."
Never Give a Sucker an Even Break
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Re: Any missing e-mail, social groups, etc?

[David Botton]

> Team Ada has an active mailing list.

Added.

Re: Any missing e-mail, social groups, etc?

[Jeffrey Carter]

On 11/25/2014 06:28 PM, David Botton wrote:
>> Team Ada has an active mailing list.
> 
> Added.

Thanks. You might want to spell "advocacy" correctly.

-- 
Jeff Carter
"I was in love with a beautiful blonde once, dear.
She drove me to drink. That's the one thing I'm
indebted to her for."
Never Give a Sucker an Even Break
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Re: Any missing e-mail, social groups, etc?

[David Botton]

> Thanks. You might want to spell "advocacy" correctly.

Fixed

Re: Any missing e-mail, social groups, etc?

[J-P. Rosen]

Le 26/11/2014 01:34, David Botton a écrit :
> I believe I have on GetAdaNow.com all the active user groups, social,
> usenet and e-mail lists. If anyone knows of any active lists/groups
> missing please let me know.

If you are interested in referencing lists in other languages, you also
have fr.comp.lang.ada (newsgroup) and ada-france@ada-france.org (mailing
list) in French.

-- 
J-P. Rosen
Adalog
2 rue du Docteur Lombard, 92441 Issy-les-Moulineaux CEDEX
Tel: +33 1 45 29 21 52, Fax: +33 1 45 29 25 00
http://www.adalog.fr

Re: Any missing e-mail, social groups, etc?

[David Botton]

> If you are interested in referencing lists in other languages, you also
> have fr.comp.lang.ada (newsgroup) and ada-france@ada-france.org (mailing
> list) in French.

I very much do want to add for other languages, the more the better.

This link to the list is dead (I got from the ada-france.org site):
http://www.ada-france.org/mailman/listinfo/ada-france

Is there an updated URL? Is the list still working?

It is important to me that all the links, etc. are working.

David Botton

Re: Any missing e-mail, social groups, etc?

[David Botton]

As far as I can tell the ada-france list has been dead  around a year:

http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.ada.france

Although I did add the usenet group fr.comp.lang.ada that seems to be functioning.

In fact all my searching has shown there are no "living" ada lists in any of the Ada Europe user groups other than a controlled announcement list.

It seems really strange that there are no european discussions groups.

David Botton

Re: Any missing e-mail, social groups, etc?

[J-P. Rosen]

Le 26/11/2014 16:21, David Botton a écrit :
> As far as I can tell the ada-france list has been dead  around a year:
> 
> http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.ada.france
> 
> Although I did add the usenet group fr.comp.lang.ada that seems to be functioning.
> 
> In fact all my searching has shown there are no "living" ada lists in any of the Ada Europe user groups other than a controlled announcement list.
> 
> It seems really strange that there are no european discussions groups.
> 
I don't know what happens to gmane. There have been 5 posts on fr.c.l.a
in november.

Not very active (admitedly), but far from dead...

-- 
J-P. Rosen
Adalog
2 rue du Docteur Lombard, 92441 Issy-les-Moulineaux CEDEX
Tel: +33 1 45 29 21 52, Fax: +33 1 45 29 25 00
http://www.adalog.fr

Re: Any missing e-mail, social groups, etc?

[Ludovic Brenta]

David Botton <david@botton.com> writes:
> It seems really strange that there are no european discussions groups.

It would seem really strange to me that people would invent the Internet
to break barriers and then confine themselves to geographically-limited
discussion groups, unless absolutely necessary :)

--
Ludovic Brenta.

Re: Any missing e-mail, social groups, etc?

[David Botton]

> It would seem really strange to me that people would invent the Internet
> to break barriers and then confine themselves to geographically-limited
> discussion groups, unless absolutely necessary :)

True.

David Botton

Re: Any missing e-mail, social groups, etc?

[J-P. Rosen]

Le 26/11/2014 22:05, Ludovic Brenta a écrit :
> It would seem really strange to me that people would invent the Internet
> to break barriers and then confine themselves to geographically-limited
> discussion groups, unless absolutely necessary :)
Well, if you consider how well (hmm) frenchies speak english, it makes
sense to have groups not geographically, but speakally limited...

-- 
J-P. Rosen
Adalog
2 rue du Docteur Lombard, 92441 Issy-les-Moulineaux CEDEX
Tel: +33 1 45 29 21 52, Fax: +33 1 45 29 25 00
http://www.adalog.fr

Re: Any missing e-mail, social groups, etc?

[Jacob Sparre Andersen]

David Botton wrote:

> It seems really strange that there are no european discussions groups.

Ada Denmark manages with an IRC channel (#Ada-DK on Freenode), e-mails
and occasional physical meetings.

Greetings,

Jacob
-- 
Infinite loop: n., see loop, infinite.
Loop, infinite: n., see infinite loop.

Re: Any missing e-mail, social groups, etc?

[Mark Carroll]

Jacob Sparre Andersen <jacob@jacob-sparre.dk> writes:

> David Botton wrote:
>
>> It seems really strange that there are no european discussions groups.
>
> Ada Denmark manages with an IRC channel (#Ada-DK on Freenode), e-mails
> and occasional physical meetings.

What kinds of things are what kinds of Danish users doing with Ada? I
don't have much of a picture of it outside American Federal projects.

-- Mark

Re: Any missing e-mail, social groups, etc?

[Jacob Sparre Andersen]

Mark Carroll wrote:

> What kinds of things are what kinds of Danish users doing with Ada?

Equipment for the International Space Station, computer games, data
analysis, computational linguistics, ...

Greetings,

Jacob
-- 
Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

Re: Any missing e-mail, social groups, etc?

[Björn Lundin]

On 2014-11-27 15:03, Jacob Sparre Andersen wrote:
> Mark Carroll wrote:
> 
>> What kinds of things are what kinds of Danish users doing with Ada?
> 
> Equipment for the International Space Station, computer games, data
> analysis, computational linguistics, ...
> 

Also Warehouse Management Systems, and Warehouse Control Systems.

Actually, three major danish retail companies uses a
 Warehouse Management System written in Ada.

For the danes reading this
* Netto
* SuperGros
* Coop
The customer names are seen in the video-links or the links below


<http://www.consafelogistics.com/our-offer/warehousing/sattstore-wms>

One is extremely automated, one is not automated at all, just very many
forklifts, and voice-based pick, and one is in-between, much automation
and many voice-pickers and fork-lifts as well.

The automated one has 40 high-bay stacker cranes, 15 robots for layer
picking, 5-to-come mini-loads cranes (I'm working right now with it,
helping out the danish office) and ca 20 STV:s - kind of an automated
truck on a mono-rail running in an oval track.

The layer picking robots from the vendors (Dematic) perspective,
they kind to fail to mention they are a small part of the store...
But they get orders, stock-data, etc from Ada...

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJaqtZnL2Co>


The rest from the main hardware vendor (Daifuku)
cranes/stvs etc

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE5yqCXbHJE>

It has be expanded since the film was made.

This vendor also fails to mention the brain of the system, the WMS.

Which is in Ada.
And David Bottom, if you read this, your gnatcom is used in
communicating with the conveyor plcs.
System is on AIX but I wrote a bridge between OPC and our system, also
all Ada - a windows service coupled with opcda.dll via gnatcom.


The half-automated one is described in danish here
<http://www.consafelogistics.dk/in-practice/articles/supergros>


and the not automated here
<http://www.consafelogistics.dk/in-practice/news/pickbyvoice>
it is mentioned that they have 550 voice-pick units in 4 sites
used by 1200 workers (yes shift)

The WMS does not control the machines, but it administrates them,
selects locations in the highbay, tells the STV/Crane/Conveyor/Belt
when to pickup and where to deliver etc. It also speaks with the ERP of
course, to get orders/stock data ..., and report back.
SAP is common around here.

--
Björn

Re: Any missing e-mail, social groups, etc?

[David Botton]

> And David Bottom, if you read this, your gnatcom is used in
> communicating with the conveyor plcs.
> System is on AIX but I wrote a bridge between OPC and our system, also
> all Ada - a windows service coupled with opcda.dll via gnatcom.

Is always neat to find out where your code is being used :)

David Botton

Re: Any missing e-mail, social groups, etc?

[Dmitry A. Kazakov]

On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 16:55:27 +0100, Björn Lundin wrote:

> ... but I wrote a bridge between OPC and our system, also
> all Ada - a windows service coupled with opcda.dll via gnatcom.

Great. Which one OPC was it?

I gather you did an OPC client. Do you plan to publish a reusable version
for Ada community?

[ I used once a Softing's OPC client, it was a horrible MFC mess. A new OPC
UA (TCP/IP-based) is even bigger mess. ]

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de

Re: Any missing e-mail, social groups, etc?

[Björn Lundin]

On 2014-11-30 11:13, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 16:55:27 +0100, Björn Lundin wrote:
> 
>> ... but I wrote a bridge between OPC and our system, also
>> all Ada - a windows service coupled with opcda.dll via gnatcom.
> 
> Great. Which one OPC was it?


It was developed using Matrikon's OPC simulation
But at Netto, Siemens is used (I think it's called
OPCS RSLinx OPC Server)

And at another site - a papermill - we used Allan Bradley.
That one is though replaced by proprietary socket protocol,
because of less complexity.

It is also tested with ABB's opc-server, 10 years ago.

> I gather you did an OPC client. 

Yes, as a socket-server windows service.
I listens for incoming subscription requests,
keeps the sender in a list, and when a signal changes,
the subscriber is notified via a simple but proprietary text-based
protocol, that I wrote.
Of course, the subscriber may write values to the ops-server to.


client 1 <- sockets -> win-service <--> opc-da <--> opc-server <---> plc
                     |
client 2 <- sockets -|
..                   |
                     |
client n <- sockets -|


There are 2 socket connections for each client.
1 - for control, sending sbuscriptions, write commands etc
2 - for receiving new values from plc



>Do you plan to publish a reusable version
> for Ada community?

This was in 2003. I used Ted Dennison's Windows service package (for
SETI), AWS 1.2, AdaSockets 0.16 and of course code of my own.
But to release it, I need a go from my manager.
And looking at it, it will need some freshing up.

However, if there is interest, I can write/publish a simpler
client, still using the same technique,
but skip the part with publish/subscribe/sockets/win-service

client 1 <--> opc-da <--> opc-server <---> plc


AWS is used only as a debug tool, Ie you can browse to see
which the subscribers are, and what they subscribed to.

Netto has about 1600 signals, so the services in cloned int 6 instances
managing about 250 signals each.


> [ I used once a Softing's OPC client, it was a horrible MFC mess. A new OPC
> UA (TCP/IP-based) is even bigger mess. ]
> 

And so is OPC. And the opc-server usually polls the plc.
so it is slower that direct socket.


--
Björn

Re: Any missing e-mail, social groups, etc?

[David Botton]

> Ada Denmark manages with an IRC channel (#Ada-DK on Freenode)

Added

Re: Any missing e-mail, social groups, etc?

[Jacob Sparre Andersen]

David Botton wrote:

> It seems really strange that there are no european discussions groups.

Are there any American ones?  ;-)

Greetings,

Jacob
-- 
Who guards the guardians?

Re: Any missing e-mail, social groups, etc?

[David Botton]

> Are there any American ones?  ;-)

Well as pointed out, a bit silly my statement, since everything very international. I was trying to imply discussions in other languages or regional groups.

David Botton

Re: Any missing e-mail, social groups, etc?

[Jacob Sparre Andersen]

David Botton <david@botton.com> writes:

>> Are there any American ones?  ;-)
>
> Well as pointed out, a bit silly my statement, since everything very
> international. I was trying to imply discussions in other languages or
> regional groups.

Now that I think about it, there is a Russian language Ada newsgroup.  I
don't read it myself, since I never got around to learn Russian, but
maybe I should see if Google Translate can make sense of it.

Greetings,

Jacob
-- 
"constructive ambiguity"

Re: Any missing e-mail, social groups, etc?

[J-P. Rosen]

Le 26/11/2014 16:00, David Botton a écrit :
> 
>> If you are interested in referencing lists in other languages, you also
>> have fr.comp.lang.ada (newsgroup) and ada-france@ada-france.org (mailing
>> list) in French.
> 
> I very much do want to add for other languages, the more the better.
> 
> This link to the list is dead (I got from the ada-france.org site):
> http://www.ada-france.org/mailman/listinfo/ada-france
> 
> Is there an updated URL? Is the list still working?
> 
> It is important to me that all the links, etc. are working.
> 
The two I provided should be OK. Where did you get the dead link from
(within Ada-France site)?

True enough, our site is in a state of flux, managed by volunteers, so
I'm not surprised that there are some dead links (although you are of
course welcome to spot them).

-- 
J-P. Rosen
Adalog
2 rue du Docteur Lombard, 92441 Issy-les-Moulineaux CEDEX
Tel: +33 1 45 29 21 52, Fax: +33 1 45 29 25 00
http://www.adalog.fr

Re: Any missing e-mail, social groups, etc?

[David Botton]

> The two I provided should be OK. Where did you get the dead link from
> (within Ada-France site)?

Yes and off of old e-mail messages from the gmane.

Can you point me to the URL for signing up for the list?


Thanks
David Botton

Re: Any missing e-mail, social groups, etc?

[Randy Brukardt]

"David Botton" <david@botton.com> wrote in message 
news:f9a7fddf-20dd-433c-b769-1f2bfc88ab4b@googlegroups.com...
...
> This link to the list is dead ...

So far as I know, all of the links on AdaIC are working. If you (or anyone) 
finds one that doesn't work, please drop us a line at webmaster@adaic.com so 
we can fix it or remove it.

                      Randy Brukardt, AdaIC webmaster.

Re: Any missing e-mail, social groups, etc?

[Tero Koskinen]

Hi,

26.11.2014 2:34, David Botton wrote:
> I believe I have on GetAdaNow.com all the active user groups, social, usenet and e-mail lists. If anyone knows of any active lists/groups missing please let me know.
> 
> In the next two weeks or so i should have a way for people to register and manage their own listings for individual pages, projects, etc.
> 
> David Boton
> 

Ohloh.net^WOpenHUB.net provides ability to browse projects
with tag 'Ada':
https://www.openhub.net/tags/ada

Yours,
 Tero

Re: Any missing e-mail, social groups, etc?

[David Botton]

> https://www.openhub.net/tags/ada

neeto, that's great added.

David Botton