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From: Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>
Subject: Re: Modern languages are case sensitive?
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:18:10 +0200
Date: 2001-10-16T17:18:10+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87g08jobpp.fsf@deneb.enyo.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 5ee5b646.0110160342.23b9481c@posting.google.com

dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) writes:

> a) the following program is quite awful, and should
>    obviously not be permitted in any language:
>
>      Main : integer;
>      main : integer;
>      ...

In C#, you can have

        int main;
        int main;
        int int;
        intother;

Of course, this is only the visual presentation. ;-) The actual
representation uses alternative representations of ASCII characters
(LATIN SMALL LETTER DOTLESS I followed by COMBINING DOT ABOVE) and a
ZERO WIDTH SPACE.

Clearly, Unicode is not suitable for identifiers.  There are five
different ways to represent a symbol which looks like a capital H!

> By the way, if I was writing a C compiler, I would include
> a warning if two identifiers differed only in case, so that
> the same desirable semantics is achieved.

Some case-sensitive OO languages (for example, Python) have quite a
useful idiom: capitalized identifiers refer to classes, all-lowercase
ones to temporary objects of the corresponding class.

> And I can't help but get a chuckle out of someone thinking
> of Unix as a "modern operating system". Indeed if you
> do look at modern operating systems (e.g. Windows XP, or
> OS/2), they are case insensitive.

AFAIK NTFS *is* case sensitive.  It's the Win32 subsystem which
presents a case-insensitive view of the file system.  Using other
subsystems, you can create names which only differ in case.

(Consumer versions of Windows were not even case-preserving, which I
consider a bug.)



  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-10-16 15:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-15  8:21 Why not combine Ada and C++? Mike Meng
2001-10-15 10:29 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-15 10:36 ` Robert*
2001-10-15 11:15 ` Stephen Cole
2001-10-15 12:06   ` The caselessness is one of the things I like best! Petter Fryklund
2001-10-15 12:21     ` Gerhard Häring
2001-10-15 12:48       ` UPPERCASE is the typgraphical equivalent of shouting ;-) Petter Fryklund
2001-10-15 12:54       ` The caselessness is one of the things I like best! James Rogers
2001-10-15 13:11       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-15 15:12         ` Arthur Evans Jr
2001-10-15 16:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-18 19:48             ` Simon Wright
2001-10-18 23:35               ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-16  8:48           ` John English
2001-10-16 13:11             ` James Rogers
2001-10-16 18:10               ` tmoran
2001-10-17  8:53                 ` Philip Anderson
2001-10-17 10:57                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-19 14:52               ` john mann
2001-10-15 15:13       ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-15 17:00       ` tmoran
2001-10-15 17:29         ` Gerhard Häring
2001-10-15 17:38           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-15 18:01             ` Gerhard Häring
2001-10-15 19:04               ` David Starner
2001-10-15 18:15           ` David Starner
2001-10-15 17:35         ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-15 18:18           ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-15 18:57             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-15 22:46           ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-16 13:32             ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-22  2:10             ` David Thompson
2001-10-15 13:03     ` Alfred Hilscher
2001-10-22 20:27     ` Kenneth Almquist
2001-10-15 14:39   ` Why not combine Ada and C++? Marin David Condic
2001-10-15 16:17     ` Alfred Hilscher
2001-10-15 16:35       ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-15 20:15         ` Robert*
2001-10-15 21:27           ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-15 22:50           ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-18 19:53             ` Simon Wright
2001-10-21  5:54               ` AG
2001-10-24 14:48     ` A UNISYS story Petter Fryklund
2001-10-24 15:03       ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-25  7:37         ` Petter Fryklund
2001-10-15 17:41   ` Why not combine Ada and C++? Stephen Cole
2001-10-15 18:27     ` tmoran
2001-10-15 20:24       ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-15 20:03     ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-15 18:42   ` Modern languages are case sensitive? Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-15 19:20     ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-15 22:54       ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-16 11:21         ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-10-16 11:42     ` Robert Dewar
2001-10-16 13:16       ` Dale Stanbrough
2001-10-16 23:43         ` David Botton
2001-10-17  1:42           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-16 14:36       ` Arthur Evans Jr
2001-10-16 14:50       ` Chris Morgan
2001-10-16 15:18       ` Florian Weimer [this message]
2001-10-16 15:47         ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-16 16:48           ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-16 17:12         ` David Starner
2001-10-16 20:32           ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-16 21:37             ` David Starner
2001-10-17  8:39               ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-18  0:00     ` Will
2001-10-18  2:12       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-18  2:32         ` Darren New
2001-10-18 11:32           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-15 19:47   ` Why not combine Ada and C++? Wes Groleau
2001-10-23  5:39     ` Hyman Rosen
2001-10-23  6:11       ` Richard Riehle
2001-10-15 19:28 ` Baugereau
2001-10-15 20:05   ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16  7:38     ` Martin Dowie
2001-10-16 11:44       ` Pascal Obry
     [not found] ` <01c155a0$7dd31b80$1b7af2c3@akzvbymr>
2001-10-15 20:02   ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-15 20:55   ` Adrian Knoth
2001-10-15 22:15   ` Eric Merritt
2001-10-15 22:42   ` tmoran
     [not found]     ` <01c15665$dc2e6c00$9b29e8d4@akzvbymr>
2001-10-16 17:48       ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16 18:04       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-16 23:01         ` tmoran
2001-10-16 18:51       ` Marin David Condic
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