From: Ludovic Brenta <ludovic@ludovic-brenta.org>
Subject: Re: Advice on selling Ada to a C shop
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 20:06:10 +0200
Date: 2010-06-20T20:06:10+02:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87aaqpmve5.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: c7a4a4e39c82cef50d37a6df3858941f@msgid.frell.theremailer.net
Fritz Wuehler writes:
>> People with a prejudice against Ada will try to find any excuse to
>> justify their rejection. I think the main excuse they will try is "we
>> cannot find Ada programmers". To remove this excuse, it is of paramount
>> importance that you show that (a) you know Ada and have experience with
>> it, so you can be the "in-house expert" and (b) there is a wide offering
>> of books, training courses, compilers, libraries and commercial support
>> for the language.
>
> If so, then the game is already over. There were days when the best tool
> won, if after a little competition. Unfortunately now we are in the days of
> software ruled by idiot bean counters and MBAs, and worse, the stock
> market.
>
> There is no such thing as vision that goes past the end of this quarter.
>
> You can't sell a product, or a technology, or an employee who will save you
> millions or hundreds of millions of dollars in the long run even if that
> return on investments starts within a year or two. But you can sell a
> cheaper anything this quarter.
>
> The industry and academia killed Ada in commercial programming before it
> ever got a chance. And now it's too late for anything that requires
> changing a mindset or paying top dollar for a toolchain (look at GHS
> prices!) or a high wage for Ada programmers, when Java and C++ jockeys are a
> commodity labor item.
>
> Unless you can come up with a programming platform/language/system that
> costs you less right now, in people, in hardware, in software, you have the
> snowball's chance in Hell of making it happen. Good doesn't matter, cheap
> wins every time.
I'm not so pessimistic, at least I will not give in without a fight :)
If you already know Ada, then to the evil bean counters, the training
costs zero; you can offer to give introductory training to a couple of
your colleagues yourself, reducing the immediate cost of training. If
you explain that your use of Ada saves you 20% of the development cost
*this quarter* and 50% the next quarter, you can win.
--
Ludovic Brenta.
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2010-06-19 23:01 Advice on selling Ada to a C shop usenet
2010-06-20 6:17 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-06-20 6:24 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-06-21 14:07 ` Warren
2010-06-20 7:00 ` J-P. Rosen
2010-06-20 7:40 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-06-20 12:46 ` Peter C. Chapin
2010-06-21 14:23 ` Warren
2010-06-25 17:34 ` Marco
2010-06-28 13:22 ` Warren
2010-06-29 8:42 ` Stephen Leake
2010-07-01 21:09 ` Per Sandberg
2010-08-21 3:53 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-08-21 9:22 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-08-21 10:10 ` Simon Wright
2010-08-22 0:16 ` Brian Drummond
2010-06-20 9:34 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-06-20 12:35 ` Peter C. Chapin
2010-06-20 17:44 ` Fritz Wuehler
2010-06-20 18:06 ` Ludovic Brenta [this message]
2010-06-20 21:13 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-21 0:29 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-06-21 1:14 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-06-21 8:10 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-24 0:04 ` BrianG
2010-06-28 13:37 ` Warren
2010-06-21 8:14 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-21 9:22 ` George Orwell
2010-06-21 13:59 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-08-21 4:28 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-08-21 9:21 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-08-21 11:06 ` Brian Drummond
2010-06-21 14:40 ` Warren
2010-06-21 17:38 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-06-21 20:04 ` Warren
2010-06-21 19:47 ` starwars
2010-06-21 20:07 ` Warren
2010-06-21 14:33 ` Warren
2010-06-21 14:29 ` Warren
2010-06-22 5:01 ` Fritz Wuehler
2010-08-21 4:11 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-08-21 9:01 ` Pascal Obry
2010-08-21 9:24 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-06-21 8:29 ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-21 9:58 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-06-23 15:36 ` Brian Drummond
2010-06-21 13:43 ` Warren
2010-06-22 15:00 ` Lucretia
2010-06-22 18:01 ` anon
2010-06-22 19:06 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-06-23 16:20 ` anon
2010-06-23 18:19 ` (see below)
2010-06-23 22:28 ` Brian Drummond
2010-06-23 19:57 ` Peter C. Chapin
2010-06-23 20:50 ` Adam Beneschan
2010-06-23 21:24 ` Robert A Duff
2010-06-29 20:30 ` Randy Brukardt
2010-06-29 20:35 ` Adam Beneschan
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2010-07-01 11:32 ` Stephen Leake
2010-06-23 21:33 ` Robert A Duff
2010-06-24 17:25 ` anon
2010-06-24 22:18 ` Adam Beneschan
2010-06-24 7:48 ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-24 17:24 ` anon
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2010-07-06 5:37 ` David Thompson
2010-07-06 11:14 ` anon
2010-07-09 13:21 ` Marco
2010-07-09 13:45 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-07-09 14:12 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-07-09 15:08 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-22 18:06 ` Phil Clayton
2010-06-22 20:25 ` Gautier write-only
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2010-06-23 7:17 ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-23 7:40 ` Gautier write-only
2010-06-23 11:17 ` Georg Bauhaus
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