* GNAT Programming System - Wow @ 2002-05-02 2:59 Steve Doiel 2002-05-02 17:13 ` Ted Dennison ` (6 more replies) 0 siblings, 7 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Steve Doiel @ 2002-05-02 2:59 UTC (permalink / raw) I just had a peek at the PDF file giving a detailed tour of GPS on http://www.gnat.com. This looks like it is going to be a very cool tool when it is available :-) SteveD ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT Programming System - Wow 2002-05-02 2:59 GNAT Programming System - Wow Steve Doiel @ 2002-05-02 17:13 ` Ted Dennison 2002-05-03 8:54 ` Robert Dewar 2002-05-02 18:28 ` martin.m.dowie ` (5 subsequent siblings) 6 siblings, 1 reply; 73+ messages in thread From: Ted Dennison @ 2002-05-02 17:13 UTC (permalink / raw) "Steve Doiel" <nospam_steved94@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<9Y1A8.25350$D%5.3478@sccrnsc01>... > I just had a peek at the PDF file giving a detailed tour of GPS on > http://www.gnat.com. This looks like it is going to be a very cool tool > when it is available :-) Pretty damn impressive all right. I particularly like the dancing penguin in the upper-right. I have to wonder what the reaction is going to be from the C/C++ community when this is publicly available. -- T.E.D. Home - mailto:dennison@telepath.com (Yahoo: Ted_Dennison) Homepage - http://www.telepath.com/dennison/Ted/TED.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT Programming System - Wow 2002-05-02 17:13 ` Ted Dennison @ 2002-05-03 8:54 ` Robert Dewar 2002-05-03 16:16 ` Darren New 2002-05-03 16:21 ` Ted Dennison 0 siblings, 2 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Robert Dewar @ 2002-05-03 8:54 UTC (permalink / raw) dennison@telepath.com (Ted Dennison) wrote in message news:<4519e058.0205020913.543dc9ac@posting.google.com>... > "Steve Doiel" <nospam_steved94@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<9Y1A8.25350$D%5.3478@sccrnsc01>... > Pretty damn impressive all right. I particularly like the dancing > penguin in the upper-right. Well I guess small things sometimes are wha people react to most :-) But I have to tell you that the penguin has already been replaced by a little animated gnat :-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT Programming System - Wow 2002-05-03 8:54 ` Robert Dewar @ 2002-05-03 16:16 ` Darren New 2002-05-03 16:21 ` Ted Dennison 1 sibling, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Darren New @ 2002-05-03 16:16 UTC (permalink / raw) Robert Dewar wrote: > But I have to tell you that the penguin has already been replaced by a little > animated gnat :-) Cool. And does it make a little high-pitched whine while it's compiling? -- Darren New San Diego, CA, USA (PST). Cryptokeys on demand. The 90/10 rule of toothpaste: the last 10% of the tube lasts as long as the first 90%. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT Programming System - Wow 2002-05-03 8:54 ` Robert Dewar 2002-05-03 16:16 ` Darren New @ 2002-05-03 16:21 ` Ted Dennison 2002-05-03 17:56 ` Georg Bauhaus 1 sibling, 1 reply; 73+ messages in thread From: Ted Dennison @ 2002-05-03 16:21 UTC (permalink / raw) Robert Dewar wrote: > dennison@telepath.com (Ted Dennison) wrote in message news:<4519e058.0205020913.543dc9ac@posting.google.com>... > > Well I guess small things sometimes are wha people react to most :-) > > But I have to tell you that the penguin has already been replaced by a little > animated gnat :-) ...but its a *cute* animated gnat, right? :-) That's probably a good decision. It did occur to me that a Tux-like is really more appropriate to Linux-only products. I thought perhaps gnats swarming around the penguin might be an improvement, but then it occurred to me that might imply a kind of stench, which isn't exactly a popular way to market a product. :-) Another wild thought: If ACT ever ends up putting out a web browser, you should name your mascot "Mothra". :-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT Programming System - Wow 2002-05-03 16:21 ` Ted Dennison @ 2002-05-03 17:56 ` Georg Bauhaus 0 siblings, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Georg Bauhaus @ 2002-05-03 17:56 UTC (permalink / raw) Ted Dennison <dennison@telepath.com> wrote: : Another wild thought: If ACT ever ends up putting out a web browser, you : should name your mascot "Mothra". :-) You mean the old Plan9 browser software of this name ? :-9 - georg ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT Programming System - Wow 2002-05-02 2:59 GNAT Programming System - Wow Steve Doiel 2002-05-02 17:13 ` Ted Dennison @ 2002-05-02 18:28 ` martin.m.dowie 2002-05-02 18:55 ` Florian Weimer 2002-05-02 22:00 ` Rod Chapman ` (4 subsequent siblings) 6 siblings, 1 reply; 73+ messages in thread From: martin.m.dowie @ 2002-05-02 18:28 UTC (permalink / raw) "Steve Doiel" <nospam_steved94@attbi.com> wrote in message news:9Y1A8.25350$D%5.3478@sccrnsc01... > I just had a peek at the PDF file giving a detailed tour of GPS on > http://www.gnat.com. This looks like it is going to be a very cool tool > when it is available :-) Is there anything to suggest that there will be a "public" version of GPS? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT Programming System - Wow 2002-05-02 18:28 ` martin.m.dowie @ 2002-05-02 18:55 ` Florian Weimer 0 siblings, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Florian Weimer @ 2002-05-02 18:55 UTC (permalink / raw) "martin.m.dowie" <martin.m.dowie@ntlworld.com> writes: > Is there anything to suggest that there will be a "public" version > of GPS? As far as I know, only the general commitment of ACT towards free software and the Ada community. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT Programming System - Wow 2002-05-02 2:59 GNAT Programming System - Wow Steve Doiel 2002-05-02 17:13 ` Ted Dennison 2002-05-02 18:28 ` martin.m.dowie @ 2002-05-02 22:00 ` Rod Chapman 2002-05-02 23:59 ` Larry Kilgallen 2002-05-03 1:16 ` Steve Doiel ` (3 subsequent siblings) 6 siblings, 1 reply; 73+ messages in thread From: Rod Chapman @ 2002-05-02 22:00 UTC (permalink / raw) I saw a demo of GPS yesterday given by ACT here at the STC show in Salt Lake. It is indeed very impressive. The support for big, multi-language projects looks particularly useful. I'm looking forward to adding a SPARK dialog and toolbar when I can get my hands on the release... :-) - Rod ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT Programming System - Wow 2002-05-02 22:00 ` Rod Chapman @ 2002-05-02 23:59 ` Larry Kilgallen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Larry Kilgallen @ 2002-05-02 23:59 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <ba18d5cb.0205021400.32390a24@posting.google.com>, rod@praxis-cs.co.uk (Rod Chapman) writes: > I saw a demo of GPS yesterday given by ACT here at the STC > show in Salt Lake. It is indeed very impressive. The support > for big, multi-language projects looks particularly useful. Does that mean you can add languages ? I thought it only did Ada and C*. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT Programming System - Wow 2002-05-02 2:59 GNAT Programming System - Wow Steve Doiel ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2002-05-02 22:00 ` Rod Chapman @ 2002-05-03 1:16 ` Steve Doiel 2002-05-03 3:12 ` Larry Kilgallen 2002-05-05 19:35 ` Per Sandbergs ` (2 subsequent siblings) 6 siblings, 1 reply; 73+ messages in thread From: Steve Doiel @ 2002-05-03 1:16 UTC (permalink / raw) I do however have one complaint (already). The name. Just go to google and try finding the IDE by searching fro GPS. SteveD ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT Programming System - Wow 2002-05-03 1:16 ` Steve Doiel @ 2002-05-03 3:12 ` Larry Kilgallen 2002-05-03 13:21 ` Marin David Condic 0 siblings, 1 reply; 73+ messages in thread From: Larry Kilgallen @ 2002-05-03 3:12 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <GxlA8.36691$D%5.6083@sccrnsc01>, "Steve Doiel" <nospam_steved94@attbi.com> writes: > I do however have one complaint (already). The name. Just go to google and > try finding the IDE by searching fro GPS. Yes, it certainly is the same as Montran's lastest bank transfer product. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT Programming System - Wow 2002-05-03 3:12 ` Larry Kilgallen @ 2002-05-03 13:21 ` Marin David Condic 2002-05-04 1:51 ` Robert Dewar 0 siblings, 1 reply; 73+ messages in thread From: Marin David Condic @ 2002-05-03 13:21 UTC (permalink / raw) From a marketing standpoint, its probably a mistake to name it after a popular satelite based navigation system. Maybe the acronym gets some instant name recognition, but people will be confused. It could also be misleading when people put on their resumes that they know all about GPS (the programming system) and have the headhunters calling with Global Positioning System jobs. Arguably, it is probably wise not to mention "Ada" in the name since there will be whole gobs of people who would instantly dismiss the tools as being ancient-history, anti-Ada bias, etc. Better to sneak that in after you get the foot in the door. MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message news:ujyL+eS6sFxY@eisner.encompasserve.org... > > Yes, it certainly is the same as Montran's lastest bank transfer product. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT Programming System - Wow 2002-05-03 13:21 ` Marin David Condic @ 2002-05-04 1:51 ` Robert Dewar 2002-05-06 15:48 ` Wes Groleau 0 siblings, 1 reply; 73+ messages in thread From: Robert Dewar @ 2002-05-04 1:51 UTC (permalink / raw) "Marin David Condic" <dont.bother.mcondic.auntie.spam@[acm.org> wrote in message news:<aau2tk$l51$1@nh.pace.co.uk>... > From a marketing standpoint, its probably a mistake to > name it after a popular satelite based navigation system. The name of the system is the GNAT Programming System. The informal acronym (which is not the official name of the product) does indeed have an interesting overloading, and if it gets people to argue about the name, that's OK with us :-) A lot of people presumed to advise us that GNAT was a bad choice from a marketing point of view, but it seems to have worked out pretty well :-) I would ask that if there are those who have nothing better to do with their time than argue over the name that they start a different thread. It will probably be more useful to more people if this thread concentrates on other perhaps more important aspects of the GNAT Programming System. P.S. The reason there is no Ada in the name is that this product is not Ada specific, it contains for example full browsing capabilities for C++. We see this as necessary for our Ada customers, many of whom are doing mixed language programming involving Ada, C and/or C++. Robert Dewar Ada Core Technologies And if Marin is worried about confusion on his resume, I definitely advise using the proper name of the product in this context, and not the informal acronym! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT Programming System - Wow 2002-05-04 1:51 ` Robert Dewar @ 2002-05-06 15:48 ` Wes Groleau 0 siblings, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Wes Groleau @ 2002-05-06 15:48 UTC (permalink / raw) > And if Marin is worried about confusion on his resume, I > definitely advise using the proper name of the product in > this context, and not the informal acronym! Or let it get you in the door, and then persuade them you're neither incompetent nor dishonest. :-) -- Wes Groleau http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~wgroleau ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT Programming System - Wow 2002-05-02 2:59 GNAT Programming System - Wow Steve Doiel ` (3 preceding siblings ...) 2002-05-03 1:16 ` Steve Doiel @ 2002-05-05 19:35 ` Per Sandbergs 2002-05-06 9:58 ` Preben Randhol 2002-05-07 7:47 ` GNAT Programming System - Wow Antonio Duran 2002-05-28 10:49 ` Martin Dowie 6 siblings, 1 reply; 73+ messages in thread From: Per Sandbergs @ 2002-05-05 19:35 UTC (permalink / raw) If this is what it looks like on the ads. (The .pdf presentations on ACT homepage), i would say: At last one decent programing environment for Ada is slowly emerging (after the Rational DELTA environment where ther only was two big drawbacks memory and CPU, at that time it took us at least 3 weeks of computer time to recompile our systems from scratch). The things I like are: * The projects that makes it easy to implement a component based development model (been using it for a while). * Ther are no propriary binary formats used. * The portability (The bulk of the code is written in Ada). * The look of the IDE that makes it possible to promote Ada as a language for people that are used to MS VC++ and look alikes. /Per Sandberg /Manager of Infrastructure& System Integrator & Toolsmith. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT Programming System - Wow 2002-05-05 19:35 ` Per Sandbergs @ 2002-05-06 9:58 ` Preben Randhol 2002-05-06 21:52 ` Robert Dewar 0 siblings, 1 reply; 73+ messages in thread From: Preben Randhol @ 2002-05-06 9:58 UTC (permalink / raw) On Sun, 5 May 2002 21:35:59 +0200, Per Sandbergs wrote: > The things I like are: > * The projects that makes it easy to implement a component based development > model (been using it for a while). > * Ther are no propriary binary formats used. > * The portability (The bulk of the code is written in Ada). > * The look of the IDE that makes it possible to promote Ada as a language > for people that are used to MS VC++ and look alikes. I'll add * Possibility to embed other editors Preben ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT Programming System - Wow 2002-05-06 9:58 ` Preben Randhol @ 2002-05-06 21:52 ` Robert Dewar 2002-05-07 10:11 ` Preben Randhol 0 siblings, 1 reply; 73+ messages in thread From: Robert Dewar @ 2002-05-06 21:52 UTC (permalink / raw) Preben Randhol <randhol+abuse@pvv.org> wrote in message news:<slrnadcku7.b7d.randhol+abuse@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no>... > * Possibility to embed other editors Note that this can mean one of two things. If you just want to use an editor to edit files, it is of course trivial to embed the editor in this sense. But if you want to embed an editor with full browsing capability, that is fully Ada semantic aware, that takes more work, and of course rquires an editor that is programmable so that it can read the necessary data. GPS will support its own embedded editor (that's the edior I use for most purposes these days), and EMACS. Those are the editors that we will fully support (in the deeper embedding with browsing etc) sense above. It is quite likely that others will embed other editors. One of the design points of GPS is that it is naturally open to such endeavors :-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT Programming System - Wow 2002-05-06 21:52 ` Robert Dewar @ 2002-05-07 10:11 ` Preben Randhol 2002-05-07 11:30 ` GPS - A new kind of IDE? John McCabe 0 siblings, 1 reply; 73+ messages in thread From: Preben Randhol @ 2002-05-07 10:11 UTC (permalink / raw) On 6 May 2002 14:52:43 -0700, Robert Dewar wrote: > > GPS will support its own embedded editor (that's the edior I use for > most purposes these days), and EMACS. Those are the editors that we > will fully support (in the deeper embedding with browsing etc) sense > above. It is quite likely that others will embed other editors. One > of the design points of GPS is that it is naturally open to such > endeavors :-) :-) I hope one can embed the GTK version of vim as it only said vi in the slides (there is a gtk widget of vim if I recall correctly) could be embedded even if not deep embedded. Depending on how GPS will be, perhaps it is possible to contribute some code for deeper binding of this too. :-) Preben ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-07 10:11 ` Preben Randhol @ 2002-05-07 11:30 ` John McCabe 2002-05-08 2:34 ` Robert Dewar ` (4 more replies) 0 siblings, 5 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: John McCabe @ 2002-05-07 11:30 UTC (permalink / raw) Is it? Actually looks brilliant to me, but I would question the 'new' statement - doesn't seem to be much in there that isn't available in other tools like Visual C++, ObjectAda etc. Possibly more by default, but... I also agree with someone else who suggested the possible confusion between GPS and GPS. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-07 11:30 ` GPS - A new kind of IDE? John McCabe @ 2002-05-08 2:34 ` Robert Dewar 2002-05-08 7:49 ` Martin Dowie ` (5 more replies) 2002-05-10 2:22 ` Richard Riehle ` (3 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 6 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Robert Dewar @ 2002-05-08 2:34 UTC (permalink / raw) john.mccabe@emrad.ns.com (John McCabe) wrote in message news:<3cd7b506.11293318@news.demon.co.uk>... > Is it? > > Actually looks brilliant to me, but I would question the > 'new' statement - doesn't seem to be much in there that > isn't available in other tools like Visual C++, ObjectAda > etc. Possibly more by default, but... Well one big difference between GPS and these other systems is that GPS is Free Software. If there ever was a case in which you want the sources available, because you may want to modify things, an IDE is such a case :-) We consider that this is a really very significant point. > I also agree with someone else who suggested the possible > confusion between GPS and GPS. Well so far, it seem to be helping spread the name recognition, which is the general idea :-) What could be better than people arguing over the name to create name recognition? If all the world divides up into those who think its confusing that GPS is called GPS, and those who don't think so, then all the world knows the name :-) :-) At least so far no one confused our Ada compiler with a little bug :-) Robert Dewar Ada Core Technologies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-08 2:34 ` Robert Dewar @ 2002-05-08 7:49 ` Martin Dowie 2002-05-08 10:40 ` Preben Randhol 2002-05-08 8:17 ` John McCabe ` (4 subsequent siblings) 5 siblings, 1 reply; 73+ messages in thread From: Martin Dowie @ 2002-05-08 7:49 UTC (permalink / raw) "Robert Dewar" <dewar@gnat.com> wrote in message news:5ee5b646.0205071834.3b5c959@posting.google.com... > Well one big difference between GPS and these other systems > is that GPS is Free Software. If there ever was a case in > which you want the sources available, because you may want > to modify things, an IDE is such a case :-) We consider > that this is a really very significant point. Any idea when we can get hold of these sources? Or the full blown public GPS for that matter? :-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-08 7:49 ` Martin Dowie @ 2002-05-08 10:40 ` Preben Randhol 0 siblings, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Preben Randhol @ 2002-05-08 10:40 UTC (permalink / raw) On Wed, 8 May 2002 08:49:11 +0100, Martin Dowie wrote: > Any idea when we can get hold of these sources? > Or the full blown public GPS for that matter? :-) I guess we should be patient until Q4 at least :-) Preben ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-08 2:34 ` Robert Dewar 2002-05-08 7:49 ` Martin Dowie @ 2002-05-08 8:17 ` John McCabe 2002-05-08 8:34 ` Martin Dowie 2002-05-08 13:59 ` Wes Groleau ` (3 subsequent siblings) 5 siblings, 1 reply; 73+ messages in thread From: John McCabe @ 2002-05-08 8:17 UTC (permalink / raw) On 7 May 2002 19:34:15 -0700, dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) wrote: >john.mccabe@emrad.ns.com (John McCabe) wrote in message news:<3cd7b506.11293318@news.demon.co.uk>... >> Is it? >> >> Actually looks brilliant to me, but I would question the >> 'new' statement - doesn't seem to be much in there that >> isn't available in other tools like Visual C++, ObjectAda >> etc. Possibly more by default, but... > >Well one big difference between GPS and these other systems >is that GPS is Free Software. What about KDevelop? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-08 8:17 ` John McCabe @ 2002-05-08 8:34 ` Martin Dowie 2002-05-08 10:57 ` Preben Randhol 0 siblings, 1 reply; 73+ messages in thread From: Martin Dowie @ 2002-05-08 8:34 UTC (permalink / raw) "John McCabe" <john.mccabe@emrad.ns.com> wrote in message news:3cd8df06.1732721@news.demon.co.uk... [snip] > >Well one big difference between GPS and these other systems > >is that GPS is Free Software. > > What about KDevelop? Unix-only :-( Looks lovely though!! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-08 8:34 ` Martin Dowie @ 2002-05-08 10:57 ` Preben Randhol 0 siblings, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Preben Randhol @ 2002-05-08 10:57 UTC (permalink / raw) On Wed, 8 May 2002 09:34:45 +0100, Martin Dowie wrote: > Unix-only :-( Also made in C++, for C/C++ development. Preben ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-08 2:34 ` Robert Dewar 2002-05-08 7:49 ` Martin Dowie 2002-05-08 8:17 ` John McCabe @ 2002-05-08 13:59 ` Wes Groleau 2002-05-08 20:42 ` OT:GNAT (Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE?) Toshitaka Kumano ` (2 subsequent siblings) 5 siblings, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Wes Groleau @ 2002-05-08 13:59 UTC (permalink / raw) > At least so far no one confused our Ada compiler with a > little bug :-) Or with lots of little bugs? (Kidding, folks--GNAT is a GREAT compiler) -- Wes Groleau http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~wgroleau ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* OT:GNAT (Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE?) 2002-05-08 2:34 ` Robert Dewar ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2002-05-08 13:59 ` Wes Groleau @ 2002-05-08 20:42 ` Toshitaka Kumano 2002-05-09 8:14 ` John McCabe 2002-05-09 14:06 ` GPS - A new kind of IDE? Mário Amado Alves 2002-05-09 14:06 ` Mário Amado Alves 5 siblings, 1 reply; 73+ messages in thread From: Toshitaka Kumano @ 2002-05-08 20:42 UTC (permalink / raw) Robert Dewar wrote: > At least so far no one confused our Ada compiler with a > little bug :-) I always wonder why the great compiler has such a misleading name :-) When I saw the name at first on 1994, I, as a programmer, thought it should be an acronym, irrelevant to insects. And how surprised I was when I found a cute bug fluttering on the brochure! # at Japan SIG Ada on 1996 if I remember correctly. Since then I, as a Japanese programmer, consider that the name might be a jokey one, OR that the English word "bug" should mean, if anything, Coleoptera like a ladybug, not Diptera like a gnat :-) Anyway, we may see many GNAT issues in *GNATS* after the release of GCC 3.1 :-) # ADA, GPS, GLADE, etc... We may need visibility rules here :-) -- Toshitaka Kumano ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: OT:GNAT (Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE?) 2002-05-08 20:42 ` OT:GNAT (Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE?) Toshitaka Kumano @ 2002-05-09 8:14 ` John McCabe 2002-05-09 8:26 ` Martin Dowie ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: John McCabe @ 2002-05-09 8:14 UTC (permalink / raw) On Thu, 09 May 2002 05:42:24 +0900, Toshitaka Kumano <kumano@cl.cilas.net> wrote: >When I saw the name at first on 1994, I, as a programmer, >thought it should be an acronym, irrelevant to insects. Err - it *is* an acronym, for GNU Ada Translator. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: OT:GNAT (Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE?) 2002-05-09 8:14 ` John McCabe @ 2002-05-09 8:26 ` Martin Dowie 2002-05-09 9:11 ` Florian Weimer 2002-05-09 13:44 ` Wes Groleau 2 siblings, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Martin Dowie @ 2002-05-09 8:26 UTC (permalink / raw) "John McCabe" <john.nospam@nospamassen.nospamdemon.co.uk> wrote in message news:3cda2fc8.1578790@news.demon.co.uk... > >When I saw the name at first on 1994, I, as a programmer, > >thought it should be an acronym, irrelevant to insects. > > Err - it *is* an acronym, for GNU Ada Translator. Isn't the story now that is *was* an acronym but doesn't stand for anything now? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: OT:GNAT (Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE?) 2002-05-09 8:14 ` John McCabe 2002-05-09 8:26 ` Martin Dowie @ 2002-05-09 9:11 ` Florian Weimer 2002-05-09 13:44 ` Wes Groleau 2 siblings, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Florian Weimer @ 2002-05-09 9:11 UTC (permalink / raw) john.nospam@nospamassen.nospamdemon.co.uk (John McCabe) writes: > On Thu, 09 May 2002 05:42:24 +0900, Toshitaka Kumano > <kumano@cl.cilas.net> wrote: > >>When I saw the name at first on 1994, I, as a programmer, >>thought it should be an acronym, irrelevant to insects. > > Err - it *is* an acronym, for GNU Ada Translator. Once upon a time, there was an Ada compiler called the GNU Ada Translater, but nowadays, GNAT is just GNAT. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: OT:GNAT (Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE?) 2002-05-09 8:14 ` John McCabe 2002-05-09 8:26 ` Martin Dowie 2002-05-09 9:11 ` Florian Weimer @ 2002-05-09 13:44 ` Wes Groleau 2002-05-09 14:45 ` John McCabe 2002-05-09 18:13 ` Preben Randhol 2 siblings, 2 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Wes Groleau @ 2002-05-09 13:44 UTC (permalink / raw) > >When I saw the name at first on 1994, I, as a programmer, > >thought it should be an acronym, irrelevant to insects. > > Err - it *is* an acronym, for GNU Ada Translator. Actually GNU NYU Ada Translator. G N A T but if the creators want to declare a new interpretation, I won't argue. -- Wes Groleau http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~wgroleau ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: OT:GNAT (Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE?) 2002-05-09 13:44 ` Wes Groleau @ 2002-05-09 14:45 ` John McCabe 2002-05-09 15:35 ` Pascal Obry 2002-05-09 18:13 ` Preben Randhol 1 sibling, 1 reply; 73+ messages in thread From: John McCabe @ 2002-05-09 14:45 UTC (permalink / raw) On Thu, 09 May 2002 08:44:40 -0500, Wes Groleau <wesgroleau@despammed.com> wrote: >> Err - it *is* an acronym, for GNU Ada Translator. >Actually GNU NYU Ada Translator. > G N A T Oops - of course. >but if the creators want to declare >a new interpretation, I won't argue. I wasn't aware that they had, but if that *is* the case then it's fair enough. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: OT:GNAT (Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE?) 2002-05-09 14:45 ` John McCabe @ 2002-05-09 15:35 ` Pascal Obry 2002-05-09 16:18 ` John McCabe 0 siblings, 1 reply; 73+ messages in thread From: Pascal Obry @ 2002-05-09 15:35 UTC (permalink / raw) john.nospam@nospamassen.nospamdemon.co.uk (John McCabe) writes: > I wasn't aware that they had, but if that *is* the case then it's fair > enough. The problem was with "Translator", a lot of peoples thought that GNAT translated Ada to C and then compile. This is wrong as everybody knows at this point. Pascal. -- --|------------------------------------------------------ --| Pascal Obry Team-Ada Member --| 45, rue Gabriel Peri - 78114 Magny Les Hameaux FRANCE --|------------------------------------------------------ --| http://perso.wanadoo.fr/pascal.obry --| "The best way to travel is by means of imagination" --| --| gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-key C1082595 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: OT:GNAT (Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE?) 2002-05-09 15:35 ` Pascal Obry @ 2002-05-09 16:18 ` John McCabe 0 siblings, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: John McCabe @ 2002-05-09 16:18 UTC (permalink / raw) On 09 May 2002 17:35:31 +0200, Pascal Obry <p.obry@wanadoo.fr> wrote: > >john.nospam@nospamassen.nospamdemon.co.uk (John McCabe) writes: > >> I wasn't aware that they had, but if that *is* the case then it's fair >> enough. > >The problem was with "Translator", a lot of peoples thought that GNAT >translated Ada to C and then compile. This is wrong as everybody knows at >this point. Yes - that was an *extremely* common misconception, even though it could have made some sense (well, for Ada83 I guess). I made it myself actually until I was put right. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: OT:GNAT (Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE?) 2002-05-09 13:44 ` Wes Groleau 2002-05-09 14:45 ` John McCabe @ 2002-05-09 18:13 ` Preben Randhol 1 sibling, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Preben Randhol @ 2002-05-09 18:13 UTC (permalink / raw) On Thu, 09 May 2002 08:44:40 -0500, Wes Groleau wrote: > > Actually GNU NYU Ada Translator. > G N A T > > but if the creators want to declare > a new interpretation, I won't argue. Perhaps it now is: GNAT Not A Translator G N A T It should also fulfil the recursiveness of GNU abbreviations ;-) Preben -- �There are three things you can do to a woman. You can love her, suffer for her, or turn her into literature.� - Justine, by Lawrence Durrell ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* RE: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-08 2:34 ` Robert Dewar ` (3 preceding siblings ...) 2002-05-08 20:42 ` OT:GNAT (Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE?) Toshitaka Kumano @ 2002-05-09 14:06 ` Mário Amado Alves 2002-05-09 14:06 ` Mário Amado Alves 5 siblings, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Mário Amado Alves @ 2002-05-09 14:06 UTC (permalink / raw) -----Original Message----- From: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org [mailto:comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org] On Behalf Of Robert Dewar Sent: quarta-feira, 8 de Maio de 2002 3:34 To: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org Subject: Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? john.mccabe@emrad.ns.com (John McCabe) wrote in message news:<3cd7b506.11293318@news.demon.co.uk>... > Is it? > > Actually looks brilliant to me, but I would question the > 'new' statement - doesn't seem to be much in there that > isn't available in other tools like Visual C++, ObjectAda > etc. Possibly more by default, but... Well one big difference between GPS and these other systems is that GPS is Free Software. If there ever was a case in which you want the sources available, because you may want to modify things, an IDE is such a case :-) We consider that this is a really very significant point. > I also agree with someone else who suggested the possible > confusion between GPS and GPS. Well so far, it seem to be helping spread the name recognition, which is the general idea :-) What could be better than people arguing over the name to create name recognition? If all the world divides up into those who think its confusing that GPS is called GPS, and those who don't think so, then all the world knows the name :-) :-) At least so far no one confused our Ada compiler with a little bug :-) Robert Dewar Ada Core Technologies _______________________________________________ comp.lang.ada mailing list comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org http://ada.eu.org/mailman/listinfo/comp.lang.ada ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* RE: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-08 2:34 ` Robert Dewar ` (4 preceding siblings ...) 2002-05-09 14:06 ` GPS - A new kind of IDE? Mário Amado Alves @ 2002-05-09 14:06 ` Mário Amado Alves 5 siblings, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Mário Amado Alves @ 2002-05-09 14:06 UTC (permalink / raw) -----Original Message----- From: comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org [mailto:comp.lang.ada-admin@ada.eu.org] On Behalf Of Robert Dewar Sent: quarta-feira, 8 de Maio de 2002 3:34 To: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org Subject: Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? john.mccabe@emrad.ns.com (John McCabe) wrote in message news:<3cd7b506.11293318@news.demon.co.uk>... > Is it? > > Actually looks brilliant to me, but I would question the > 'new' statement - doesn't seem to be much in there that > isn't available in other tools like Visual C++, ObjectAda > etc. Possibly more by default, but... Well one big difference between GPS and these other systems is that GPS is Free Software. If there ever was a case in which you want the sources available, because you may want to modify things, an IDE is such a case :-) We consider that this is a really very significant point. > I also agree with someone else who suggested the possible > confusion between GPS and GPS. Well so far, it seem to be helping spread the name recognition, which is the general idea :-) What could be better than people arguing over the name to create name recognition? If all the world divides up into those who think its confusing that GPS is called GPS, and those who don't think so, then all the world knows the name :-) :-) At least so far no one confused our Ada compiler with a little bug :-) Robert Dewar Ada Core Technologies _______________________________________________ comp.lang.ada mailing list comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org http://ada.eu.org/mailman/listinfo/comp.lang.ada ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-07 11:30 ` GPS - A new kind of IDE? John McCabe 2002-05-08 2:34 ` Robert Dewar @ 2002-05-10 2:22 ` Richard Riehle 2002-05-10 8:38 ` Preben Randhol ` (4 more replies) 2002-05-11 10:34 ` Florian Weimer ` (2 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 5 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Richard Riehle @ 2002-05-10 2:22 UTC (permalink / raw) John McCabe wrote: > I also agree with someone else who suggested the possible confusion > between GPS and GPS. Maybe it's not too late to change the name to GPE, for Gnat Programming Environment. I rather like that better, but it's obviously not my call. Richard Riehle ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-10 2:22 ` Richard Riehle @ 2002-05-10 8:38 ` Preben Randhol 2002-05-10 10:39 ` Peter Hermann ` (3 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Preben Randhol @ 2002-05-10 8:38 UTC (permalink / raw) On Thu, 09 May 2002 19:22:57 -0700, Richard Riehle wrote: > > Maybe it's not too late to change the name to GPE, for > Gnat Programming Environment. I rather like that better, > but it's obviously not my call. http://gpe.handhelds.org/index.shtml Preben -- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-10 2:22 ` Richard Riehle 2002-05-10 8:38 ` Preben Randhol @ 2002-05-10 10:39 ` Peter Hermann 2002-05-10 14:13 ` Stephen Leake 2002-05-10 15:46 ` Robert Dewar 2002-05-10 13:16 ` Robert Dewar ` (2 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 2 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Peter Hermann @ 2002-05-10 10:39 UTC (permalink / raw) Richard Riehle <richard@adaworks.com> wrote: > John McCabe wrote: >> I also agree with someone else who suggested the possible confusion >> between GPS and GPS. > Maybe it's not too late to change the name to GPE, for > Gnat Programming Environment. I rather like that better, > but it's obviously not my call. > Richard Riehle I strongly recommend to let GPS its well known original definition. It is also not pleasant to have e.g. several "GLIDE"s, "GLADE"s etc. and I would wonder about someone who called his product e.g "USA" or "LA" etc.. Even Ada does not allow to use its 69 keywords as ordinary identifiers ;-) -- --Peter Hermann(49)0711-685-3611 fax3758 ica2ph@csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de --Pfaffenwaldring 27 Raum 114, D-70569 Stuttgart Uni Computeranwendungen --http://www.csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de/homes/ph/ --Team Ada: "C'mon people let the world begin" (Paul McCartney) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-10 10:39 ` Peter Hermann @ 2002-05-10 14:13 ` Stephen Leake 2002-05-10 14:52 ` David C. Hoos 2002-05-10 15:46 ` Robert Dewar 1 sibling, 1 reply; 73+ messages in thread From: Stephen Leake @ 2002-05-10 14:13 UTC (permalink / raw) Peter Hermann <ica2ph@iris16.csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de> writes: > I strongly recommend to let GPS its well known original definition. Assuming you mean "Global Positioning Satellite", I think that is in a sufficiently different domain that overloading with "GNAT Programming System" is clear from context. There are only so many meaningful three letter acronyms! > It is also not pleasant to have e.g. several "GLIDE"s, "GLADE"s etc. I only know of one GLIDE, but I do know of two GLADEs; one is the GNAT distributed annex implementation, one the Gtk GUI builder. I agree these are from sufficiently similar domains that the overloading is sometimes confusing. > and I would wonder about someone who called his product e.g "USA" or > "LA" etc.. Even Ada does not allow to use its 69 keywords as > ordinary identifiers ;-) I like the name US Robotics, even if they don't make robots anymore :). Hmm, guess they got bought by 3Com. -- -- Stephe ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-10 14:13 ` Stephen Leake @ 2002-05-10 14:52 ` David C. Hoos 2002-05-10 15:48 ` Marin David Condic 2002-05-12 19:12 ` James Ross 0 siblings, 2 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: David C. Hoos @ 2002-05-10 14:52 UTC (permalink / raw) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Leake" <stephen.a.leake.1@gsfc.nasa.gov> Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada To: <comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 9:13 AM Subject: Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? > Peter Hermann <ica2ph@iris16.csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de> writes: > > > I strongly recommend to let GPS its well known original definition. > > Assuming you mean "Global Positioning Satellite", I think that is in a > sufficiently different domain that overloading with "GNAT Programming > System" is clear from context. There are only so many meaningful three > letter acronyms! > Well, maybe it's not so well-known -- GPS really means Global Positioning System. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-10 14:52 ` David C. Hoos @ 2002-05-10 15:48 ` Marin David Condic 2002-05-11 12:39 ` Robert Dewar 2002-05-12 19:12 ` James Ross 1 sibling, 1 reply; 73+ messages in thread From: Marin David Condic @ 2002-05-10 15:48 UTC (permalink / raw) "David C. Hoos" <david.c.hoos.sr@ada95.com> wrote in message news:mailman.1021042382.31524.comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Leake" <stephen.a.leake.1@gsfc.nasa.gov> > Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada > To: <comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org> > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 9:13 AM > Subject: Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? > > > > Peter Hermann <ica2ph@iris16.csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de> writes: > > > > > I strongly recommend to let GPS its well known original definition. > > > > Assuming you mean "Global Positioning Satellite", I think that is in a > > sufficiently different domain that overloading with "GNAT Programming > > System" is clear from context. There are only so many meaningful three > > letter acronyms! > > > Well, maybe it's not so well-known -- GPS really means > Global Positioning System. > And the domains aren't all that separate. Ada and GPS (the navigation thingie) are often coupled together. I worked with both Ada and GPS before there was an announcement of GPS, so GPS came before GPS and when GPS finally exists one might use GPS to program GPS... Go figure... :-) MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-10 15:48 ` Marin David Condic @ 2002-05-11 12:39 ` Robert Dewar 0 siblings, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Robert Dewar @ 2002-05-11 12:39 UTC (permalink / raw) "Marin David Condic" <dont.bother.mcondic.auntie.spam@[acm.org> wrote in message news:<abgq4f$pai$1@nh.pace.co.uk>... > and when GPS > finally exists one might use GPS to program GPS... Sounds like a reasonable proposition to me, and we are talking to one large customer who is planning to do exactly that :-) Now of course if a programmer clicks on an identifier to go to the declaration, and thinks that this is being achieved by communicating with satellites buzzing around the earth, *that* would be confusion :-) Meanwhile, for a product not even released yet, we seem to be getting quite a bit of name recognition from this discussion! Robert Dewar Ada Core Technologies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-10 14:52 ` David C. Hoos 2002-05-10 15:48 ` Marin David Condic @ 2002-05-12 19:12 ` James Ross 2002-05-12 21:21 ` Preben Randhol 1 sibling, 1 reply; 73+ messages in thread From: James Ross @ 2002-05-12 19:12 UTC (permalink / raw) On Fri, 10 May 2002 09:52:00 -0500, "David C. Hoos" <david.c.hoos.sr@ada95.com> wrote: >Well, maybe it's not so well-known -- GPS really means >Global Positioning System. Why should Global Positioning System have exclusive dibs on the acronym? According to http://www.acronymfinder.com GPS can mean any one of the following: Global Positioning System Galapagos Islands, Ecuador - Baltra (Airport Code) Gallons Per Second Gas Pressure Switch General Problem Solver General Purpose Segment General Purpose Separator (at CERN) Generalized Phase Shift Generalized Processor Sharing Geophysical Processor System Geophysical Products System German Philatelic Society Global Priority Service Global Product Support Go Pound Sand Graphical Programming Software Great Plains Software Ground Processing Station Groundwater Protection Strategy Guidance Power Supply Gunner's Primary Sight The Gap, Inc. (stock symbol) I Personally like General Problem Solver & Graphical Programming Software the best :-) JR ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-12 19:12 ` James Ross @ 2002-05-12 21:21 ` Preben Randhol 0 siblings, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Preben Randhol @ 2002-05-12 21:21 UTC (permalink / raw) On Sun, 12 May 2002 19:12:56 GMT, James Ross wrote: > > I Personally like General Problem Solver & Graphical Programming > Software the best :-) I bet somebody holds the software patents on those in the US too ? Preben ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-10 10:39 ` Peter Hermann 2002-05-10 14:13 ` Stephen Leake @ 2002-05-10 15:46 ` Robert Dewar 2002-05-10 16:04 ` Mário Amado Alves ` (2 more replies) 1 sibling, 3 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Robert Dewar @ 2002-05-10 15:46 UTC (permalink / raw) Peter Hermann <ica2ph@iris16.csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de> wrote in message news:<abg81p$341$1@news.uni-stuttgart.de>... > Richard Riehle <richard@adaworks.com> wrote: > to have e.g. several "GLIDE"s, "GLADE"s etc. > and I would wonder about someone who called his product > e.g "USA" > or "LA" etc.. How about someone who calls his product Ada = American Dental Association = Americans for Democratic Action = Americans with Disability Act And I am only including the very familiar uses of this name, there are many others. The third is fun, there is a nice poster with a big picture of Clinton, with the caption "I ask you to support ADA", unfortunately it is not our Ada. As for USA, to what are you referring? United Space Alliance The television network USA.NET, the ebusiness company Again, I only mention the very familiar uses (did I leave one out? :-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* RE: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-10 15:46 ` Robert Dewar @ 2002-05-10 16:04 ` Mário Amado Alves 2002-05-11 0:44 ` Richard Riehle 2002-05-14 9:07 ` John McCabe 2 siblings, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Mário Amado Alves @ 2002-05-10 16:04 UTC (permalink / raw) On names. ADA << . . . = American Dental Association = Americans for Democratic Action = Americans with Disability Act . . . >> (Dewar) = Ada Distributed Application :-) And I think "GPS" is fine for the system. Cheers, --MAA ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-10 15:46 ` Robert Dewar 2002-05-10 16:04 ` Mário Amado Alves @ 2002-05-11 0:44 ` Richard Riehle 2002-05-14 9:07 ` John McCabe 2 siblings, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Richard Riehle @ 2002-05-11 0:44 UTC (permalink / raw) Robert Dewar wrote: > As for USA, to what are you referring? > > United Space Alliance > The television network > USA.NET, the ebusiness company > > Again, I only mention the very familiar uses (did I > leave one out? :-) Union of South Africa? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-10 15:46 ` Robert Dewar 2002-05-10 16:04 ` Mário Amado Alves 2002-05-11 0:44 ` Richard Riehle @ 2002-05-14 9:07 ` John McCabe 2002-05-14 13:00 ` Larry Kilgallen 2 siblings, 1 reply; 73+ messages in thread From: John McCabe @ 2002-05-14 9:07 UTC (permalink / raw) On 10 May 2002 08:46:43 -0700, dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) wrote: >How about someone who calls his product Ada > >= American Dental Association >= Americans for Democratic Action >= Americans with Disability Act These are all acronyms though (ADA) rather than names (Ada). ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-14 9:07 ` John McCabe @ 2002-05-14 13:00 ` Larry Kilgallen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Larry Kilgallen @ 2002-05-14 13:00 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <3ce0d39d.4534910@news.demon.co.uk>, john.nospam@nospamassen.nospamdemon.co.uk (John McCabe) writes: > On 10 May 2002 08:46:43 -0700, dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) wrote: > >>How about someone who calls his product Ada >> >>= American Dental Association >>= Americans for Democratic Action >>= Americans with Disability Act > > These are all acronyms though (ADA) rather than names (Ada). There are advertisements for ADA programmers. Sometimes they mean Ada and sometimes they mean web designers who can make pages that comply with the Americans with Disabilities Act. There are also advertisements for VAX programmers that really mean Alpha VMS programmers. I am happy that Ada language processors are much less forgiving than English language processors. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-10 2:22 ` Richard Riehle 2002-05-10 8:38 ` Preben Randhol 2002-05-10 10:39 ` Peter Hermann @ 2002-05-10 13:16 ` Robert Dewar 2002-05-10 13:19 ` Robert Dewar 2002-05-10 13:22 ` Marin David Condic 4 siblings, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Robert Dewar @ 2002-05-10 13:16 UTC (permalink / raw) Richard Riehle <richard@adaworks.com> wrote in message news:<3CDB2F01.78B66E87@adaworks.com>... > John McCabe wrote: > > > I also agree with someone else who suggested the possible confusion > > between GPS and GPS. > > Maybe it's not too late to change the name to GPE, for > Gnat Programming Environment. I rather like that better, > but it's obviously not my call. Actually for us, it seems an unexpected benefit for people to be arguing about the name -- definitely very helpful ;-) We like the name, so it is likely to stay :-) Robert Dewar Ada Core Technologies ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-10 2:22 ` Richard Riehle ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2002-05-10 13:16 ` Robert Dewar @ 2002-05-10 13:19 ` Robert Dewar 2002-05-10 14:18 ` Stephen Leake 2002-05-10 13:22 ` Marin David Condic 4 siblings, 1 reply; 73+ messages in thread From: Robert Dewar @ 2002-05-10 13:19 UTC (permalink / raw) Richard Riehle <richard@adaworks.com> wrote in message news:<3CDB2F01.78B66E87@adaworks.com>... > Maybe it's not too late to change the name to GPE, for > Gnat Programming Environment. I rather like that better, > but it's obviously not my call. Just to keep people updated on the state of the software itself (which I suspect for most people is more interesting than the the name :-), we are progressing towards the next internal release, and will be commencing formal beta testing very shortly (we will be letting our customers know more details as the exact schedule is worked out). We still consider that things are on track for a release of the GNAT Programming System for GNAT Pro in the fourth quarter. Robert Dewar Ada Core Technologies P.S. I am in the process of switching from my OS/2 based environment to a GPS based environment, so I am getting to know and like this environment quite well :-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-10 13:19 ` Robert Dewar @ 2002-05-10 14:18 ` Stephen Leake 2002-05-10 15:18 ` Rajat Datta 2002-05-10 15:34 ` Arnaud Charlet 0 siblings, 2 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Stephen Leake @ 2002-05-10 14:18 UTC (permalink / raw) dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) writes: > Just to keep people updated on the state of the software itself > (which I suspect for most people is more interesting than the > the name :-), I'm certainly more interested in the software, but the name is all we have at the moment :). Here's a real question that was not answered by the pdf files: is there a scripting language in GPS? One of the best features of Emacs (my current favorite IDE) is that it provides a very powerful scripting language. Some would say that is also it's most intimidating feature. Perhaps a less powerful scripting language would be appropriate for GPS. At the very least, I want to be able to bind keys to predefined operations. Beyond that, I'd like user-defined keyboard macros, and simple scripted macros that call predefined operations. Beyond that, I'd like elisp, but possibly with a more Ada-like syntax :). Maybe TPU? -- -- Stephe ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-10 14:18 ` Stephen Leake @ 2002-05-10 15:18 ` Rajat Datta 2002-05-14 9:09 ` John McCabe 2002-05-10 15:34 ` Arnaud Charlet 1 sibling, 1 reply; 73+ messages in thread From: Rajat Datta @ 2002-05-10 15:18 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <uit5w2ijg.fsf@gsfc.nasa.gov>, Stephen Leake wrote: > At the very least, I want to be able to bind keys to predefined > operations. Beyond that, I'd like user-defined keyboard macros, and > simple scripted macros that call predefined operations. Beyond that, > I'd like elisp, but possibly with a more Ada-like syntax :). Maybe > TPU? Well, given--from what little we know--that the editor component is replaceable with emacs (which some of us die hard emacs users are very grateful for, since its keystroke combinations are by now hard-wired into our neurons), at least 95% of anything you do on an IDE will be configurable. rajat ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-10 15:18 ` Rajat Datta @ 2002-05-14 9:09 ` John McCabe 2002-05-14 14:16 ` Robert Dewar 2002-05-14 15:22 ` Ted Dennison 0 siblings, 2 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: John McCabe @ 2002-05-14 9:09 UTC (permalink / raw) On Fri, 10 May 2002 15:18:03 GMT, Rajat Datta <rajat@austin.rr.com> wrote: >Well, given--from what little we know--that the editor component is >replaceable with emacs But will you lose any functionality by using Emacs instead of the integral editor? E.g, with Visual C++ you can use Emacs, but you lose tons of the functionality unless you start running VisEmacs with it. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-14 9:09 ` John McCabe @ 2002-05-14 14:16 ` Robert Dewar 2002-05-14 16:24 ` John McCabe 2002-05-14 15:22 ` Ted Dennison 1 sibling, 1 reply; 73+ messages in thread From: Robert Dewar @ 2002-05-14 14:16 UTC (permalink / raw) john.nospam@nospamassen.nospamdemon.co.uk (John McCabe) wrote in message news:<3ce0d415.4655263@news.demon.co.uk>... > On Fri, 10 May 2002 15:18:03 GMT, Rajat Datta <rajat@austin.rr.com> > wrote: > > >Well, given--from what little we know--that the editor component is > >replaceable with emacs > > But will you lose any functionality by using Emacs instead of the > integral editor? E.g, with Visual C++ you can use Emacs, but you lose > tons of the functionality unless you start running VisEmacs with it. Given that GPS is intended as a major upgrade for current GLIDE users, who of course are used to EMACS, I think you can safely assume the answer to this one. The architecture is quite open and can support multiple editors with full functionality. The trouble with Visual C++ is that it is a closed architecture, so of course it is much harder to integrate other editors fully. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-14 14:16 ` Robert Dewar @ 2002-05-14 16:24 ` John McCabe 0 siblings, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: John McCabe @ 2002-05-14 16:24 UTC (permalink / raw) On 14 May 2002 07:16:14 -0700, dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) wrote: >john.nospam@nospamassen.nospamdemon.co.uk (John McCabe) wrote in message news:<3ce0d415.4655263@news.demon.co.uk>... >> On Fri, 10 May 2002 15:18:03 GMT, Rajat Datta <rajat@austin.rr.com> >> wrote: >> >> >Well, given--from what little we know--that the editor component is >> >replaceable with emacs >> >> But will you lose any functionality by using Emacs instead of the >> integral editor? E.g, with Visual C++ you can use Emacs, but you lose >> tons of the functionality unless you start running VisEmacs with it. > >Given that GPS is intended as a major upgrade for current GLIDE users, >who of course are used to EMACS, I think you can safely assume the >answer to this one. I don't like to assume anything :-) but if I can assume that setting breakpoints in the debugger etc from Emacs is supported, and jumping to error line then I would be very happy. >The architecture is quite open and can support >multiple editors with full functionality. The trouble with Visual C++ >is that it is a closed architecture, so of course it is much harder >to integrate other editors fully. This is very true. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-14 9:09 ` John McCabe 2002-05-14 14:16 ` Robert Dewar @ 2002-05-14 15:22 ` Ted Dennison 1 sibling, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Ted Dennison @ 2002-05-14 15:22 UTC (permalink / raw) john.nospam@nospamassen.nospamdemon.co.uk (John McCabe) wrote in message news:<3ce0d415.4655263@news.demon.co.uk>... > On Fri, 10 May 2002 15:18:03 GMT, Rajat Datta <rajat@austin.rr.com> > wrote: > > >Well, given--from what little we know--that the editor component is > >replaceable with emacs > > But will you lose any functionality by using Emacs instead of the > integral editor? E.g, with Visual C++ you can use Emacs, but you lose > tons of the functionality unless you start running VisEmacs with it. From what I read in the slides, Emacs is integrated, as is the default editor. If you use any other editor, the level of integration (past simply being invoked) is nil. But since the sources are available, you can change that (assuming your editor cooperates). As for Emacs *really* being integrated as well as the default editor, I'll wait and see. -- T.E.D. Home - mailto:dennison@telepath.com (Yahoo: Ted_Dennison) Homepage - http://www.telepath.com/dennison/Ted/TED.html (down) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-10 14:18 ` Stephen Leake 2002-05-10 15:18 ` Rajat Datta @ 2002-05-10 15:34 ` Arnaud Charlet 2002-05-10 16:32 ` Preben Randhol 1 sibling, 1 reply; 73+ messages in thread From: Arnaud Charlet @ 2002-05-10 15:34 UTC (permalink / raw) > Here's a real question that was not answered by the pdf files: is > there a scripting language in GPS? One of the best features of Emacs > (my current favorite IDE) is that it provides a very powerful > scripting language. Some would say that is also it's most intimidating > feature. Perhaps a less powerful scripting language would be > appropriate for GPS. Right, that's what is planned. Currently you can easily change colors, fonts, define key bindings, add menu items. The next step will be to have a GPS shell where you have access to all the GPS high level capabilities, and that every module could have access to, including external processes. This won't be quite as powerful as elisp, but I believe that in practice, this will be enough, and less frightening. And if that's still not enough, as Robert said, there's always the possibility to write Ada code to enhance GPS. Arno ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-10 15:34 ` Arnaud Charlet @ 2002-05-10 16:32 ` Preben Randhol 0 siblings, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Preben Randhol @ 2002-05-10 16:32 UTC (permalink / raw) On Fri, 10 May 2002 17:34:18 +0200, Arnaud Charlet wrote: > The next step will be to have a GPS shell where you have access to all > the GPS high level capabilities, and that every module could have > access to, including external processes. This won't be quite as > powerful as elisp, but I believe that in practice, this will be > enough, and less frightening. And if that's still not enough, as > Robert said, there's always the possibility to write Ada code to > enhance GPS. Will it be something like BUSH ? Preben -- Preben Randhol ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-10 2:22 ` Richard Riehle ` (3 preceding siblings ...) 2002-05-10 13:19 ` Robert Dewar @ 2002-05-10 13:22 ` Marin David Condic 2002-05-13 14:56 ` Ted Dennison 4 siblings, 1 reply; 73+ messages in thread From: Marin David Condic @ 2002-05-10 13:22 UTC (permalink / raw) I looked over the tour of GPS and was suitably whelmed. This is the sort of thing that Ada needs to have available. (Which obviously leads to the question of if/when it will be available to the general public - or, more precisely, mere mortals who can't afford ACT support contracts. :-) It looks incredibly spiffy and really fills a major gap that has existed between Ada and other languages. But I'd have to agree that (while name recognition is nice) colliding names with a popular navigation system (especially given the context in which Ada has traditionally been a big deal) is likely to lead to confusion. It is most likely to cause trouble with web searches. ("Hey I heard these guys talking about something called 'GPS' on this newsgroup and they seemed to be thrilled about it. Gee... I wonder if I can find out more about it from Google???") Or in word-of-mouth communication (Think of the overheard conversation where someone goes "Oh yeah. I know all about that thing 'GPS' they're talking about. I don't need to investigate further." I once had a headhunter presume that "Adabas" had something to do with "Ada" on my resume and clearly she didn't know what she was talking about, but kept sending inquiries anyway.) That's my $0.02 worth of input on it, but as you observe, that's not our call. But if a dozen people tell you that you look sick, maybe you need to lie down and rest a while no matter how good you feel? :-) MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com "Richard Riehle" <richard@adaworks.com> wrote in message news:3CDB2F01.78B66E87@adaworks.com... > > Maybe it's not too late to change the name to GPE, for > Gnat Programming Environment. I rather like that better, > but it's obviously not my call. > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-10 13:22 ` Marin David Condic @ 2002-05-13 14:56 ` Ted Dennison 0 siblings, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Ted Dennison @ 2002-05-13 14:56 UTC (permalink / raw) "Marin David Condic" <dont.bother.mcondic.auntie.spam@[acm.org> wrote in message news:<abghjk$l3v$1@nh.pace.co.uk>... > I looked over the tour of GPS and was suitably whelmed. This is the sort of > thing that Ada needs to have available. (Which obviously leads to the More to the point, it is the sort of thing that Linux and the Free Software world needs in general (it does C++ too), and it just happens to be written in Ada. *That* is precicely the sort of thing that Ada needs. :-) Bravo ACT. -- T.E.D. Home - mailto:dennison@telepath.com (Yahoo: Ted_Dennison) Homepage - http://www.telepath.com/dennison/Ted/TED.html (down) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-07 11:30 ` GPS - A new kind of IDE? John McCabe 2002-05-08 2:34 ` Robert Dewar 2002-05-10 2:22 ` Richard Riehle @ 2002-05-11 10:34 ` Florian Weimer 2002-05-11 10:34 ` Florian Weimer 2002-05-13 13:06 ` Georg Bauhaus 4 siblings, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Florian Weimer @ 2002-05-11 10:34 UTC (permalink / raw) john.mccabe@emrad.ns.com (John McCabe) writes: > I also agree with someone else who suggested the possible confusion > between GPS and GPS. In Germany, there is also also "Burda gps", a registrated trademark covering computer programs, a pending registration of "A-GPS" (probably a computer program, too), a registred trademark "GPS" (covering "creation of computer programs"), "GPS SoftwareAtlas" (similar), "GPS" (for "programming services", "GPS" means "Gesellschaft f�r Gesch�ftsproze�-Software"). These are all registrations related to computer programs, so you better shouldn't call the GNAT Programming System "GPS" on a web page. I'd be surprised if the trademark situation would be different in the United States. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-07 11:30 ` GPS - A new kind of IDE? John McCabe ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2002-05-11 10:34 ` Florian Weimer @ 2002-05-11 10:34 ` Florian Weimer 2002-05-13 13:06 ` Georg Bauhaus 4 siblings, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Florian Weimer @ 2002-05-11 10:34 UTC (permalink / raw) john.mccabe@emrad.ns.com (John McCabe) writes: > I also agree with someone else who suggested the possible confusion > between GPS and GPS. In Germany, there is also also "Burda gps", a registrated trademark covering computer programs, a pending registration of "A-GPS" (probably a computer program, too), a registred trademark "GPS" (covering "creation of computer programs"), "GPS SoftwareAtlas" (similar), "GPS" (for "programming services", "GPS" means "Gesellschaft f�r Gesch�ftsproze�-Software"). These are all registrations related to computer programs, so you better shouldn't call the GNAT Programming System "GPS" on a web page. I'd be surprised if the trademark situation was different in the United States. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-07 11:30 ` GPS - A new kind of IDE? John McCabe ` (3 preceding siblings ...) 2002-05-11 10:34 ` Florian Weimer @ 2002-05-13 13:06 ` Georg Bauhaus 2002-05-14 15:31 ` Ted Dennison 4 siblings, 1 reply; 73+ messages in thread From: Georg Bauhaus @ 2002-05-13 13:06 UTC (permalink / raw) John McCabe <john.mccabe@emrad.ns.com> wrote: : : I also agree with someone else who suggested the possible confusion : between GPS and GPS. Could we pronounce GPS "gypsy"? -- Georg ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GPS - A new kind of IDE? 2002-05-13 13:06 ` Georg Bauhaus @ 2002-05-14 15:31 ` Ted Dennison 0 siblings, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Ted Dennison @ 2002-05-14 15:31 UTC (permalink / raw) Georg Bauhaus <sb463ba@l1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de> wrote in message news:<abodo0$9s$2@a1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de>... > John McCabe <john.mccabe@emrad.ns.com> wrote: > : > : I also agree with someone else who suggested the possible confusion > : between GPS and GPS. > > Could we pronounce GPS "gypsy"? That's interesting. Whereas gnats are notorious for just being annoying, gypsy moths are a downright menace. :-) (reference - http://www.fs.fed.us/ne/morgantown/4557/gmoth/ ) -- T.E.D. Home - mailto:dennison@telepath.com (Yahoo: Ted_Dennison) Homepage - http://www.telepath.com/dennison/Ted/TED.html (down) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT Programming System - Wow 2002-05-02 2:59 GNAT Programming System - Wow Steve Doiel ` (4 preceding siblings ...) 2002-05-05 19:35 ` Per Sandbergs @ 2002-05-07 7:47 ` Antonio Duran 2002-05-28 10:49 ` Martin Dowie 6 siblings, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Antonio Duran @ 2002-05-07 7:47 UTC (permalink / raw) "Steve Doiel" <nospam_steved94@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<9Y1A8.25350$D%5.3478@sccrnsc01>... > I just had a peek at the PDF file giving a detailed tour of GPS on > http://www.gnat.com. This looks like it is going to be a very cool tool > when it is available :-) > > SteveD In the late 80s I was involved in the development of the NATO APSE, so despite of the time passed I'm still interested in APSEs. I guess GPS will be an APSE in the full definition of the term. But, is there any KAPSE below it?. I don't mind things like CAIS or PCTE with a node model but a set of public API's that allow new or third party tools to be easily integrated in that environment. Antonio Dur�n ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT Programming System - Wow 2002-05-02 2:59 GNAT Programming System - Wow Steve Doiel ` (5 preceding siblings ...) 2002-05-07 7:47 ` GNAT Programming System - Wow Antonio Duran @ 2002-05-28 10:49 ` Martin Dowie 2002-05-28 12:15 ` Preben Randhol 2002-05-28 13:09 ` Sergey I. Rybin 6 siblings, 2 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Martin Dowie @ 2002-05-28 10:49 UTC (permalink / raw) "Steve Doiel" <nospam_steved94@attbi.com> wrote in message news:9Y1A8.25350$D%5.3478@sccrnsc01... > I just had a peek at the PDF file giving a detailed tour of GPS on > http://www.gnat.com. This looks like it is going to be a very cool tool > when it is available :-) What is "GNSA"? as mentioned in the 90k SLOC lines under "GPS Architecture" on slide 9 of the short tour. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT Programming System - Wow 2002-05-28 10:49 ` Martin Dowie @ 2002-05-28 12:15 ` Preben Randhol 2002-05-28 13:09 ` Sergey I. Rybin 1 sibling, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: Preben Randhol @ 2002-05-28 12:15 UTC (permalink / raw) On Tue, 28 May 2002 11:49:20 +0100, Martin Dowie wrote: > > What is "GNSA"? as mentioned in the 90k SLOC lines under > "GPS Architecture" on slide 9 of the short tour. Just guessing: Gnat Navigation System Architecture ? I see there is a unit for Navigation. Perhaps it is the classbrowser ++ ? Preben ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT Programming System - Wow 2002-05-28 10:49 ` Martin Dowie 2002-05-28 12:15 ` Preben Randhol @ 2002-05-28 13:09 ` Sergey I. Rybin 2002-05-29 8:36 ` John McCabe 1 sibling, 1 reply; 73+ messages in thread From: Sergey I. Rybin @ 2002-05-28 13:09 UTC (permalink / raw) > What is "GNSA"? as mentioned in the 90k SLOC lines under GNSA is GNat Semantic Analyzer. Roughly speaking, it is a GNAT front-end which can easily be built from sources, which has the command line interface very similar to GNAT interface and which can be used as a semantic checker for Ada units (and as a means to create the tree files to be used by ASIS and ASIS applications) Sergey Rybin ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT Programming System - Wow 2002-05-28 13:09 ` Sergey I. Rybin @ 2002-05-29 8:36 ` John McCabe 0 siblings, 0 replies; 73+ messages in thread From: John McCabe @ 2002-05-29 8:36 UTC (permalink / raw) On Tue, 28 May 2002 17:09:56 +0400, "Sergey I. Rybin" <rybin@gnat.com> wrote: >> What is "GNSA"? as mentioned in the 90k SLOC lines under > >GNSA is GNat Semantic Analyzer. Roughly speaking, it is a GNAT >front-end which can easily be built from sources, which has the >command line interface very similar to GNAT interface and which can be >used as a semantic checker for Ada units (and as a means to create >the tree files to be used by ASIS and ASIS applications) So how would one pronounce GNSA? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 73+ messages in thread
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