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From: Ludovic Brenta <ludovic@ludovic-brenta.org>
Subject: Re: Why no socket package in the standard ?
Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 23:57:48 +0200
Date: 2011-05-24T23:57:48+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8762ozahib.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: op.vvz4zgm2ule2fv@douda-yannick

"Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)" <yannick_duchene@yahoo.fr> writes:
> Le Tue, 24 May 2011 21:54:13 +0200, Ludovic Brenta
> <ludovic@ludovic-brenta.org> a écrit:
>> Wrong. http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Ada_Programming/Platform/POSIX says:
>>
>> "POSIX.5 is an IEEE (IEEE Standard 1003.5b-1996) and ISO (ISO/IEC
>> 14519:2001) standard defining an Ada interface to the POSIX system
>> calls."
> Yes. I did not say there is not standard POSIX Ada, I instead said
> POSIX Ada is not part of the Ada standard.

That's because making POSIX part of Ada would restrict Ada to working
only on POSIX targets.

>> Oh, and I think I did mention GNAT.Sockets.  So what are people
>> complaining about, again?
> GNAT specific, that's a big enough point [...]

OK.

So, what you're complaining about is that sockets are not part of Ada.
Thay are not.  Furthermore, they cannot be part of Ada or any other
general-purpose language definition because (a) general-purpose
languages must work on targets that do not have sockets and (b)
mandating that the language provide sockets on targets that don't have
them is a bad idea.  Therefore, sockets must be in an optional,
target-specific library; preferably one with a standard interface.
That's what POSIX.5 is.  Ada with POSIX.5 is in this respect in a better
position than all other languages mentioned in this thread, i.e. it has
good, official standards for both the language and the socket interface.

And if you're so keen on standards, why are you still using a
non-standard, proprietary operating system?

-- 
Ludovic Brenta.



  reply	other threads:[~2011-05-24 21:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-24  1:22 Why no socket package in the standard ? Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24  1:39 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24  6:11   ` tmoran
2011-05-24 17:23     ` Pascal Obry
2011-05-24 19:10     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-25 15:12     ` Tero Koskinen
2011-05-25 18:43       ` Tero Koskinen
2011-05-25 19:08         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24  6:24 ` georg bauhaus
2011-05-24  7:07   ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-05-24  7:19     ` Thomas Løcke
2011-05-24  7:35       ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-24 10:00       ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-24 12:53         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-24 14:28           ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-24 14:59             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-24 16:07               ` Adam Beneschan
2011-05-24 19:21                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-25  0:53                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-25  0:21                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-25 11:25                   ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-05-24 16:10               ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-24 19:36                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-25  0:57               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 23:20             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-25  0:32               ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-25  0:49                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-25  7:55                 ` Pascal Obry
2011-05-25  8:38                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-25  8:05                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-25  7:52               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-24 19:38         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 19:54           ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-24 20:10             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 21:57               ` Ludovic Brenta [this message]
2011-05-24 22:35                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 23:34                   ` Adam Beneschan
2011-05-24 23:40                     ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-24 23:50                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 23:35                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-25  3:07                     ` Shark8
2011-05-25  4:01                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-25  7:39                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-25  7:42                         ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-25 10:46                           ` Manuel Collado
2011-05-25 10:44                         ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-05-25 15:28                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-25 16:36                             ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-25 16:46                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-26 12:10                               ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-05-26 12:42                                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-26 14:36                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-26 15:56                                     ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-26 18:20                                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-05-26 18:29                                     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-26 20:46                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-26 21:02                                         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-26 21:44                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-26 21:59                                         ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-27  7:54                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-27 13:12                                           ` Simon Wright
2011-05-27 15:43                                             ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-26 18:31                                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2011-05-26 19:05                                       ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-26 19:14                                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-26 19:44                                         ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-27  2:02                                       ` anon
2011-05-27 11:44                                     ` Stephen Leake
2011-05-26 14:50                               ` Adam Beneschan
2011-05-26 15:57                                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-27 11:46                                   ` Stephen Leake
2011-05-27 12:21                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-27 12:49                                       ` Make, Automake, Configure, Autocong, GPRbuild etc (was: Why no socket package in the standard ?) Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-27 13:10                                         ` Make, Automake, Configure, Autocong, GPRbuild etc Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-27 15:45                                           ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-25  7:40                       ` Why no socket package in the standard ? Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-25 10:48                         ` Pascal Obry
2011-05-25  7:49                       ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-25  2:47             ` Shark8
2011-05-25  9:12             ` Thomas Løcke
2011-05-24 21:42           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 23:09           ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-24 23:25             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-25  9:06             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-24 23:11           ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-24 23:28             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 23:57               ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-25  0:36                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24  7:25     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-24 21:22       ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-05-25  9:14         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-25 11:54           ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-05-25 12:26             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-24 22:04       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-25  9:19         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-24 19:17   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 19:30     ` J-P. Rosen
2011-05-24 19:49       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 22:39     ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-24 22:54       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 23:54         ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-25  0:34           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-25  1:20             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 12:38 ` AdaMagica
2011-05-24 15:00   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 18:29 ` anon
2011-05-24 19:08   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-06-02  2:41 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-06-02 13:55   ` Florian Weimer
2011-06-02 20:38     ` anon
2011-06-02 20:44       ` Florian Weimer
2011-06-02 21:18       ` J-P. Rosen
2011-06-04 21:35         ` anon
2011-06-05  8:39           ` J-P. Rosen
2011-06-07  1:50             ` anon
2011-06-02 21:34     ` Randy Brukardt
2011-06-05 11:06       ` Florian Weimer
2011-06-05 13:45         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-06-05 14:51           ` Florian Weimer
2011-06-05 15:30             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-06-07  2:49             ` Randy Brukardt
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